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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 15 2012 10:47 GMT
#12
/in if this game starts after end of LIV. Otherwise /out
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 19:16 GMT
#145
Hello, finally recovered from weekend (did not expect this game to start so early).

Hello Marv : I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.

I don't think WBG's opening comment is alignment charged. there are equal reasons for both town and scum to open up D1 with general common sense posts.

From the 2 games I've played (Noobie VIII and TLMafia LIV) and N_T has been lurky/bored as townie and hyper-active as scum. Just saying.

Navillus, despite still being a noob I am strongly against a 'voting against vets' policy. It makes no sense and seems hugely anti-town, unless its a joke.

Let me know if it is because until then [b]##Vote Navillus[/b
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 19:17 GMT
#146
EBWOP: ##Vote Navillus
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 19:56 GMT
#162
On May 22 2012 04:34 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 04:16 froggynoddy wrote:
Hello, finally recovered from weekend (did not expect this game to start so early).

Hello Marv : I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.

I don't think WBG's opening comment is alignment charged. there are equal reasons for both town and scum to open up D1 with general common sense posts.

From the 2 games I've played (Noobie VIII and TLMafia LIV) and N_T has been lurky/bored as townie and hyper-active as scum. Just saying.

Navillus, despite still being a noob I am strongly against a 'voting against vets' policy. It makes no sense and seems hugely anti-town, unless its a joke.

Let me know if it is because until then ##Vote Navillus[/b

Rofl, well thats interesting, it looks like i just went through your newbie game (snmmIX not VIII, bitch to find) and in that game there was an understanding that my town meta was very very active which i ended up failing at as scum, and my meta change was frequently noted in cases against me. Very interesting that you would want to try to make this conclusion. what reason would there be other than scum?

[b]##Unvote
##Vote: Froggynoddy


Ok need to check that again as it was from memory. As you found it do you mind linking it here? Regardless my accusation was qualified by stating that I'd only played with you in 2 games and so was weak at best, hence why I did not vote for you. Secondly if what you say is true it only proves I have bad memory, not my alignment.

Wait... is this OMGUS? N_T... we all know how that ended for you last game (i.e. you wasted of town discussion wondering whether you were bad town or scum) , and that its an even crappier reason to vote for me than my memory of your play is.

You seem a even jumpier this game? You scum bro?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 19:59 GMT
#163
EBWOP: *even jumpier than usual. Apologies, am exhausted
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 20:16 GMT
#172
Ok, seems like I was way wrong on how you played that. Apologies. Meta is a weak argument anyway unless its a Vet calling out another Vet as you are more likely to be able develop/pick up on trend. Which, I repeat, is why I did vote, let alone FOS you.

My issue with you this game though, is that you could pointed out all that you have without putting your OMGUS (and yes.. it is OMGUS) vote on me. And I'll tell you why acting reasonably and calmly when defending yourself is a better play as townie:
  1. you don't allow scum to bandwagon you based on overreaction (which your vote clearly is and a wagon definitely seems to be starting)
  2. it shows you are more interested in finding scum than starting a pissing contest
  3. It promotes rational argument, which again is good for scumhunting

That said there are WIFOM reasons for scum to act like this also. I just think that you are 'mafia seasoned' enough that you can't pull the 'overreacting noob card'. I still think you might just be an excitable fellow, but bear in mind that people are more likely (in my, albeit limited, experience) to believe you if you act calmly without jumping to illogical conclusions.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 20:18 GMT
#174
EBWOP: FFS, 'Which is why I didn't'. And theres a 'have' missing too.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 20:31 GMT
#180
*sigh* I give up N_T. This is wasting enough space as it is. If this is how you play town, or even generally argue your points, then I kinda feel sorry for you.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 21 2012 20:52 GMT
#190
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 22 2012 05:29 Tunkeg wrote:
Reads d1 of Day1

Acrofalis/Marvellosity:
Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure.

EchelonTee:
Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out.

Zealos
Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions.

Mattchew
He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now.

Nova_Terra
Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes.

Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning.


PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me.

PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it.



This list... serves no purpose other than making you look active. Town reads are worse than useless day 1 as 1. they are even weaker than day 1 scumreads and 2. points to scum who to kill to cause confusion.

EDIT: There was more but WBG and Navillus covered it whilst I was writing

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 22 2012 05:37 Navillus wrote:
Okaaay so my WBG vote was a joke, I do not actually think it's a good idea to lynch one of our 2 vets on that basis alone and I am not really of the opinion that advice is an automatic scum-tell, it'd be nice to have a little benefit of the doubt on me not being an idiot.

Next ##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew


As far as I can tell he's just posting with flavor text from mtg cards, if that continues I don't really care if he's scum or town it makes him impossible to read, doesn't let him contribute, and makes for a really shitty atmosphere. Mattchew stop it.

