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On June 11 2012 08:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh shit he voted for me? Vanilla Townie + Show Spoiler + Yes, I'm afraid my lack of stance on whether RNG is beneficial for town is NOT indicative of my alignment. The truth is, I can see both sides of the argument, so I'm fine with whatever. I suggest you don't lynch me because of that. I've got opinions. I intend to share them with the class. Wtf? Scumslip much? My role is Vanilla Towny, so that means you just fake-claimed ##Vote: VisceraEyes >_> So VE, please share those reads with the "class" | ||
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We are all VT's what's there to think? He did it as a joke to my previous post, most null tell you can get in this side of the galaxy. I wonder if massclaiming our "flavour" could do anything at all...... (it mostly won't, since it's likely scum get fake-names as well, like in LI) On June 11 2012 09:41 chaoser wrote: Also, you're ok with greymist's latest post's response to your post with "Also I hope that is not your complete reasoning for voting VE, haha." ? I found that a little bit odd....mostly because I couldn't fathom how somebody could have taken my post seriously >_> Then again...you did as well <_< It is odd that, in the case he did take my post seriously...he didn't find it strange at all (considering the freaking Role PMs are in the OP and nobody is "Vanilla Townie" nor "Vanilla Towny"). Grey isn't contributing anything other than his wishy-washy read on Radfield and Palmar, and him being slightly "suspicious" of Wiggles. For someone who was eager to start analyzing and shit that's lazy as fuck. He hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise, so I'll leave my vote on him and want him pressured until he is forced to give more content, or just die as scum. chaoser, you still haven't commented on my case on Grey nor his response to it. On June 11 2012 09:56 VisceraEyes wrote: What strikes me as "unRadfieldlike" is how little he's interested in getting people to comment on others. In other games I've played with him as town, he's consistently asking people what they think of others, trying to get that information in the thread. What I've seen this game is a less motivated Radfield, more interested in chit-chat and buddying with others than getting their opinions of their peers. This is why I'm down to lynch Radfield. I don't think he's townRadfield. I think he's scumRadfield. Then vote him, what are you waiting for? VE, you promised "the class" your opinions...where are they? @MZ: Post more thoughts related to the current events in this thread please | ||
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On June 11 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Calm down gonzaw. I gave you my thoughts on Radfield. I'll vote him if I think we can lynch him. Instead of asking me again for my opinions, after I've given them, why don't you tell me if you agree with me on Radfield so I know whether voting for him is going to serve a purpose? For the record, the OP states explicitly that we can post our role PMs. If we wanna go down that road, you guys feel free...but I don't think we need to resort to noob tactics today. I agree that Radfield is not being as cooperative as I'd think (he's saying "It's still too early to come to conclusions" or similar way too much). I don't agree with lynching him now though, I want to lynch Grey @chaoser: Maybe my "initial" case was me being too excited about thinking I easily caught Grey and is not a "case" per se. However, I still refer to the next responses of Grey as the "case" as well (and the points I made), and also the fact that he still hasn't posted any meaningful content yet (apart from those 3 "reads" he made) | ||
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On June 11 2012 10:34 chaoser wrote: Neither has a vast majority of the people playing? Look at Ace? Look at Brownbear? Especially the latter, he asks for more debate but then doesn't add to said debate. So why are you on greymist for something and not others? Your reasoning leads to a null read right now, not a scum read Grey has posted tons....Ace and BB haven't | ||
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 Or are you only attacking my accusations of Grey, but you still think Grey is scum? | ||
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I'm finding BrownBear a little suspicious, only because he was so eager to initiate some conversation here: On June 11 2012 03:39 BrownBear wrote: and radfield, who ninja'd me to a certain extent. so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here. But he never dwelled on that later and never showed up. | ||
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On June 11 2012 11:00 chaoser wrote: Your accusation that he's not doing any analysis is at 5:56 on June 11. At that time, he had only posted 8 posts since game started. Brownbear had posted 5. I didn't realize 8 posts was "tons". I think Greymist is scummy and I also think your reasoning for voting him is shit. Did you read the post I made about him? Grey explicitly said he was eager for analysis; he implicitly said he'd be eager to start making analysis himself (if he wasn't, then that was a contradiction from him and even scummier). BB never said he'd be eager for such, for all I know he's a bored townie that doesn't care shit about anything. Grey wasn't, he was eager to get the game started and post content, but he failed to produce it. On June 11 2012 11:00 GreYMisT wrote: For the record, my reaction had a "haha" after it, Gonzaws had a <_<. Mine is equally joking, if not more so. In any case, I am very worried about Ace after rereading. Particularly his post asking for caoser to respond to something someone else said without providing us anything, as well as saying he is down for an RNG lynch and then disappearing without again, giving us anything. Ace has bounced around a bit today without polarizing or giving town anything ##Vote: Ace Really? Voting Ace? Completely ignoring everything else being discussed at all? Yeah Grey you are scum | ||
