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gonzaw
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On June 13 2012 17:16 BrownBear wrote: damn gonzaw. I'm impressed. Also I'm glad you reread my posts and came to a better conclusion  I can still post the "halfway-there" case I have of you if you want  | ||
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On June 13 2012 17:20 BrownBear wrote: Actually, I'm curious. What have you seen from me that appears scummy? Your stance on the RNG bit seemed too "safe". You just spouted "pro-town" stuff (that RNG is bad, that policy lynching Ace is bad), but didn't actually take place in the discussion, or tried another alternative to it (at least until your "spark discussion" post). Then your vote on Palmar only based on the RNG bit, but not his overall behaviour (and it seemed you were rushing to vote, like you were desperately wanting to avoid getting modkilled or something). Then you shitting on Palmar based on his explanation for the RNG bit, but you never addressing things that were happening in the thread by then. You apologizing for not being active You saying you'd spend the night reading the thread and come to a conclusion but once the night ended you never did. (yes, I reread the part about you not having an internet connection between your "spark" post and your later ones, my bad for not reading carefully >_> ) Meh, I could actually post the case but it would be pointless, and only clutter, so I'll just save it for when I change my mind about you | ||
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gonzaw
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 Which games was Radfield scum in? Arkham Asylum? Anyone else? Yes, I have to agree that his interaction with Ace before he was shot seemed odd, but like I said I thought his behaviour was town-like in late-D1 and early-N1. I guess it could still mean he was SK though (although if he was him going against Ace and Ace dying are unrelated...unless he shot Ace as SK and scum shot him/didn't shoot) On June 13 2012 17:34 BrownBear wrote: Regarding the whole "you're taking too long to come to a conclusion" thing, we still have something like 36 hours before the deadline. I think we have time. However, question: considering that barely half the game has posted this cycle, why are you continuing to point out my tardiness? It's what I was asking you about earlier. You said you'd have a "clearer picture" after spending the night reading. That's a promise you made, and a promise you broke. Not only that, but it's a "broken promise" scum love to make, they say "I'll spend this whole night/day rereading and then I'll come up with something" and then they just lurk away until they are called out. | ||
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On June 13 2012 17:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Gonzaw I want you, someone who isn't Radfield but thinks Radfield is town, to go point to where you think Radfield is doing a good job of analyzing the game and coming to logical conclusions about the gamestate and deciding who he believes is scum please. Also, please point out any instances where Radfield "applies pressure" to someone in the game, to try and get a read of them. And finally, if you could highlight any points where you feel he's doing a splendid job of establishing his townieness to the class, that would just be super fantastic. Okay. I'll go through the effort mostly because I want Hesmyrr lynched, and hopefully I can convince you to follow that lead instead of Radfield (I'll spoiler it though so it doesn't clog up too much) + Show Spoiler [Why I think Rad is town] + On June 10 2012 08:23 Radfield wrote: Hizzah! No setup to talk about! No roles to direct! Nothing but cold hard calculation...! No medic and no ability to confirm townies means that every player needs to actually play, and establish themselves. No spamming, no coasting, etc. Given that, lets lynch into the players who are most difficult to find and the players with the best scum play. In this case that's ace and.... uhmmm.... well, just Ace I suppose Seems like a good policy to me! On June 10 2012 08:25 Radfield wrote: In other news we could RNG a lynch. Ace, Palmar! GOGOGO! In just his first few posts, the tone of his posts seem playful, and eager to start the game (I didn't see this tone of his post diminish later in the game either). Scum don't post like this as soon as the game starts, they are not eager to start conversation and interact with others at all, the most the day draws on the better for them. At most scum start posting at the start of D1 to just make a plan or a standard post about policy lynches, or about being active and not lurking and that regular "pro-town" stuff. VE also immediately catches him about something, and he just plays it non-chalantly with a joke. One could expect that someone already "going against him" at the beginning of the game would make him drop off that "cheerful" facade of his, but he doesn't On June 12 2012 06:15 Radfield wrote: Ace, do you actually think lynching Palmar is the best play today? So far I see very little alarming about his play, the biggest thing being his deliberate stretch on Brownbear: Other than that he looks decent. Here pressuring Ace about Palmar like I'd expect him to do as town On June 12 2012 06:31 Radfield wrote: I'm considering it, but his demeanor is very unscumlike. That being said I think he has the ability to put up excellent