On N_T yes VE and WBG I'd say he's using pretty bad method of scumhunting/analysis and his vote is for a dumb reason, but that doesn't make him scum and aside from clear-cut examples of someone being useless or disruptive (such as restricting their posts to text from a card game) it's a bad idea to lynch someone for bad play, in my experience it's rarely a scumtell and depending on how they're playing badly it can be more of a town tell.

Tunkeg you asked a bunch of questions earlier, most of them were ignored, was there any point to them? Why don't you care that people didn't answer you/why aren't you following up? Also why post that list, if you have scum reads why aren't you just pressuring them instead of telling them, and how does telling everyone your town-reads do anything but let scum know who you think is townie and so light them up as targets?

Holy spam batman! NT scum or town please stop with multiple one or two line posts in a row, it's distracting and makes the thread harder to read through, consolidate.


How is voting for Mattchew due to his posting style (which you consider to be *Bad*) different to voting N_T based on bad play?

I don't necessarily disagree with you I just think you're being a little inconsistent. Shoot I forgot to unvote as promised:

##Unvote
##Vote Katina


Inactive players kill town. Katina, my vote stays on you until you make an appearance.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 23 2012 11:17 GMT
#488
On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff


Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting.

I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T.

@VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no?

@Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf).
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#492
On May 23 2012 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 20:51 Acid~ wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote:
On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff


Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting.

I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T.

@VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no?

@Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf).


I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing.


You're not going to get one that satisfies you, I fear. I want scum and/or anti-town dead. I voted for scum (or so I thought) and at the time Nova seemed like a good vig shot, townie or not. Is this pushing a scum agenda? Maybe you could interpret it that way, but it's not the case. froggy, you should certainly know I'm not so openly risky as scum.

Anyway, I have other people on my mind now. Here's hoping Nova makes some kickass cases to disprove my scepticism.


As has been said previously killing a townie, even a bad townie is bad for town. If you think NT is bad townie then you simply ignore everything he's been saying (as I have decided to do now) unless he starts developing scummy traits as opposed to just stupid ones.

BOLDED TEXT: This does not satisfy me and seems really dodgy to me. You admit that your behaviour could be considered scummy and then fail to show how is is not. Demonstrate how it is demonstrates a townie agenda rather than just stating 'i look scummy, but I'm not, you can trust me'
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 23 2012 21:16 GMT
#516
On May 24 2012 04:58 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It looks to me to be a fine summary of the reasons he has come to the conclusion that you're scum. What part of thecJeb case did you most agree with Zealos?

I thought the jeb was the "most likely" candidate for mafia at the time, as he came up with nothing useful, and the moment he was pressured he backed down again. I also felt he was more likely to be town than mafia, but either way was going to be useless.

The reason I got jumbled was that I failed to explain the difference between me thinking he was more likely than not mafia, and me thinking he is the person most likely to be mafia.


You voted for someone who was more likely town than mafia???
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 23 2012 21:17 GMT
#517
EBWOP: *Who you thought was more likely to be town than mafia
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 23 2012 22:44 GMT
#550
On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:
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+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum

So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:

1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.

2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.

3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.

4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.

ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2.



Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh.

##Vote Tunkeg


This makes no sense whatsoever.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 13:57 GMT
#676
So my biggest problem this game is with Hiro and N_T as they both play in a way that I think is really stupid if you're town. Aggression per se is fine, but aggression coupled with a complete lack of logical coherence is terrible for town. The only motivations I can think of for this kind of behaviour is scum trying to look town or bad town play trying to emulate VE or BH style aggression (which is usually backed up with evidence and more importantly the ability to have your mind changed when faced with cogent argument).

This being said I have both Hiro and N_T are leaning scum.

The former because of his aggressive tunnelling of Tunkeg on very little evidence (change of playstyle argument: did it occur to you that perhaps its more difficult to change how you think/play than by just simply announcing it; regardless I fail to see how this change of playstyle is in anyway alignment-dependent) and a lot of OMGUS.

The latter because of his pretty disruptive D1 behaviour coupled with his recent 'cooling down' as soon as pressure subsided. NT, If you truly think the way you played D1 is a constructive way of playing townie why not continue? Been rebuked in scum-QT perhaps?

Of the two I think I would like an NT lynch, but mainly because if Hiro is not scum then its highly likely that Zealos and N_T are scumbuddies.:

On May 24 2012 20:02 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 17:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Is he gone?

<peeks around a corner>

Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him.

To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat.

##vote Acid~

Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg?

Got a couple pages to catch up on, just saw this
I would support an acid lynch and to some extent zealos, but I think theres a high chance of him being a frustrated townie


Soft defence much?

