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The town can feel free to give input on this, but I want to hear each one of you tell me why I should kill the other. | ||
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It would of been analytical gold for me, but I'm sure I wouldn't live until it became useful if I tried it. | ||
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On June 14 2012 22:09 Toadesstern wrote: in this setup 1 guy is enough to kill me. I doubt Supersoft would kill me without town agreeing to it but RoL is crazy no matter of alignment  Hey! That's....hmm... alright. | ||
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On June 14 2012 22:29 rastaban wrote: ROL can't shoot anyway, he just admitted he didn't get it back yet, I was actually surprised he thought he would. I assumed that if had legitimately lost his gun on a temporary basis it would work like a mis fire so it takes 1 day to renew (today) and then tomorrow it would be available again. I figured if it was an SK power that its purpose was to give the SK enough time to kill a person before it could kill them. I didn't think it would last for multiple days because I judging by some of the other roles powers can't be used multiple times in a row on the same person, I wrongly took that to the next level and assumed I would have my gun back after a day. | ||
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On June 14 2012 09:00 talismania wrote: Ok I re-read. Gonzaw had the right idea - this is the weirdest contradiction in the whole thread: I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange. More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff. So Rastaban is not mafia. Medics and Mafia can play with that information as they will. | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Nice out of context kita, pretty much all of those are actually directed at supersoft. His refusal to actually shoot payl when the chips were down was a definetely part of me shooting him. Also lovin how you're jumping right into the game now kita, what are your thoughs so far (and your theory that I was scared of you is ludicrous lol). Alright lets make this simple. Shooting right at the day post was absolutely retarded. To make matters worse you shot the only person who pegged a scum based off some paranoid theory that he could be the godfather. Mafia with a 4 player team would likely play way more conservative with their players then that, especially considering the mafia we killed could of fired a shot from stealing my gun and ended the day right there anyway. It would of been stupid for supersoft as godfather to do that when there was a much better option in making talismania shoot someone and piss away a day cycle. Then again, your action as mafia wouldn't make sense either. You know how shitty you would look by doing that and that we would likely punish you for it. The only conclusion I can draw is that you are the SK and you needed to use your day shot or risk modkill. Instead of being confirmed like maybe you had hoped you just look like shit. So anyway, I will shoot Meapak tomorrow. I know he's a better play then to pull that shit as town and it only makes sense for the SK to do. My only question is if you guys think I should kill him immediately at day post or wait? I will do it at towns discretion. | ||
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On June 17 2012 08:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If you shoot me you're just compounding my error. I'm going to be out for a few hours, when I get back I'll write up some cases on my reads. I again ask the thread in general, do you actually have a case against me aside from the fact that I fucked up? So far there has been resounding silence in from all those pushing for my death. Take emotion out of this for a moment and think about what I've said. My reasoning is not crazy, my motives are pretty apparent, the only thing I should have done differently was not shoot so early and talk it out with a few people first. We're all pissed, now let's calm down and keep playing, he gave us a great place to start. I've seen a lot of "meapak isn't that stupid," since kita brought up last game I'll just say a word about that: VE. You're trying to crucify me over one mistake and justify it using skill level which is retarded. Please make an actual case as to why I'm scum. When you fuck up that bad and in that way it leaves only one conclusion regardless of your perceived skill level. Your skill level just compounds that error. Keep in mind if you were SK you probably would of felt you NEEDED to shoot before anyone else. | ||
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On June 17 2012 11:46 Ace wrote: Ignore the part of the role PM that says the SK has to shoot at Night or Day. Err, care to elaborate a bit? I'm assuming you added flexibility to that, otherwise you would make it so any SK would risk getting modkilled by trying to use their day shot? | ||
