On June 06 2012 01:32 FreelanceSatan wrote:
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THERE he is....there's the guy RIGHT THERE.
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On June 06 2012 01:32 FreelanceSatan wrote: /join THERE he is....there's the guy RIGHT THERE. | ||
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On June 06 2012 11:54 Foolishness wrote: ugh, problem is I'm going to be out most of Friday and all of Saturday for sure. Not ideal mafia playing conditions x.x You've got a phone, and I'm pretty sure you know how to use it. Just spectate D1 like you were gonna do anyway | ||
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Marvel, are you going to help me find and eliminate scum? | ||
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If you wanna kick things off by starting a Toadesstern wagon, I'll join you in a bit and we can determine through pressure whether or not the guy is scum. Ready? Break! | ||
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Anyway, this setup speculation is fun and everything, but I'm mostly interested to hear from people who haven't posted yet. | ||
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Generally speaking, any game that has more than 1 miller that I've seen has been big games, like the large normals here. That's in general. That being said, I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT ruling out the possibility of there being more than 1 as I have no idea what to expect out of this setup. I'm for miller claiming whenever - we can decide after the claim whether it makes sense and whether we believe it or not. | ||
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On June 12 2012 08:30 kitaman27 wrote: I'm also shooting the first player whose filter reaches 20 pages. *cough cough* | ||
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mmmmmHHmmmmmmhmmhmhmhmhhmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I have a gun scum don't lurk. | ||
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If he's a townie he'll gladly make the necessary sacrifice, for the Town. Hommmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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On June 12 2012 14:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 14:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Had your gun taken away? Is that real? Did you just say that? :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yeah, interesting though. So the mafia have additional powers to take away a gun. Although this is interesting. If the mafia have the power to take away my gun why would they do that while trying to kill me? Someone tried to kill me and someone tried to take my gun. I can see why the SK would have that power, he is bulletproof at night but needs a way to survive day hits as well so that is definitely a possibility. I find it interesting that the SK would use that power on me since he needs as many people to die as fast as possible and taking my gun would just make me look a bit guilty. The only way that would make sense is if my first accusation was right and toad was the SK. That is essentially the purpose of that power. On the same note that would make the SK really powerful, but the set up makes him really weak to day shooting. I would say that would make up for the SK's shortcomings in the current set up so it is probably the most likely. On the otherhand the mafia has 4 members and I'm sure that could be a power that is functionally a day RB. You claimed Miller. People wanted millers to shoot first to prove they're a miller. If they take your gun away, it makes you look like scum because you can't shoot. Or, you're faking someone taking your gun away because you're scum who fake-claimed Miller. The hit could be a fake, or maybe a medic protected you and SK shot you. There's lots of possibilities here. I'm not taking your claim at face-value. Would you mind typing shoot into the thread so that we know you actually don't have a weapon? That at least tells us you aren't a lying town or scum that can shoot. Also VE, you never responded at all to my FOS. Not in the mood? Sorry Wiggles, but this is interesting stuff. You are suspicious of me because....you think it's better for town to choose the shot targets, yes? Can I assume that you've noticed that I'm now voicing my consent to target gonzaw today and that's why you're even talking to me rather than just writing me off as scum? Honestly I'd forgotten that you even said anything because my thinking has radically shifted in that regard. When I said that, I wasn't realizing that the people taking shots are more than likely town anyway statistically, so it makes sense for town to aim them. Sorry man, it takes a second for me to wrap my head around mechanics | ||
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On June 12 2012 15:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 15:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Your interactions with marv were scummy. He was asking what I thought were reasonable (if a little sarcastic) questions, and you respond by accusing him of being "in your face" and aggressive. I mean...I don't know, it seemed like you wanted to make him out to be suspicious for being suspicious of you....which is suspicious. which is pretty interesting given that this is exactly how he reacted to me suspecting him. It's also how he acted in Liar Game with Cephiro. He also spent a fair amount of time making plans for town didn't he? What did he flip in Liar Game? | ||
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On June 12 2012 15:20 gonzaw wrote: He tried to act like a smartass doing the whole "Oh geez if you think no mafia would fake-claim miller... then you make quite an effort in posting your thoughts about the Miller wouldn't you think?" thing and he was indeed being needlessly aggressive, even before in the game. He doesn't play like that (I don't think he plays like that as scum either, although I only skimmed through Magic (was it?) where he was), and I found it odd. Perhaps he's trying to emulate Blazinghand or something... I've pretty much learned to not say that about Marv. I don't care how cuddly he appears, he'll bite. What you said was pretty silly gonzaw. "I've never seen it, not gonna happen". That's such a limited way of looking at things, and you don't strike me as a guy who takes the short-view of things. Look at your plans, you think of everything. | ||