##Vote: Nova_Terra
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 13:58 GMT
#677
Also, Katina you need to get active, you should know that inactives kill town or usually get shot.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 19:56 GMT
#830
This is just a suggestion but can we drop with the scumteam business? I don't feel like it's helping and may screw us over in the long run (e.g. one of your team flips town, makes rest seem less scummy, even though thats a fallacy).

Zelblade needs to post, however I don't feel like his behaviour is alignment dependent. Firstly, there's a difference between lurking and inactivity (the former can be scummy, particularly if there are a few lurkers to hide in; the latter IMHO is alignment independent at this stage).

I still feel like N_T and either Hiro or Zealos are most likely scum. Zealos due to Marv's case and hiro because of obvious bandwagoning of Zealos with a very weak case should Zealos not flip scum.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 20:38 GMT
#846
Up until Mouldy flipped town I felt that N_T was just playing aggressively. though badly and I pretty much had a null read on him. When Mouldy flipped town however and NT, almost schizophrenically one might say, toned down the aggression I felt like he had a scum agenda. Though we can be somewhat excused him from voting for Mouldy he made very little attempt to find scum apart from his frankly pathetic attack on myself. Optimally as a townie he should have pushed for whoever he felt was most scum rather than wait for a bandwagon to form on Mouldy and just hop on last minute.

However when he was pressured to make a case from Marv who does he pick? Katina. Probably the easiest case to write as even when she is town she lurks like crazy. It seems like N_T desperately needed a case (see my case on Grush in LIV when I was encouraged by scummate to write a case). Note that similar reasoning could be applied to Hiro, hence my mentioning him quite a few times.

I didn't vote for Mouldy due to not having been able to post since lynch time and his lacklustre play had not occurred when I went inactive.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 20:40 GMT
#847
EBWOP: And the reason I'm not active is twofold, one is the shitfest that was the VE and WBG pissing fight and 2. am moving out of London tomorrow and am desperately trying to recover as much as my deposit as possible.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 21:29 GMT
#866
On May 25 2012 06:11 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 05:38 froggynoddy wrote:
Up until Mouldy flipped town I felt that N_T was just playing aggressively. though badly and I pretty much had a null read on him. When Mouldy flipped town however and NT, almost schizophrenically one might say, toned down the aggression I felt like he had a scum agenda. Though we can be somewhat excused him from voting for Mouldy he made very little attempt to find scum apart from his frankly pathetic attack on myself. Optimally as a townie he should have pushed for whoever he felt was most scum rather than wait for a bandwagon to form on Mouldy and just hop on last minute.

However when he was pressured to make a case from Marv who does he pick? Katina. Probably the easiest case to write as even when she is town she lurks like crazy. It seems like N_T desperately needed a case (see my case on Grush in LIV when I was encouraged by scummate to write a case). Note that similar reasoning could be applied to Hiro, hence my mentioning him quite a few times.

I didn't vote for Mouldy due to not having been able to post since lynch time and his lacklustre play had not occurred when I went inactive.

thats okay that you have your little ideas and "optimal posting"
meanwhile I'll push my biggest scumread regardless if you criticize my case for being against someone you deem easiest to make a case on or not
Simply the fact that the case is an "easy one" and its so hard to get a group on her makes me think that shes even more likely scum


The reason why your Katina case is getting no steam is because people are debating about the Zs and kinda ignoring everything else thats happening.

I'm going to ignore what you think about your case on me as:

1. I've already said why;
2. If your scum (which I think is a better than odds chance of you being) I don't care about your opinion
3. As town you are playing, at first stupid, now inconsistently given your stubborn behaviour in Day1 and I don't expect you to have the open mindedness to accept that you were wrong (like I did regarding your meta for example)

To all those voting Zellblade, why vote for him rather than Katina? The latter has been lurky as opposed to inactive (which seems scummier) and any reliance on 'maybe he's got a special night power' is a completely useless hypothesis as inactivity can have a huge array of motivation behind it, lurkiness less so.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#876
We've already spent half a day waving dicks around. Lets not start another testosterone fuelled duel.

@Matt: you feel like your Roleplay style was as clear as writing in sentences, yet you switch to playing normal once you see that you need to intervene forcibly. This implies that even you found it hard to communicate all that needed to be said.

@Marv: Unless you feel like Matt's style was scummy I suggest you back off. Matt seemed to have switched for the good of town rather than to save himself. This to me gives Matt some credit. I for one did not find his roleplay scummy though I do think it limited his content.

