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On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade).
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Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours:
Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon.
Who is on your scumteam scummy scum?
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Could we get a vote-count up in here?
Holy shit this thread went to hell, Mattchew thank you for posting normally to try and fix things (at this point I wasn't even annoyed that you were doing flavor text, but someone needed to get in here and help cut off the VE WBG shitfest so thanks) On the possible lynch candidates now, first ##Vote: Zealos I've been asleep so I haven't been here to do this but know there's at least one more person who would support that lynch per the reasons in my last big post. (also look to that for why I don't think a tunkeg lynch would be good)
But what interested me is I think there is definitely a stronger case to be made on Acid than on Zealos or Zelblade, (haven't looked into him yet, give me a little time for that) he made one response, and now no one is voting or pressuring him. So I'd like to ask, Mattchew and Marvel what are your reads on Acid right now?
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NO WAIT I'M GOOD WITH A ZELBLADE LYNCH!
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What the hell i was gone for like 3 hours and theres a freaking shitstorm even after i thought it was quelled
I dont even want to post into this mess, the atmosphere is freaking awful and im too tired to use logic
and of course theres mister OH LOOK Perfect 4 man scumteam VE and you dont seem to understand why people ignore you
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also my damn case is buried to shit
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Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:41 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade). Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours: Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon. Who is on your scumteam scummy scum?
You don't even say anything legitimate about faults in my Tunkeg case. I already answered the doubts that VE and marv had about my case:
1. VE
On May 24 2012 08:08 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro, your case is pretty bad, I'll summarize it here:
- Pre-game, claimed he wanted to change up his style
- Attempting to appear useful and active while not contributing himself
- His scumread died overnight.
First of all, Tunkeg's assertion that his style would be different this game is not indicative of his alignment as he said it (as far as I know) before the roles went out. Are you saying he said this BEFORE he knew he was scum IN CASE he rolled scum so he could subvert his scum meta? That's a stretch, I don't care how you look at it.
Oh that's funny. Cause it's an OUTRIGHT LIE. Tunkeg doesn't mention anything like that before the game starts. That big "I want to change my style. No, no it's not cause I rolled scum. It's because I want to improve my analysis skills" post is after the day 1 post. Are you telling me that Tunkeg didn't know his role at that point. Bullshit. Second, I'm not sure why you attempt to discredit his case against ET, but it seemed well enough thought out, and the points he raised were pretty valid - I had to go back and reread ET to find out if I missed something after reading his case. Yet all you have to say about the case is the following: Show nested quote +In his case, HiroPro wrote:
As for his "case" against ET, lol. Apparently, in Tunkeg world, being an active poster who pressures people is a scum trait. Tunkeg is a faker. All he does is hard-defend ET here - not refute Tunkeg's points or even address the case at all...only buddy up to the one Tunkeg was attacking. That's it. So why was it bad exactly? Do you disagree with his points? Why? 1. Huh this point isn't valid at all. Being active and pressuring is people is what town does. 2. Oh he doesn't your huge list of questions. Maybe cause they're worthless. 3. Ooh. ooh. he wants to take the easy scum targets. Maybe he doesn't want to give cases at nighttime??? 4. Maybe true. But if he was scum, then why the hell would he vote for someone he knows is townie when it doesn't matter??? He would vote for someone else. Bam. Fake case broken down.
And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!").
Oh I see. What you have been doing this game other than get into arguments???
2. Marv
On May 24 2012 08:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh". Stop it. All I get from your case on Tunkeg is that he made a post you didn't like that asked a lot of his questions and his scumread died. Part 2 (ET dying) is wifom-central so I'm going to ignore that for the moment. What else makes him scum other than the fact he made a list of questions you don't like? Did you even read my case. The entire fake first post where he tries to discredit his meta AFTER he got his role. Or the fact that he tries to quietly get Acrofales to go after ET. Or the fact that he doesn't actually try to pressure anyone this game. Even the post where he votes for Mattchew is like "oh this guy might be disruptive townie. or he might be scum". And then he follows with some wishy-washy garbage to cover up for himself
"There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy. "
"Jump on a Zealos bandwagon"? I read the case Marv had on you. I saw the stupid little shit that you posted to try to discredit me. I actually have legitimate reads and reasons behind my votes, unlike you.
I'm not sharing my scum team, when I only have 2 strong reads. Connection stuff is dumb until you actually have dead scum to look at.
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NT the WBG VE thing mostly ended a few pages back, the discussion's now mostly on Zealos, Zelblade and some lurkers. Speaking of which, who would rather have lynched Zealos, Zelblade or another lurker? (if so which one?)
