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On May 26 2012 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: We should kill Acid as well cause he kept trying to find any excuse possible to get away from the zealos lynch. Killing me for making a bad read will not help the town. Let's vig Katina and then we can lynch one of you or VE. I made my case on why at least one of you is scum, I'll dig it up and repost it in the morning if need be. | ||
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On May 26 2012 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote: you can't just lynch one of us, you have to decide which one of us is scum if you actually believe that. So which one is it? Why can't we both be scum? Or town? Since there should be four scum, you need a read from the rest of the player pool too, right? Who would that be? You could both be scum. If both of you are alive by morning, then there will be 0,01% chance in my mind that you are both town. I'm having a hard time reading either of you because you've both been acting like little schoolyard bitches towards each other. If you are both scum, then bravo. Well played. If you are both town, you should both be shot for incompetence. After reading your filter, I'm leaning towards you being town. You pushed pretty hard for Zealos before his vote gained traction, there was really no reason to do that as scum. For the same reason I changed my mind on marvellosity, don't think he is scum. So, Katina and VE and... I'm tempted to say HiroPro, because it would make sense for Zealos to make that gamble once he knew he was going to be lynched (if they are both scum, whichever one we lynch somehow absolves the other?) In the unlikely event where both you and VE are town, then I'd want to look closer at Nova. I'm enclined to think that Tunkeg is just a bad townie, but I thought that about Zealos and I was wrong, so I don't know... | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Most of the thread does - it's why I can't get a damn wagon rolling XD If you really think WBG is scum, why do you think he posted this : On May 25 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Do any of you ever stop to think why Zealos may be impervious to a wagon? Stop to think of why he may not be getting as many votes as we want him to. Stop and reread his posts. At the time, there was no real traction on the Zealos case, so it's not bussing his teammate. | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch? I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. | ||
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On May 26 2012 19:09 Tunkeg wrote: Zealos, froggynoddy, Mattchew, Tunkeg, VisceraEyes, Acid~ These are the players that voted for HiroPro after the DT check. Zealos, Mattchew, Tunkeg, Acid~ are the players who didn't change their vote. I am certain there is at least one scum among the 5 that isn't Zealos, who either voted and switched or voted and stayed. VE I am scratching, same with froggynoddy (even if I am sold on him being town yet). This leaves Mattchew and acid.On Mattchew I have said what I think, at least about what occured before the lynch, I have also said what I thought of his flavor posting and his return to normal posting. Acid I think is a good option, he was pushing the counterwagon on Zelblade together with Mattchew. He was softdefending Zealos in a manner that makes me suspicious. He ended up voting Zealos before the claim, but I think the reason for voting is strange: Add into the mix that Acid left his vote on marvellous day 1, when in the end the lynch was between Jeb and NT, Acids secound biggest scumread. I can not see why a townie wouldn't switch to his secound biggest scumread in a case like this. Overall I would suggest that the Vig, if the vig is shooting tonight, shoots into the pool that voted HiroPro, and more specifically Mattchew or Acid. These are also the two I think a day 3 lynch should be between if a vig don't shoot. Also if either of these flips scum Zelblade should be exonerated, as he was the counterwagon,a nd I doubt scum would push another scum for a counterwagon. Yes, I didn't consolidate day1, and that was a mistake, which is exactly why I *did* consolidate day 2. Maybe my bad play put the fear in me, but in the end there was a 50-50 on both Hiro and Zealos and I did not want to risk lynching a blue role. Of course, you also voted for Hiro after the check but somehow you're above suspicion. I want the vig to shoot Katina, but I wouldn't shed any tears on your cold body. | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote: I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum. Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim. Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty. Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads. As an aside. I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well. Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far. | ||
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On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote: I don't like this '50-50 case'. This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote. I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. | ||
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On May 26 2012 22:09 Tunkeg wrote: Also Acid you are contradicting yourself big time if you say you enjoyed the shit out of Mattchews posting: I'll admit I have a hard time reading these flavor posts as they have some ambiguity to them (hence why I hated them in the first place). But the way I interpret this is that you think Mattchew is being annoying with his flavor posting. Doesn't surprise me. You're much too litteral in your reading. By posting in the same manner as him, I wanted to express support on a personal level. However, I also wanted to point out that his posting could end up being detrimental to town if it pissed off the other townies. | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote: Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case... No, it shows why *you* think it wasn't the case. Am I still allowed to form my own opinions? | ||
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On May 26 2012 21:45 zelblade wrote: Acid same question: Why didnt you doubt the "DT claim" at all? Also who is your strongest scumread? Still me? And tone down on the insults please, no need to start another shitstorm here. It's not that I didn't doubt it. I was more a Pascal's wager kind of thing. Since there was, in my mind, a 50-50 chance of either of them being scum, in the event where I'm right, both outcomes are the same : -we lynch mafia If I'm wrong, one of two things happen : -we lynch Hiro and he is town, we lose a townie. -we lynch Zealos and he is town, we lose a detective. I didn't go for the "strongest read" because I didn't have a strongest read. So I went with the choice that I deemed had the most chance of being favorable to town. You're not my strongest read anymore. You've stopped lurking and are participating in the discussion. I can't say the same for Katina, however. If both WBG and VE live through the night, I will support a VE lynch. | ||
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On May 26 2012 22:56 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg, I think wbg is town and I think VE is scum. | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:07 Tunkeg wrote: My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to: I see no value in getting into a pissing contest with you. Arguing about why you are useless or why I am useless is not going to root out any scum. | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:31 Tunkeg wrote: Hmm, so you wanted to show your support for him by replying to a post where he have basicly called you out for sheeping and for being scum (a wolf). He is calling you a sheep in wolfclothes (or at least thats how I read it, and it makes sense in that perspective). No I think you understood what he meant by it, and replied as you did to discredit him, not to show your appreciation. I interpreted it as him attacking the case against NT. Not attacking my "sheeping" of the case, since 1. I say in the next sentence that it feels too easy and 2. I never "sheeped" on NT | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:39 Tunkeg wrote: I don't want a pissingcontest either, but I want people to explain it when they are undermining me like that. I can't argue with a statement that says: "You are useless", and thats why it is such a cheap way of going at me. If you give your arguements to why I am useless (still no need to use that expression as it just there to devalue everything I say) people can make up their mind whether you are right or wrong, and I can argue with you if I disagree with your arguements. Arguing about whether someone is useless or not brings nothing to the table, I agree, so why use the word? But me calling you out for using this wording will, as I won't let people just throw unreasonable accusations out there, which they can't be held accountable for. I called you useless because someone else asked for my opinion about you. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not calling you scum, so I don't need to make a case. I *will* ignore all further posts from you on this issue. I'm not here to teach you how to play, especially since I'm far from stellar myself. If you want to discuss someone's scumminess, then we'll talk. | ||
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