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On June 11 2012 11:23 chaoser wrote: Brownbear specifically says "so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here." You yourself JUST said you were "a little bit suspicious" of him but now he "might be a bored townie"? Your reasoning is shitty, but I still think greymist is still scum so let's agree to disagree on how shitty your reasoning is cause I don't want to shit up the thread anymore and I know your tendency to spam like no tomorrow. Could you stop arguing with me please? Yes, I may have missed BB's post when I tried to analyze Grey. Hell, he could be scum as well, along with Grey (or SK, whatever). The fact that I missed it doesn't mean shit on what I wrote about Grey. I don't need to lynch both scum today, one suffices (and is in fact the only thing I can do...you know....you can't double-lynch and shit). Yes the "he might be a bored townie" part may have been an exaggeration. Water under the bridge, the enemy of my enemy is my friend (unless you are SK, in which case the enemy of the enemy of the friend of my enemy which is still the enemy of my enemy is my friend). On June 11 2012 11:31 GreYMisT wrote: Wiggles has posted more content then ace. My suspicion is still there, but Ace is more concerning for me. I'll probably be lynched today regardless of what I say due to mob mentality, gonzaw turning everything I say around into a scum agenda, and fear of lynching the big players. What I'm going to do is try to get us on the right track so we have somewhere to move tomorrow. Gonzaw, while I do think your reasoning consists mainly of over eagerness, I think you're town for the moment. With that in mind give me reasons not to vote Ace, aside from "grey is a better target" Ehmm...everybody except me in this game is a "big player". If had fear of lynching a big player then I'd have to vote for myself. Grey, there has been thorough discussion about: -VE -Radfield And you completely ignored both. You were also asked to make reads with more content (on Wiggles for instance), and you didn't. Instead you ignored everything and created more chaos by adding a guy (that you failed to acknowledged at all before) to the lynch candidate mix for shitty reasons. No, Ace is barely trying this game, and he's acting just like in Liar Game; just fooling around. If he were scum he'd be more manipulative by now, instead of "yeah RNG lynch k koo". The great thing is that if he's scum he wouldn't do that, and that's true (unless someone posts a counter-example). Not only that, I'm sure you know that as well, considering you've been interacting with Ace way longer than I have, which is why your vote was scummy as shit. | ||
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I'm sure you don't even know who Ace is. Is he one of those noobs that played the Newbie Games these past few games? I think he is. | ||
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I'm still waiting for your contributions and "analysis" I'll need to see more from a majority of the playerlist before I can make more informed decisions. I don't want you to make a decision, I want you to prove to us that you are town. | ||
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Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to): What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ? Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ? Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not? Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear? Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ? Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious? If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation.. If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything). | ||
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Gandalf the Greymist wrote: Now, back to the present. Would scum GreYMisT vote Ace? out of the blue? please, give me credit. I already stated suspicion of wiggles, as you so pointed out. in fact, others have as well. It would make much more sense for me to vote wiggles. Yes, i could be doing this as a massive scheme, but would it be worth the risk? probably not. And please don't bring up those "Why would I do X? If I was scum it would be absurd for me to do X" arguments. There have been a lot of scum in previous games of mine (VE and Toad in LI, Risen in LIII) that have done "absurd" things and used them to try and convince people they were town. So just....stop, I won't take them into account, specially if you immediately mention your towniness because of them.. | ||
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On June 11 2012 12:58 GreYMisT wrote: Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time. I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled. Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once. But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that. As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment. You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more. *sigh* Why don't you stop worrying about "spewing gibbreish all over the thread" and just answer the questions and contribute? Seriously, if I was town and I knew I was a possibly misslynch then I would give two shits about "trying to play correctly" and I'd try to convince people I'm town, because as much as "I don't want town to get into trouble", they would certainly get into one if they misslynched me. That would be the case if answering those questions, providing more reasoning behind your votes/reads, and commenting on what's happening in the thread was "spewing gibberish"....which is not.....it's actually the opposite. So you say that you want us to take a step back to analyse you and ask you questions, but when we do you get all defensive on our asses and do shit all? What kind of town plead is that? You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum No, they are completely different things. Ace is not doing anything disruptive, and because of the appliance of meta it means he's likely town. There's nothing "absurd" there. Not only that, but he didn't even use it to "confirm" his towniness. Ace never said "Hey guys see how I'm not causing chaos nor creating suspicion among yourselves? Do you see it? Yes that means I'm confirmed town okay bye". However, you certainly did (that Ace bit was a hyperbole so don't nit-pick). | ||
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