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On May 25 2012 04:54 Nova_Terra wrote:
also my damn case is buried to shit
Where.
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This is just a suggestion but can we drop with the scumteam business? I don't feel like it's helping and may screw us over in the long run (e.g. one of your team flips town, makes rest seem less scummy, even though thats a fallacy).
Zelblade needs to post, however I don't feel like his behaviour is alignment dependent. Firstly, there's a difference between lurking and inactivity (the former can be scummy, particularly if there are a few lurkers to hide in; the latter IMHO is alignment independent at this stage).
I still feel like N_T and either Hiro or Zealos are most likely scum. Zealos due to Marv's case and hiro because of obvious bandwagoning of Zealos with a very weak case should Zealos not flip scum.
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On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Hey, if you think the case against Zealos isn't strong, than why. You don't actually mention anything wrong with the case. All you do is keep saying "i'm ok with him. but the case isn't strong" over and over.
How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!"
And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask.
"If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?"
Now, if you looks at zelblade's posting, sure there's only one thing wrong. But it's a big thing. It's a five by itself. And if we were to ask the same questions of zelblade, answers are easily found. As a scum he has everything to gain by playing this way, especially if he has a special power to use at night.
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On May 25 2012 04:45 Navillus wrote:
Could we get a vote-count up in here?
Will get on it, give me a bit.
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On May 25 2012 04:54 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:41 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade). Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours: Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon. Who is on your scumteam scummy scum? You don't even say anything legitimate about faults in my Tunkeg case. I already answered the doubts that VE and marv had about my case: 1. VE Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:08 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro, your case is pretty bad, I'll summarize it here:
- Pre-game, claimed he wanted to change up his style
- Attempting to appear useful and active while not contributing himself
- His scumread died overnight.
First of all, Tunkeg's assertion that his style would be different this game is not indicative of his alignment as he said it (as far as I know) before the roles went out. Are you saying he said this BEFORE he knew he was scum IN CASE he rolled scum so he could subvert his scum meta? That's a stretch, I don't care how you look at it.
Oh that's funny. Cause it's an OUTRIGHT LIE. Tunkeg doesn't mention anything like that before the game starts. That big "I want to change my style. No, no it's not cause I rolled scum. It's because I want to improve my analysis skills" post is after the day 1 post. Are you telling me that Tunkeg didn't know his role at that point. Bullshit. Second, I'm not sure why you attempt to discredit his case against ET, but it seemed well enough thought out, and the points he raised were pretty valid - I had to go back and reread ET to find out if I missed something after reading his case. Yet all you have to say about the case is the following: Show nested quote +In his case, HiroPro wrote:
As for his "case" against ET, lol. Apparently, in Tunkeg world, being an active poster who pressures people is a scum trait. Tunkeg is a faker. All he does is hard-defend ET here - not refute Tunkeg's points or even address the case at all...only buddy up to the one Tunkeg was attacking. That's it. So why was it bad exactly? Do you disagree with his points? Why? 1. Huh this point isn't valid at all. Being active and pressuring is people is what town does. 2. Oh he doesn't your huge list of questions. Maybe cause they're worthless. 3. Ooh. ooh. he wants to take the easy scum targets. Maybe he doesn't want to give cases at nighttime??? 4. Maybe true. But if he was scum, then why the hell would he vote for someone he knows is townie when it doesn't matter??? He would vote for someone else. Bam. Fake case broken down.
And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!").
Oh I see. What you have been doing this game other than get into arguments??? 2. Marv Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh". Stop it. All I get from your case on Tunkeg is that he made a post you didn't like that asked a lot of his questions and his scumread died. Part 2 (ET dying) is wifom-central so I'm going to ignore that for the moment. What else makes him scum other than the fact he made a list of questions you don't like? Did you even read my case. The entire fake first post where he tries to discredit his meta AFTER he got his role. Or the fact that he tries to quietly get Acrofales to go after ET. Or the fact that he doesn't actually try to pressure anyone this game. Even the post where he votes for Mattchew is like "oh this guy might be disruptive townie. or he might be scum". And then he follows with some wishy-washy garbage to cover up for himself
"There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy. "
"Jump on a Zealos bandwagon"? I read the case Marv had on you. I saw the stupid little shit that you posted to try to discredit me. I actually have legitimate reads and reasons behind my votes, unlike you. I'm not sharing my scum team, when I only have 2 strong reads. Connection stuff is dumb until you actually have dead scum to look at.