Now kiss and make up... unless you think the other is scum, if so write a case.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#885
FFS, if either of you is town then you know that arguing about potentially bad play is as anti-town as the bad-play itself (unless it is part of make a case against scum), especially as Matt has now stopped roleplaying.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 13:18 GMT
#994
Well I'm not sure what to make of the Zealos vs Zelblade thing. The zealos lynch looks awfully similar to the Mouldy mislych, but I think Zealos seems scummier. I feel uncomfortable with the concept 'we should pick one of two' as it leaves the lynch even more open to scum control, in fact I'm going to go and check who said that as that seems like something hugely anti-town. Consolidating a lynch in the last 12 hours is one thing, but narrowing conversation on two players in first 24hours of the game is just plain awful for town.

I still think N_T and Katina are most likely to flip scum. Katina, lurking Day 1 is almost viable townie strat, Day 1 and Day 2... Get constructive.

##Unvote
##Vote Katina
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 13:53 GMT
#1001
Limiting the lynch to two players is pro-scum, as manipulative scum can make sure that those two options are townie. I'm not saying we shouldn't consolidate, just I don't see why we shouldn't push our first choice lynches and then compromise.

I pretty much agree with Tunkegs emotive state as I feel pretty much that way too. VE is being irrational, WBG is baiting him, Matt and Marv are being abusive, Katina is lurking in an anti-town way, now Tunkeg is giving up, N_T played an anti-town D1. All these players have or are hurting town... and none of them are currently on the lynch shortlist. This town does indeed have a sucky atmosphere.

That said giving up and promising some amazing insight is not helping, hence why I listed Tunkeg as acting anti-town. What is hilarious is that in such a town atmosphere, the optimal scum play is actually to post calm objective rational posts, like Nevillus and Acid. This is exactly what Marv and I did in LIV and it worked like a charm.

All I can say is I urge all those butthurt players to swallow your pride and resort to pushing your cases rather than kill town with your ego.

I'm voting Katina because I think lurking day 2 with no reasoned out post is the scummiest thing anyone has done so far, I still find N_T's change in posting style highly suspicious. If I had to consolidate I would go for Zealos, or even Tunkeg over Zelblade. I wouldn't be happy about it though.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 16:18 GMT
#1030
##Unvote
##Vote HiroPro


You die tomorrow if you are lying.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 16:19 GMT
#1031
EBWOP: if you are correct I'm pushing for a Marv lynch tomorrow.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 16:41 GMT
#1039
stop oohing and ahing and decide what you are going to do.

I for one vote we go for HiroPro and kill/vig shoot Zealos if he's lying. Make a decision or at least criticise my decision rather than posting 'shock-horror' posts/going to your scumQT to discuss how you are going to act.

I find it a little odd that Zealos DT would choose HiroPro as target (their argument happened after Night deadline), all Hiro had done was push Mouldy (after Marv had done already) and started pressuring Tunkeg... This is now making me doubt the claim.

Zealos, why did you choose Hiro Pro as check target?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 18:13 GMT
#1072
Can someone tell me how much time before the lynch?

Fuck it, I'm calling bull on you Zealos, everything you have just said seems so constructed after the fact (i.e. after you dropped the detect breadcrumb), plus your reasoning on Hiro seems really weak (i.e. an incomplete process of elimination).

##Unvote
##Vote Zealos
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 18:55 GMT
#1082
So, you're saying Zealos is not scum because you think Katina is scum? The Zealos lynch seems to be happening regardless of what Katina voted, so scum Katina has more reason to bus her teammate no?

Regardless this seems really weak WIFOM mattchew. Though I absolutely understand your reluctance to vote Zealos (trust me, this has been the hardest decision in TL mafia) I don't feel Katina's vote means much at all.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 19:10 GMT
#1085
Viscera the same can be said of the reverse. If Zealos flips town we can kill Hiro tomorrow.. Zealos is unlikely to live the night anyway, though I guess if we have a medic he could do and that would either waste a KP or give us another check... Shit am really torn on this. The choice to check HiroPro seems just so unlikely and his reasoning so bad!
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 19:37 GMT
#1092
On May 26 2012 04:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya guys, he's lying. We're good.


Care to explain?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 20:21 GMT
#1102
I also said you were bainting and I stand by it. Though it was mainly out of passivity and I honestly think VE was going crazy... for a moment it felt like you were a couple and you had broken up or something cuz he went loco. I apologise if it offended you but I was pissed off at the amount of anti-towniness that was happening (hence my butthurt remark in the same post).

More importantly Bugs, do you believe Zealos?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 20:47 GMT
#1109
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 20:54 GMT
#1114
On May 26 2012 05:51 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:
Zealos looks like you're our lynch then. Should we be wrong apart from Hiro who do you think is scum?