defenses as scum when his back is against the wall. He had me second guessing myself in PYP:Int, and I basically had a red check on him. He doesn't have anything expressly super-townie in his posts, but his overall in your face/antagonistic playstyle doesn't seem forced or fake. It seems like he doesn't really give a crap, which is a townie trait. THAT being said, some of his posts raise flags(his early posts+ the VE post), but not really enough for me to want to lynch him. I'm also realizing that it doesn't make particular sense to lynch you Day 1 either, as your town play tend to stand out, and you'll get significantly easier to read as the game goes on. It hinges on me finding another candidate though Here he's making some sense about MZ, although he is wishy-washy and does end up voting him. He also doesn't jump on the case against you and doesn't want you lynched, which was a pro-town move to make at that time. On June 12 2012 06:46 Radfield wrote: Rest assured, If you're still the scummiest player after I finish filtering, I will push you Happy You're right though, he really only been 'in your face' with Palmar, but that doesn't make it look like a show. Can you lay out for me in a clear and concise format why you think MZ is the best lynch today? Again same cheerful/playful/eager to play tone in his post from earlier On June 12 2012 06:58 Radfield wrote: Chaoser, I don't really see the Greymist case right now. I certainly don't see much wrong with his response to the Vanilla Town thing. What specifically do you see as the reasons for voting Grey? For instance, he doesn't jump on the Grey case...even though I would have fully supported him if he had done it at that point >_> On June 12 2012 07:49 Radfield wrote: I don't know why I wrote it like that. It's obviously a contradiction like 7 minutes apart and pretty much wraps up my opinion of Meapak. I still lean that it was not necessarily a straight up scummy thing to do, but it obviously has scummy elements to it. I think the honest reason is that I wanted(and want) an alternative to a MZ lynch. I don't see it happening though. I guess him wanting an alternative to a MZ lynch makes him look better (although no that much) On June 12 2012 19:17 Radfield wrote: There's the Ace we know and love. You can't shoot me though, I'm bulletproof. I like how when you are scum you find something someone has done and then just spin it as scummy like crazy. Look for an entire body of evidence.. nahh. I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. This doesn't seem the reaction I'd expect from a scum that was already found out by Ace | ||
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gonzaw
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On June 13 2012 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Also Wiggles towntold Gonzaw, back up off him. I'll leave him alive today based on what I've seen. Focus on Hes. Yes, there's another reason I backed off a Wiggles lynch. Something in his posts make me think that if Hes flips scum...Wiggles is very likely his scumbuddy (based on some interactions between both of them). I won't dwell with it until Hes flips scum though, but it's something I found interesting. | ||
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gonzaw
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I already said I found his interaction with Ace odd, but I don't think his behaviour merits a lynch today instead of Hesmyrr, specially because I think he's likely town for those reasons (his town, activity, etc). I'll ask you again, which games was he scum in? Arkham City or Arkham Asylum? I'll check his games there to see if he's "cheerful" there as well. | ||
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gonzaw
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I mean, Ace was practically useless and had like 1.3% thread presence. Ace would probably park his vote on him and nothing else, he wasn't a direct threat to him as let's say, you (he could have easily killed you as scum). I think Ace was killed because basically nobody suspected him (because he was being his usual town derp), and because maybe they didn't want the state of the thread and discussion to change by killing someone else. That makes me think that perhaps scum were content with the way the discussion was going, which was basically steering towards BB, Ace and Radfield in a way (nobody had mentioned Hessmyrr at all, other than Grey asking him one question). THat makes me feel better about a Hes lynch to be honest. | ||
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On June 13 2012 18:20 BrownBear wrote: Ace probably died because at any point, he can go into mafia-is-serious-business mode, appear out of nowhere with a perfect read on at least 1 scum, and get town to follow him. Basically, Ace has the ability to tear up a game singlehandedly even when he's barely invested in it, and most mafia players rightfully fear that (it's the same reason Radfield and Foolishness are popular early hits as well). Hmm, good to know that. I certainly didn't feel like that at all in Liar Game when I was scum though BB, you forgot to vote in the actual voting thread (not only in here) Anyways, it's like 6 am here so I'll just go to sleep  (finally I get to use that smiley...I don't get what half of the smileys in this forum are for, yet they don't have a laughing one )I'll read AC tomorrow and see if what you say is true VE. | ||