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RoL is SK who fake-claimed Miller to avoid DT checks and claimed to have his gun taken so he can't make good on his promise to shoot Toad... ...or... RoL is Miller who actually had his gun taken away. Anyone wanna wildly speculate with me? RoL I'm guessing you're still firmly in the "Miller" camp... | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:02 gonzaw wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: gonzaw why did you act as if you had a gun N0 when chaoser first introduced the notion that you should shoot today? I know you never explicitly said one way or the other, but you never even opposed the idea of you shooting. Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 03:15 gonzaw wrote: On June 13 2012 01:07 chaoser wrote: On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote: But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum. So just shoot him. See what I'm saying? Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts. I didn't want to out myself as blue so soon just because 1 guy (you) was buggering me about shooting. What do you guys think of rastaban? @Wiggles: I think rastaban was talking about me and not RoL, but I'm not really sure But you're the guy who was pushing the idea of all guns outting N0, thereby outting all blues. You were the one saying this should be an analysis game. This is a blatant contradiction in your philosophies. | ||
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I don't want to put it on a lurker who may or may not come back, I'd rather just shoot into those guys if we want to get a read on them. | ||
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EVER VIGILANT!!!!! | ||
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FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?? Payl I will shoot you if you post again without shooting gonzaw, because supersoft is a pussy. | ||
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Don't undermine me marvellosity. What I do with my gun is my business. There are many like it, but THIS one is mine. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote: He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so) I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him. I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved. He really doesn't want Marv involved. He about cried when chaoser suggested it. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 13 2012 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote: He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so) I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him. I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved. He really doesn't want Marv involved. He about cried when chaoser suggested it. Wait are you suggesting bus? I highly doubt scum would bus d1, besides I'm getting a town read on marv. Nono, the bolded. He was VERY vocal about not wanting marv involved, not just "seems like". I was expanding on your reasoning, but gonzaw has responded now. | ||
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When I say neutral I usually mean that he hasn't given many scumreads...but in rastaban's case he seems to have a disproportionate number of dudes he thinks look townie or "doesn't see for mafia" or whatever that is NOT one of suspicious, scum or scummy. He doesn't think anyone is scummy that I can see. :/ He was all about a gonzaw shot but backed off it even before the claim if I recall correctly...I'll read up on that actually, that's from memory. What do you think marvel? His tone suggest town, but his actions suggest scum. Based on the effort of his posts, I conclude that he's capable of better conveying his suspicions if he had any. He doesn't have any because he's scum. *shrug* That's my take. | ||
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Dies gilt auch für diejenigen sprechen Deutsch. Keep it in the site-native tongue boys. | ||
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Or whatever, I don't care really. | ||
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On June 14 2012 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Тебе надо говорит по-английский lol MZ any thoughts you wanna share? | ||
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On June 14 2012 09:00 talismania wrote: Ok I re-read. Gonzaw had the right idea - this is the weirdest contradiction in the whole thread: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote: On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person. If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. I support this! Allow me to repost one of the most coherent post made in this whole thread: On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Everyone pushing for an early shot right now is incredibly scummy, it is in towns best interest to not shoot immediately until we can review and make an informed post. There are a lot of people who still need to contribute making only 1 liners or no video posts, they need to start posting CONTENT. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote: The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners. risk.nuke Kenpachi payl gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot. ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him. Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on? I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange. More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff. The guy doesn't have any scumreads. Like, by now if he was town someone should have at least pissed him off to the point of calling them scum, yeah? He has none. No one he's even suspected that I'm aware of, though I have to admit...I haven't been watching too closely until today. Rastaban shoots tomorrow, and if he can't he dies. That's my vote. | ||