1. Mattchew filter
2. EchelonTee filter
3. Wherebugsgo filter
4. Tunkeg filter
5. Acid~ filter
6. Zealos filter
7. HiroPro filter
8. Mouldy Jeb filter
9. Katina filter
10. Navillus filter
11. Acrofales filter Marvellosity filter
12. Nova_Terra filter
13. VisceraEyes filter
14. zelblade filter
15. Froggynoddy filter
One of the above, take your pick.


Wait what? You think there are only two scum?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 25 2012 23:22 GMT
#1200
Well played Marv, your post helped to push my doubts about Zealos' claim into action (i.e. swapping my vote). Of Katina and Acid who would we most want to kill tomorrow? I need to look at Acid's filtre as if what WBG says is true then he may be a better target than Katina (despite my previous votes on her).

Re why pick Hiro over N_T? Perhaps because N_T is scum and though the gambit proposed by B is a risky one Zealos was already grasping at straws trying to prevent a bandwagon and such a gambit seems awfully risky. All N_T has done is sheep/buddy Marv and though I think Katina and Acid are better targets I hope people take a better look at him.

I'm going to sleep and moving out tomorrow but I'll be in touch witht he thread hopefully on and off.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 26 2012 10:01 GMT
#1269
What was going for Katina Day 1 goes for Acid today.

We are men of action, lies do not become us.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 26 2012 10:15 GMT
#1273
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote:
rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would
lets lynch acid next
for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit
after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win


As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 26 2012 23:27 GMT
#1402
Hey guys. I vigshot Acid. Among a Shitty phone so cannot quote my breadcrumbs but day 1 I said that 'i shoot inactive katina'. I decided to go for acid as I felt his behaviour regarding zealos was really scummy. I quoted from princess bride and linked to my breadcrumb regarding katina. Unfortunately was moving home and had no decent internet and missed acids later activity. Apologies to him and to town.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 11:40 GMT
#1489
Am so sorry guys, moving into the countryside and not having internet has really made it difficult to play. This is not an excuse, this is an apology.

##Vote VisceraEyes

I'm voting VE for a few reasons.

1. He's been acting really weird with this WBG thing. Note he hasn't actually made a formal case against him, he's only been perpetuating this weird feud thats going on. VE has always been aggressive, but he's never acted (in my limited experience) so irrationally. If he thought WBG is town he would try and convince us, not constantly attack WBG.

2. His Medic claim is the dumbest thing ever. Even I wouldn't protect me D1, I was one of the lurkiest and players and also not super important to town in terms of my scumhunting skills (I freely admit this).

3. This:

On May 28 2012 00:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
/salute

Wait, it's still as I said before - if I flip town you guys better flip Bugs next. There's literally no way we're both town at this point and anyone who doesn't see that has really been taken in by scum this game.

At any rate, I'll cooperate fully as I promised.


A small scumslip but added to his general behaviour I cannot see him flipping anything other than red

I am also doubtful of N_T 's claim. Apart from me he wasnt under any real pressure so claiming now makes very little sense. Yes he may want to give us a definite red as Hiro but surely he should have tried pushing this without claiming at first to see he could slip in another DT check N3, it just seems like a silly move (though a less silly move than VE's. I could see it as trying to divert attention away from VE onto HiroPro. Another scum motivation for these potential fakeclaims would be to out the real Blues.

Which leads us to Matthchew's post:

On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote:
Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights.

VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo
and
Nova_tera vs HIropro


We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det).

I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES.

Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read

I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro


... added to what has been said regarding VE and NT this looks like a pretty slick scumplay. This is clearly a huge assumption and I am not nearly as certain of NT and Mat as I am of VE. I just wanted to post my thoughts as I was unsure as to when I might post again.

Again apologies but real life has ****ed me over bigtime.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 11:41 GMT
#1490
EBWOP: I mean 'concerted scumplay' not slick.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#1491
Oh and Marv getting killed by scum to me seems like scum are trying to get us to lynch Hiro (as Marv was the only one pushing the HiroPro scum scenario).
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 11:47 GMT
#1492
EBWOP: obviously that last comment is exceptionally WIFOM-ey but its just my feeling on the issue.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 12:16 GMT
#1494
Indeed. The above case is assuming a VE, NT (and perhaps Mat) joint effort to out blues and put pressure off VE and force a lynch on Hiro. As I am more confident in VE being scum regardless of the veracity in N_T's claim, the aforementioned hypothesis is just something for town to consider after VE flips.

EDIT: on initial post I meant to say regarding point 1 VE case: 'If he thinks WBG is scum he would try to convince us...'

Two hour commutes are seriously sapping my ability to communicate coherently.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 15:11 GMT
#1502
On May 28 2012 23:49 Nova_Terra wrote:
*sigh*
heres the thing. if we lynch VE and he turns out doctor, we will have no choice but to lynch bugs because of nobody trusts my claim enough to go with it. I think we should all go for a sure 1-1 at the worst and lynch Hiro first. Kill me if he flips townie.