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chaoser is absent from the discussion for now, and I'd like him to chime in. | ||
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On June 14 2012 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote: So what do you say to Palmar's accusations against you gonzaw? They are shit so I'll ignore them. | ||
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gonzaw
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He does that "ask lots of questions" thing he's doing here, and does post the odd smiley and stuff.He started posting in that game way into D1, and didn't seem so enthusiastic as this game (specially not at the beginning of it). I didn't really read the whole thread (just his filter), but it didn't seem he was active in discussions in it, but he does here. It also seems to me Rad was happy to accuse people in that game, even early in the game (Sheth, Toad). He's being more careful this game, with his "It's too early to make conclusions", and not being convinced on a Palmar or VE lynch, trying to find an alternative for the MZ lynch, etc. I'm not saying that behaviour of his isn't suspicious and is fine or anything (it isn't), what I'm saying is that if I take his scum meta from AC it doesn't really fit (to that specific meta). Maybe I didn't analyze it thorough, but I don't see any reason to do it since I don't see much that can convince me to lynch him today otherwise, so my vote is still on Hesmyrr. | ||
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gonzaw
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So...you made your standard "defense" post....so what now? You'll wait until a couple of hours before the deadline to show up again? (I think that June 15 3 KST may even be after the deadline, but I'm not too good with time-zone conversions )What have you say about being actively lurking and only posting when called out? What about you being totally absent the whole night? What about you being absent until you made your VE "case" and until you made those other posts 9 pages later? Did your internet connection fail as well? You can say anything you want about your thoughts on MZ/Palmar/VE since you haven't posted them before, so if you were scum faking those reads (as if you had them at that time) it would be easy as pie, so I won't take that into account | ||
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gonzaw
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On June 12 2012 08:01 Hesmyrr wrote: I am not insinuating, I am stating your behaviour before then was deservingly suspicious. Also I was still divided on whether to vote for VisceraEyes or MZ so wanted to see if there was going to be more materials/clues, like how you just behaved. You just wrote "I don't have the ability to make a coherant case in this amount of time", but you posted your suspicion on 6:11 so I'm not telling you to work on the fly. I don't even have to tie it into VE partnership to make it scummy, like you said ("I think the honest reason is that I wanted(and want) an alternative to a MZ lynch") you could be preparing in advance to make yourself look less responsible when MZ flips town, since you were looking for 'alternatives'. Keeping my eyes on you. Also VE, why are you so concerned about where my vote is parked? As I see it, with Radfield present there is no way Palmar is going to be lynched - which is one thing I definitely do not want to see at the moment - so I see no reason for me to change my vote unless necessary. Yep, nice conclusion there. You say that Rad's behaviour before then was suspicious (not his behaviour right now); then you spout some stuff about things Radfield said and only conclude with "Keeping my eyes on you" Nope, I'm sure I'd have noticed something like that when I first read this post in the first place, and there you go I read it again and found the same problems with it as the rest of your posts. | ||
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On June 13 2012 23:10 Radfield wrote: This is actually true enough in a sense. Day 1 I had about 2 hours to make a decision, and didn't really see any strong cases. So yes, I was looking for a reason to vote someone. Yesterday I barely even looked at the thread. As I said, I will spend time tonight. Day 2 is my special day, let me dazzle you with my awe inspiring townieness and scumhunting skills. Until he fulfills this promise, I don't see why he shouldn't be pressured. Hesmyrr would still get lynched for now (has 3 votes, the only way Radfield could get lynched is if chaoser+Hesmyrr vote him and Palmar drastically changes his read to lynch Rad and Rad votes for someone other than Hesmyrr), so there are no problems here. | ||
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gonzaw
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Well you have to come back and vote at some point anyways. | ||
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I missed my 1k | ||
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So VE, do you have any thoughts about Rad just leaving us and being lazy as fuck? Like, both Hes and Rad just said they'd disappear....so wtf do we do in the meantime? | ||
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On June 14 2012 11:50 gonzaw wrote: <3 So VE, do you have any thoughts about Rad just leaving us and being lazy as fuck? Like, both Hes and Rad just said they'd disappear....so wtf do we do in the meantime? | ||
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