Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia - Page 43

On May 25 2012 04:45 Navillus wrote:
Could we get a vote-count up in here?

But what interested me is I think there is definitely a stronger case to be made on Acid than on Zealos or Zelblade, (haven't looked into him yet, give me a little time for that) he made one response, and now no one is voting or pressuring him. So I'd like to ask, Mattchew and Marvel what are your reads on Acid right now?

On May 25 2012 04:56 Acid~ wrote:


How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!"

And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask.

"If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?"

Now, if you looks at zelblade's posting, sure there's only one thing wrong. But it's a big thing. It's a five by itself. And if we were to ask the same questions of zelblade, answers are easily found. As a scum he has everything to gain by playing this way, especially if he has a special power to use at night.

On May 25 2012 05:13 wherebugsgo wrote:


This is true in almost every single case where you find scum.

Unless scum are bad they don't leave massive trails that just lead back to them. Zealos is not a bad scum player in the least and if it were that easy to find scum we would've killed one yesterday.



You're simply asserting here that it's hard to see the scum agenda. Scum don't like making cases because they already have information about who is town and who is not. Town will at the very least try to scumhunt. Zealos made no real attempt at that on day 1. He admitted himself he thought 13 players were town and one town but less so. That's just a massive cop out from calling anyone scum, a huge shirking of responsibility. It's a sign he doesn't know who to call out for fear of being caught.

Finally, what playstyle? It's not a simple question because the underlying assumptions aren't even properly stated. How can you define a player's playstyle so simply? We don't even know what you're asking.



Going inactive and not scumhunting are about as antitown as you can get.

What I'm curious about is why you seem to assert that zelblade's inactivity is so much more incriminating of him than zealos. You haven't really justified anything you've said, just asserted it.

On May 25 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:


I find this entire post deeply inconsistent. I have pointed out several times the scummy motivations for doing what Zealos did. Your justification on zelblade is so weak.

To the bold: so zelblade has some special power, and the best way to utilise it is... wait... it's coming.... I know! to say he's going to post reads and then not! That's sure to make him survive so he can use his powers!

-.-

On May 25 2012 05:58 Acid~ wrote:


You're right, I wasn't actually trying to convince anyone here, just explaining my train of thought. Now keep in mind this is my first *TL* mafia and I don't know any of you. I don't know anyone's meta so my analysis is based entirely on what goes on in this thread and general knowledge about mafia games. Not knowing Zealos, to me he could be a confused or mediocre town player just as much as he could be scum. Zelblade, however, I feel he should be carrying a sign that says "please oh please god don't look at me I just want to live through this day so I can use my power at night".

On May 25 2012 05:36 Navillus wrote:
To clarify I was referring to Zelblade when I said "haven't looked into him yet". I think I saw Marvel's read earlier looking at that... now. Okay I see it, he says he probably shouldn't have included you, that's not a very complete explanation of his thoughts on you, I'm not saying I think he thinks you're town, I'm saying I want to know all of what he thinks on you.

I didn't respond to your response first because as I think I pointed out somewhere it's rarely useful to get into an argument with the person you're accusing on whether they're scum, you're obviously not going to get them to concede anything and frankly I think VE/WBG and Hiro/Zealos had that ground covered, we didn't need another two players going back and forth on each other.

The purpose of this post isn't to make a case on you it's to look at other people and what they say on you, hence the question at the end, I'm curious as to whether the reason your case didn't gain much traction is because you're scum or because better townie's looked and don't think you're scum. (honestly I was leaning to the second one, that's why I asked two people who I think are town, if I thought it was more likely you being scum I would have asked my scum reads because that puts them in an awkward position if you are scum)

I said you were a stronger read than the other two in part because I'm slow to give up my reads (probably a problem with my play) and in part because if I had phrased it a lot less confidently it would have had even less of an impact. I'm explaining this all now because I admit I did like your response and it pushed you away from a scum read for me and after making that post I actually looked over you again (I noticed what Marvel said a little bit after making that post actually) and between your response and posts since I felt less scummy on you.

So if you're town then Acid I have a question for you, is your biggest scumread still Zelblade? Where would you place Zealos right now? Also what do you think of Froggy?

On May 25 2012 06:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
if he has nothing to hide why is it that whenever marvellosity makes a big post on him, zealos only responds to one small thing that he said?

On May 25 2012 05:38 froggynoddy wrote:
Up until Mouldy flipped town I felt that N_T was just playing aggressively. though badly and I pretty much had a null read on him. When Mouldy flipped town however and NT, almost schizophrenically one might say, toned down the aggression I felt like he had a scum agenda. Though we can be somewhat excused him from voting for Mouldy he made very little attempt to find scum apart from his frankly pathetic attack on myself. Optimally as a townie he should have pushed for whoever he felt was most scum rather than wait for a bandwagon to form on Mouldy and just hop on last minute.

However when he was pressured to make a case from Marv who does he pick? Katina. Probably the easiest case to write as even when she is town she lurks like crazy. It seems like N_T desperately needed a case (see my case on Grush in LIV when I was encouraged by scummate to write a case). Note that similar reasoning could be applied to Hiro, hence my mentioning him quite a few times.

I didn't vote for Mouldy due to not having been able to post since lynch time and his lacklustre play had not occurred when I went inactive.