Lol. That makes no sense at all. All I can say us if VE flips scum i'm almost certainly going to push you as our next candidate.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 15:27 GMT
#1503
On May 27 2012 08:40 Nova_Terra wrote:
okay well howabout this
Im cop,
check results are WBG town Hiro scum


Why would you even want town to lynch Wbg if you have a town result???
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 15:33 GMT
#1504
EBWOP: had a derp moment there sorry. I think any lynch tomorrow shouldn't be based on a'if VE not guilty then bugs must be' premise as that is terrible logic.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 16:00 GMT
#1508
Well, generally people should push a player based on evidence other than your claim and disregarding any balance argument as that would be terrible logic.

Do you not see thepossibility of a townie yet mistaken Wbg?

Personally I think you're my second strongest scum read. That said Katina andnavillus are lurking hard which makes them ridiculously easy lynch targets at this stage of the game. If you are town ie you guys/girl are seriously hurting town
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 20:02 GMT
#1520
... This looks so staged...
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 20:08 GMT
#1522
Katina, if you're town, and you get modkilled again... I may be a little upset
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 20:09 GMT
#1523
Lol huuuuuuuuge ninja
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 20:15 GMT
#1524
That said you haven't justified your last 2 votes... If you are townplease give us comprehensive reads. If you're scum, i'm gonna vote/shoot you every single game we play after this game.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 28 2012 22:08 GMT
#1536
On May 29 2012 06:31 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 05:15 froggynoddy wrote:
That said you haven't justified your last 2 votes... If you are townplease give us comprehensive reads. If you're scum, i'm gonna vote/shoot you every single game we play after this game.


Awesome. I'm sure that will win you a lot of games in the future. Just like how you shot Acid.

Anyway, I justified yesterdays vote and today started raising suspicion when we had a claim from both VE and N_T. It's obvious that the two main people I think are scum (N_T and Mattchew) weren't going to be lynched today. There's no use in pushing it today (obviously)

I don't believe any of the claims that have been made except for froggynoddy.



Are you saying you're scum then?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 30 2012 20:39 GMT
#1621
Guys/girl wtf. We cannot kill hiro. N_T getting killed by scum only makes sense if if hiro is town. N_T was far from confirmed in his role, scum kill me last night and then get an easy mislynch on N_ N_
. Killing N't is forcing a hiro lynch, why would we ever do something scum is forcing us to do?

We should lynch Katina. She is definite scum,her play makeshift sense as town.


##vote Katina
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 30 2012 20:41 GMT
#1622
EBWOP: 'makes no sense'.. Stupid phone
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 30 2012 22:30 GMT
#1625
On May 31 2012 06:34 Mattchew wrote:
Froggy you should be pushing the fact that you are the only confirmed town and everyone in town needs to follow you or we insta lose cause unless 4 townies are on a person scum can switch to whoever and get the mislynch


Ok fine. Town switch to Katina as I refuse to vote for hiro today,which means that if hiro is scum his lynch will not go through. the reason why i'm holding town to ransom is on the off chance that Katina is a framer. If she isn't scum then you can just blame me for the loss.

I'd also like to add that Katina asked to be scum last game but was modkilled early on so i'm also banking on the fact that she may have requested scum this game too.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 30 2012 22:35 GMT
#1626
Oh and, not that it matters, if Katina somehow is town then bugs and probably matthchew have played the perfect scum game.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 09:09 GMT
#1633
On May 31 2012 07:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not scum so you don't have to worry about that.

However, seeing as there are 3 scum left who do you think the other two are? Tunkeg and Navillus?


Am not sure. I know I'd like to have a look at zelblade as since the zealos thing he seems to have got a bit of a free ride. Mattchew is not as confirmed time as you seem to think he is, but yeah, tunkeg and navillius have the easiest cases to be made against them.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 20:48 GMT
#1645
On June 01 2012 03:47 Katina wrote:
I don't fail to scum hunt or verify myself as town.

Lack of effort? No at all. I make accusations against people, I will admit my case making skills are still in the works. You didn't do anything in day one because you were posting in quotes. You made a case against zelblade (who's still alive in case you forgot) but never followed up on it or tried to get him lynched. Futhermore, you have ignored him since night 1 completely. It's for these reasons I think you are Mafia and I'm going to keep pushing you because you never respond to what I say about you instead you just claim I don't have a case. So until you respond and refute my arguements which you can't because they are all facts about your play this game I'm going to keep pushing

I made a case against N_T because he was being inconsistent and not scumhunting. Instead he was trying to defend himself all the time. Futhermore he was active day 1 and then somewhat disappeared day 2. This can be seen in his post count. Of course his spammy attitude was not helping the town either. This is why I made the case against him and tried to get him killed. Yeah I was wrong about him but I'm sure that you are scum. I didn't say I thought Nav was scum for voting for Hiro. I just said he was suspicious. I thought Tunkeg was scum because of his behavoir and attitude this past day. I just made a observation about how the votes for Hiro piled on and I found it suspicious how it happened. That's why I brought attention to it.