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On June 17 2012 09:25 layabout wrote: I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting. I doubt that Meapak is a godfather. + Show Spoiler + I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy). When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.) I doubt that Meapak is the SK. + Show Spoiler + If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK. If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK. If that is the case then Meapak is probably town. + Show Spoiler + His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting 1. Godfather role probably exists. I don't know why anyone would think Talismania's role excludes the possibility of a godfather. That is retarded. 2. I explained why this would be a dipshit mafia move. I'm not going to do it again. 3. If there WAS a medic protect then it would clear meapak from being the SK. No one claimed it though. If there is NOT a medic protection then it could mean the SK held his hit, either that or the mafia + SK hit the same person. Unlikely. You are wrong. | ||
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On June 16 2012 07:22 layabout wrote: anyway stuff that. Stealing RoL's gun made RoL look very bad since we where unaware of that mechanic. Talismana's flip has made RoL extremely difficult to lynch, and mafia will have known his flip would have caused this, thus the only time mafia could have pushed him would be before talismania dies. Since mafia would be unable to predict the time of his death it would make sense for them to try to lynch RoL early on. One player has ade it his mission to do just that and so; My Finger of suspicion + Show Spoiler + insert slight immature giggling here at the word "finger" + Show Spoiler + and insert is pointed firmly at Mr. Wiggles + Show Spoiler + Early on he spends time discussiung stragety with VE. He advocates millers claiming. He seems very concerned about wasting cycles by letting players shoot recklessly. He agrees with those voicing suspicions against gonzaw commenting about how he shouldn't be focussed on defending himself but on hunting scum. He suggests searching for another suspicios player to shoot gonzaw or for gonzaw to shoot. He stresses the importance of RoL proving that he doesn't have a gun. He says that if RoL does not prove he cannot shoot then they should kill him. (RoL had said that he would be absent so it's possible that he may have done this to push someone else into shooting RoL while he could not respond). He re-explains this point in a few posts and stresses that if he is lying then they should kill RoL*. *Note: Since the thread can verify whether or not RoL has a gun ("prove it by typing the command or we shoot you") it makes absolutely no sense for RoL to be lying. So this posturing is worth next to nothing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=725&topic_id=340480 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15088363 He is around at the end of the day. Surprise surprise RoL was not lying. The thread is focussed on choosing between Payl Toad and Zentor. There are threats flying around. The thread is disordered and chaotic. Explanations have been flung out of the window and people are shoving their guns in each others faces and exchanging insults about their respective parentage. Wiggles seems oblivious to all of this and pushes RoL. What is strange is that if wiggles advocated shooting him if he was lying and shooting him if he wasn't lying why it took so long for him to get round to telling the thread that he thuoght they should shoot him. He also does not stick around to weigh in on what was happening (the shot "decision" restore order or try redirect attention to his case. Key points:
This is an interesting analysis. I particularly like how you focus on how Wiggles is seemingly using game mechanics only the mafia are aware of in his reasoning for attempting kills. I think that is suspicious because its inferring that Wiggles has knowledge of my situation and the nature of it. The way you post about him talking about the Miller plan is interesting. I want to look over those posts carefully and see if I see how he species the claiming should be done. I admittedly fucked up my claim timing, but it would be nice to see how Wiggles suggests doing it. Any mafia who knows of Talismania's role would obviously be in favor of using a Miller claim to force a bad lynch through gun stealing and making the Miller unable to prove himself while also allowing one of the Red's to gain a gun which could throw off DT checks/sanities later on. | ||
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On June 17 2012 13:09 MrZentor wrote: How is it likely that there's a godfather? If the mafia has a godfather, with Talis's ability, they could shoot four days straight. With two kills each night, that means 12 dead people without the town being able to do anything. If they started on day 3, they could easily wipe out the rest of the town. There is no way there's a godfather. Talismania's role hinges on him being able to pick someone out who has a gun. The Godfather would have to shoot day 1, he would have to pick a gun and shoot day 2, then there is a cooldown on being able to shoot iirc. Two days. The mafia in this game comprise around 20% of the town and the majority of us have guns. It's likely they were given some way to boost KP. Plus mafia needs a way to do those day kills without us noticing or they basically sacrifice themselves at the next day post when we can shoot them. Can I kill Meapak now, or what? | ||
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On June 17 2012 13:13 kitaman27 wrote: Dirty afk scum. @Zentor, it seems as if talismania's role was one-shot, no? You know wiggles is dead, right RoL? Back in a bit. LOL ignore that. I skimmed earlier today and noticed we a cycle go by quickly but forgot who was killed in it. I had a page open that was like 6-7 pages old and I read that so I responded. | ||
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