Neither of these are cases, and you damn well know it. You're just defending yourself, not putting pressure on them.
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On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
This is such a waste of time and thread space lol.
Anyway, Katina where are you? Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning. I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew. One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down. N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him: 1. Spam! 2. Spam! 3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".) 4. Inconsistent As I have stated he is only focusing on me and now by making that "Case" against me is a waste of time that could be used to find the Mafia. As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him? He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him.
seriously wtf is this defense
and are you freaking joking, im the only person "focusing on you"
did it ever occur to you that MAYBE im not voting for you as OMGUS and MAYBE you're posting like either a lurking scum or the most unhelpful town freaking ever?
How the hell can you say OH WAIT no i never meant his spam is alignment indicative! and then use it as arguments against me
Generally people like to defend themselves once they get votes, so i dont really give a damn if you think thats scummy
Point out my inconsistency other than changing my opinion (oooh so scummy, can think harder and change his mind)
and if you're talking about inconsistency then why dont you look at people like VE who tell me that im going to die, then flop votes like 7 times
And apparently its bad that i make a case on you cause i should be finding scum
Can you please get lynched or modkilled again?
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and thts cool, im scum when i spam and im scum when i dont
do people not think?
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On May 25 2012 04:54 HiroPro wrote:Where.
seriously are you trying to play without reading the entire thread too?
its page 35
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On May 25 2012 05:02 Mattchew wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/31aCn.jpg)
Vote Count - Roughly 25 hours and 50 minutes to go
Tunkeg (0): HiroPro
WhereBugsGo (0): VisceraEyes
HiroPro (1): Zealos
Acid~ (1): Navillus, wherebugsgo
Nova_Terra (1) froggynoddy
Katina (1): Nova_Terra
Zelblade (3): Acid~, Mattchew, wherebugsgo
Zealos (3): marvellosity, HiroPro, VisceraEyes, wherebugsgo
Not Voted (3): Tunkeg, Katina, zelblade
At the current vote count, Zealos will be lynched for reaching 3 votes first.
Please tell me if you believe I've made a counting error.
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On May 25 2012 04:56 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Hey, if you think the case against Zealos isn't strong, than why. You don't actually mention anything wrong with the case. All you do is keep saying "i'm ok with him. but the case isn't strong" over and over.
How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!"
This is true in almost every single case where you find scum.
Unless scum are bad they don't leave massive trails that just lead back to them. Zealos is not a bad scum player in the least and if it were that easy to find scum we would've killed one yesterday.
And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask.
"If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?"
You're simply asserting here that it's hard to see the scum agenda. Scum don't like making cases because they already have information about who is town and who is not. Town will at the very least try to scumhunt. Zealos made no real attempt at that on day 1. He admitted himself he thought 13 players were town and one town but less so. That's just a massive cop out from calling anyone scum, a huge shirking of responsibility. It's a sign he doesn't know who to call out for fear of being caught.
Finally, what playstyle? It's not a simple question because the underlying assumptions aren't even properly stated. How can you define a player's playstyle so simply? We don't even know what you're asking.
Now, if you looks at zelblade's posting, sure there's only one thing wrong. But it's a big thing. It's a five by itself. And if we were to ask the same questions of zelblade, answers are easily found. As a scum he has everything to gain by playing this way, especially if he has a special power to use at night.
Going inactive and not scumhunting are about as antitown as you can get.
What I'm curious about is why you seem to assert that zelblade's inactivity is so much more incriminating of him than zealos. You haven't really justified anything you've said, just asserted it.
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On May 25 2012 04:56 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Hey, if you think the case against Zealos isn't strong, than why. You don't actually mention anything wrong with the case. All you do is keep saying "i'm ok with him. but the case isn't strong" over and over.
How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!" And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask. "If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?"
He unvotes someone because they got replaced.... Replacements don't change their alignment. That's a scummy action.
He votes for someone he thinks he is town, because he has no scum reads???? He's obviously posting in the thread. Why the hell isn't he reading it? That's a scummy action.
He has new scumreads after the deadline with the only new information being that mouldyjeb is town, and doesn't even use that in the reads? That's a scummy action.
He tries to discredit my Tunkeg case, without actually going through my filter. (He completely ignores the responses I made to VE and marv). That's a scummy action.
As for why he would admit the fact that he voted for someone he thought was town? He knew he couldn't lie about that, everyone had picked up on it and no one would believe him if he tried.
He's a scum who knows he's in trouble and is just trying to squirm his way out of it.
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