So no, you cannot say that I have not taken part in discussion. I have said who I think is Mafia, I give reasons, and I have been consistent and you have not.



•Sigh• If you'd posted like this earlier and consistently I would never be leading a lynch against you. I'm also suspecting mattchew and I think you have a point about him, particularly as he just had a minor scumslip (quote to follow). Unfortunately I think it's too little too late.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 20:52 GMT
#1646
On June 01 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
This is postgame discussion but no one else is talking so w.e

Katina, if you are town, it would be a complete reflection on your play. Scum isn't shooting you because you are playing poorly and you are an easy mislynch. You are being mislynched in LYLO because you are failing to hunt scum and/or verify yourself as town.

The complete lack of effort, and the arrogance in your play this game is what is leading to your lynch. I think you are scum because you have failed to come up with an actual case (and if you are town and you truly believe you have made cases then you need to reconsider this as well) despite telling people over and over that you have.

You have failed to partake in any discussion longer than, "he's scum, he's not scum", you're reasoning for people being scum is lazy as hell (Examples: NT was scum because he said that he was town, I am scum cause I posted in flavor text, Me/Tunk/Nav are all scum for voting Hiro) All of these are terrible and completely illogical as scum tells.

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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 20:54 GMT
#1647
EBWOP: Obviously you qualified that paragraph but I still find the phrasing odd.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 21:13 GMT
#1650
I am suspicious of you. I'd rather not discuss anything other than Katina's lynchuntil game tomorrow.

I do agree with your comments regarding her play.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 21:46 GMT
#1654
On June 01 2012 06:37 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Katina, looks like you are getting offed. Looks like you were the most useless afterall...


You think she's just useless? Not scum?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 22:26 GMT
#1663
Am so pissed off with myself, I was going to shoot Katina day 1 and I hesitated and then thought acid was playing clever scum and was therefore more dangerous. Apologies.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 31 2012 22:30 GMT
#1664
Finally, this is going to be last post before game tomorrow.

I will be pushing for a WBG lynch next, I will give my reasons tomorrow (game tomorrow).
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 01 2012 21:41 GMT
#1672
The tension is killing me..
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 01 2012 21:59 GMT
#1674
My case against WBG was a gambit to keep me alive in the night. Mattchew and Wbg are the most likely to be town IMO and I thought by stating suspicions on them there was an outside chance that they keep me alive.

So my real scum reads lie between hiro, tunkeg, navillus and zellblade. Note we have room for one mislynch.

Of the two remaining scum one has to be between tunkeg and navillus i.e. the two who did not switch to Katina even though as town they would have been forced to sheep me.

Of the two (note they might both be scum.) I think we should lynch tunkeg first. His reason to stay on hiro was marginally worse than navillus. Zealos also soft-defended him. His voting pattern seems really weird on day 2 also, essentially having hiro until he decided to sheep VE this never making a stance. He then in N2, seemed sure that hiro was scum, yet switched to acid on a very weak case. I apologise for the lack of direct quotations but I physically cannot link with this phone.

Just to be clear, I think mattchew is most town, 99%. Bugs is almost as town, and even if he were scum town lost a longtime ago. I would vote tunkeg followed by navillus, if somehow one of them is not scum, I would have a long hard look at zellblade, particularly due to the fact that zealos never really attacks/mentions him before his lynch. Way his behaviour with the hiro check and make a judgement call.

Good luck town!
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#1677
Hmmm, this makes things interesting. My plan I still think is the best one.

##vote tunkeg
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 00:32 GMT
#1687
On June 02 2012 07:16 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 06:57 HiroPro wrote:
Tunkeg is scum. The points I've made in my earlier cases still hold true. He says that he's going to vote for Mattchew at night because he's bm. He thinks that Katina is scum but doesn't vote for her.

Navillus is probably the other scum. His posting over the past couple of days has been very non-committal and nervous. And the way Katina glosses over Navillus speaks volumes. She said that he was scummy but then quickly tried to change the subject. That's the mark of a team mate trying to draw away attention.

On May 29 2012 04:19 Navillus wrote:
Soo I'm back and, I honestly just don't know... I guess at this point we just go through with VE's plan, I just got in and I've stayed caught up on my phone but I couldn't really analyze much, I'm gonna go back over the thread and see if I can make sense of what's been happening or if there's anything I've missed but... yeah I really don't know what to do at this point.