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On June 14 2012 09:20 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 14 2012 09:00 talismania wrote: Ok I re-read. Gonzaw had the right idea - this is the weirdest contradiction in the whole thread: On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote: On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person. If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. I support this! Allow me to repost one of the most coherent post made in this whole thread: On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Everyone pushing for an early shot right now is incredibly scummy, it is in towns best interest to not shoot immediately until we can review and make an informed post. There are a lot of people who still need to contribute making only 1 liners or no video posts, they need to start posting CONTENT. On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote: The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners. risk.nuke Kenpachi payl gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot. ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him. Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on? I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange. More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff. The guy doesn't have any scumreads. Like, by now if he was town someone should have at least pissed him off to the point of calling them scum, yeah? He has none. No one he's even suspected that I'm aware of, though I have to admit...I haven't been watching too closely until today. Rastaban shoots tomorrow, and if he can't he dies. That's my vote. The whole reason I supported that first post was to keep someone from shooting that night, you notice there is a 9 hour gap because I was asleep. And who was your scum read besides me, oh wait it was Gonzaw we saw how that went down. There are a ton of people who we have almost no information on. And this whole gonzaw thing, you are singling me out for being the one to defend him? When I finally decide well maybe these people who have played more than me might have a better read I guess I will go along with them you decide to lynch me I'm not singling you out for anything to do with gonzaw. I'm singling you out because you look like ass because you don't have a single solitary scumread in the whole game. Yeah, we have lurkers...it's a problem in EVERY GAME. What you wanna do about it? Wanna shoot them? Who do you think is scum? Why? 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On June 14 2012 09:26 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Holy shit Payle...you guys wanna kill that dude? Ugh + Show Spoiler + I'd love to see rasta shoot Zentor, or payle shoot zentor or any other combination but I'd really like zentor to be dead the most honestly. Yeah I really wouldn't mind a Zentor shot - I have similar misgivings with HIS lack of content, and that guy should fucking know better. | ||
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On June 14 2012 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL talked about all the downsides of claiming millers, then claimed to be a miller. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, finished reading. Any plan that involves millers and role checking is quite stupid. There are so many things that can interfere with proper results that it hinges on nothing. Anyone advocating some sort of role centric plan needs to shut up. It won't work, we don't even know if all the roles in the OP are the only roles in the game, but even from what we can tell it is still a crap shoot and it could only get worse. I agree with what Chaoser said. If we think someone is scummy, we make them shoot who they think are scummy. If they can't shoot and can't explain themselves then we just kill them. Problem solved. On the off chance the DT figures out his sanity and claims to have found someone a Miller claim CANNOT absolve them. A DT will only get a red check back on non GF roles if his sanity is known. The non GF roles cannot shoot, so they would need to shoot to prove they are a Miller. That claim can literally never work. There is only one actual benefit of a Miller claiming in this set up. Hypothetically its day 5, we need to kill a mafia and the DT claims knowing his sanity and has a red check on someone. Assuming that person has NEVER shot during the day then he can now shoot to prove that he is not scum but a Miller. There is no way scum can emulate that play to the point where it would help a Miller to claim earlier on. The only thing that this helps is preventing a cop who knows there alignment to claiming publicly in that one very niche scenario. In that scenario the N1 Miller claim would save the cop from going public. That is the only benefit. So does that single benefit justify having someone claim Miller? I can't see why someone would ever get shit for claiming Miller. The only mafia benefit to claiming Miller would be to avoid a RC but the only one who can do that is the GF who would get outed by a DT check and would prefer to get DT checked anyway. The same thing applies to SK's. Anyone faking Miller would eventually just get outed by some means and its not worth it. So I guess there is only that one benefit, but there is no real drawback besides people wasting time speculating on why someone claimed Miller. But hey, since I outlined all the reasons above and there are no true drawbacks, might as well claim that I'm a Miller. Green text: Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario. Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion. Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right? Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote: On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote: Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? It's not really a big deal. Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit. There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal. Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On June 12 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote: On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote: Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? about 0. I actually thought there's no way that's really a claim because that would be stupid. Maybe it's a trick to survive d0? :p Let's start the wifom machine lol. And here comes that suspicion thing I was talking about. It's the only downside I perceived of claiming regardless of timing. Idiots will always over-analyze shit for no reason. However that wasn't something I could articulate without just saying people are dumb and we can't work around them being suspicious of a miller claim regardless of how illogical it is for any non-town person to do it. Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario. RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum. He claimed to have his gun taken away, which is really suspicious as it sets him up to look exactly like a mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power. On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting. These things coupled with the fact that he hasn't been around for the entire night makes me doubt his claim. Would anybody else care to comment? So zentor you've been lurking for days and when you come back this is what you decide to comment on? ALSO NO MORE FINALS!!! + Show Spoiler + You better have passed. MZ you lurk for days and when you come back this is what you decide to comment on? | ||
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