##Vote VisceraEyes



You know I am not scum, because you are scum yourself. But no need to feel good about your play this game, you guys didn't win this for scum, town did. You did nothing but tunnel me all game, got a condirme DT check on you and still the town in this game have played such an utterly shit game that they are getting lynched before you.

I think you and Navilus are the last scum. And I think Mattchew is the "third" scum, what a complete joke his game have been.

##Vote Hiro Pro


There are so many scenarios in this post that if you are town, which is highly doubtful, you may need to reconsider changing your plausible... Again.

PS: am up for 24 hour days.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 00:33 GMT
#1689
EBWOP: scumslips, not scenarios... Stupid autocorrect.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 13:02 GMT
#1696
On June 02 2012 17:38 Tunkeg wrote:
Well done! You guys got me. As this is my first game as scum, care to tell me how you got me. What did I do to tip you guys off?



If you serious, and the scum team don't concede, then wait till the post-game.

If you aren't, you are answering your own question.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 13:29 GMT
#1698
On June 02 2012 22:06 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 22:02 froggynoddy wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:38 Tunkeg wrote:
Well done! You guys got me. As this is my first game as scum, care to tell me how you got me. What did I do to tip you guys off?



If you serious, and the scum team don't concede, then wait till the post-game.

If you aren't, you are answering your own question.


No do it now, I just want to see where I stepped wrong. And it cannot hurt the game given reasons to why you got me?



Of course it hurts town as it allows your scumbuddy to blend in.

The rest of you, are you happy to lynch navillus next?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#1703
On June 02 2012 07:16 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 06:57 HiroPro wrote:
Tunkeg is scum. The points I've made in my earlier cases still hold true. He says that he's going to vote for Mattchew at night because he's bm. He thinks that Katina is scum but doesn't vote for her.

Navillus is probably the other scum. His posting over the past couple of days has been very non-committal and nervous. And the way Katina glosses over Navillus speaks volumes. She said that he was scummy but then quickly tried to change the subject. That's the mark of a team mate trying to draw away attention.

On May 29 2012 04:19 Navillus wrote:
Soo I'm back and, I honestly just don't know... I guess at this point we just go through with VE's plan, I just got in and I've stayed caught up on my phone but I couldn't really analyze much, I'm gonna go back over the thread and see if I can make sense of what's been happening or if there's anything I've missed but... yeah I really don't know what to do at this point.

##Vote VisceraEyes



You know I am not scum, because you are scum yourself. But no need to feel good about your play this game, you guys didn't win this for scum, town did. You did nothing but tunnel me all game, got a condirme DT check on you and still the town in this game have played such an utterly shit game that they are getting lynched before you.

I think you and Navilus are the last scum. And I think Mattchew is the "third" scum, what a complete joke his game have been.

##Vote Hiro Pro


What do you mean by third scum?

Ok, for some reason I thought we had leeway for one mislynch, I was wrong. Are people around? What are people thinking about a switch onto navillus? I'm starting to think that tunkeg is slightly more likely to be frustrated town. That latest gambit was useless but seems consistent with his frustrated townie play.


Btw, hiro zelblade and navillus, at least one if you must be town. Your lack if content is killing this game just as much as tunkegs anti-town behaviour.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 21:12 GMT
#1721
I was thinking about the navillus problem. Mattchew I have never played with tunkeg. Is he usually this bad town? I was already confirmed, mattchew pretty much is too as he prompted my move on katina which IMO has no scum motivations. Pffff i'm starting to lose motivation. In LIV I won with Marv as scum because town w let scum win and it seems the same may be happening here.

Matthew, ihave looked at both tunkeg and navillus and they both look scummy as hell. The only reason i'm doubting tunkeg now is just because he just might be terrible town, coupled with the fact that hiro and nav have been lurking hardcore.

Mattchew, why do you nav isnow a better choice?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 21:30 GMT
#1724
Whatever, I confirmed myself as town, I led a lynch onkatina. Thatsmore than anyone apart from marv, WBG and matt. I don't give a shit about the quantity of my posts.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#1726
GG tunkeg.
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 21:46 GMT
#1730
Why if you were town would you try to antagonize the one guy who was considering getting you off a lynch?
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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 22:31 GMT
#1756
Ok so my thing about VE is that he lost a lot of credibility with his weird tunnelling if WBG, I just don't understand it and I don't see how it was done in a pro-town way. also how does him claiming a power role when it gives no benefit to town a good move in the slightest?

This being said I know I played badly, I should have switched fomtunkeg, I should have shot Katina and I shouldn't let myself be aggravated by people's unwillingness to swallow their pride.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
June 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#1761
Oh, and thanks to artanis and greymist for hosting. Can I ask did Katina request scum?
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