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Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent:
Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it.
I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Holy moly I have two votes
You're right, I don't, Zealos unvoted me.
no u
My point is that townies should in general strive to be as lucid and clear as possible. Don't give a flying two hoots what you think, if Mattchew just talks in plain text, it will achieve this better than speaking in MTG speak or whatever.
Frankly I'm bored with the sheer quantity of townies who seem to not want to do this. Hence the vote. (ironic)
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
Other than that, I would currently put my vote on Zelblade First off, he comes up with this paragraph O' nothing:
Why is it, might I ask, a pro-town play? Last I checked it doesnt friggin matter if your methods work if youre being totally distruptive, which means no one is going to listen to you even if you get x/x scum correct.
For example in LI Tunkeg decided to post a list about how "good" people were judging by the number of games they have played, and suggested a lynch on Jackal because he was supposedly the worst player in the game according to statistics. I am going to assume this is what he meant to with that that game was simply to draw out reactions, and it didnt work so well, simply due to the fact that that list managed to throw off the thread into a lovely discussion (for scum anyway) about how his way of judging supposed skill level was inaccurate and stuff, how he should change the formula blabla, and basically with a few attacks on his play here and there, he had a decent portion of town thinking he was scum.
I will assume that one would easily see why he would think his stratergy isnt exactly the best when it causes him to nearly get mislynched day 1. Also being able to finger every single scum is great, sure, but would you trust his reads if he shits up the thread?
That being said, how is trying out a new style scummy, might I ask? Sure, it could be scum saying that as a preemptive excuse for different meta, but it could easily be town trying to play better as well. I find it somewhat suspicious that you decided to nitpick on such a thing - considering it isnt all that rare for players to want to try out a new style of play once in a while.
And yea Acrofales was pretty obviously joking around a little with the stats and some other stuff.
All that with no actual opinion, other than just asking a question or so. In fact, looking over it, he hasn't made one decent opinion all game, when it finally came down to it and he had to vote, the best he could come up with was:
On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
Apparently I screwed up that quote tag -_-
Eh I just realised its pluarity lynch lol. I am considering if I should dump my vote on zealos and see if it gains any traction or onto one of the three leading candidates. Kind of a hard decision since I wouldnt mind all of them dying.
Mattchew is still being a pain in the ass, though his posts are starting to get understandable, and he actually has more content than say, mouldy jeb. Probably not the best lynch today, think hes town.
I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.
##vote: Mouldy Jeb
Also I am going to sleep soon (school) so I probably cant change my vote (deadline sucks for me as usual -_-).
A seemingly random vote for me, followed by a load of wishy washy stuff about the lynching system and why he may as well vote for moudly. I'll be very interested to see if he can come up with anything useful to say about anyway. Because for now I'd like to see him dead. Make sure when you make your case, you tell us exactly who you'd like to see dead please, because at the moment you've been sitting on the fence so much your ass will be getting red.
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On May 24 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
I'm thrilled you ask. I present Zealos the Contradictor. Nothing is coherent. The Mouldy Jeb and scumreads affair. Firstly I'm just going to requote my earlier post. Mouldy is a scumread except he's town except he's voting for him except he's not a strong scumread except he is a scumread except he's probably town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
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"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion. Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread. So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound. Check out particularly the things I had bolded in the nested quotes. This ties in heavily to whether or not Zealos has scumreads. Because apparently on day 1 he was happy to lynch someone he thought was bad town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. This post in particular abdicates any duty to search for scum and lynch them day 1. When Zealos left last night, he did not have any strong scumreads (apart from Mouldy. who wasn't actually a strong read. etc). Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s) But what's this? The lynch has passed, Zealos has just woken up - and now he magically has 'pretty good' scumreads. Where did these come from? In his sleep? Why were they not posted, you know, during the time we lynch people? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 'case' on Acro and inconsistent application of arguments: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:
I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos. Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me? Zealos' 'case' on Acro consisted of "you seem to be playing similarly to your scummy meta". He and I may have different interpretations of what means what in Mafia, but this does not a case make. What is Acro supposed to say? Yes? No? Ok? The only part of his case is an attempt at meta. Funny, then, how he completely disregards meta while attacking me. I'm cropping the following post because I'm going to use it again. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
"Could I just point out" he asks innocently. Given how he was so keen to bring up Acro's meta, it's awfully negligent for him to ignore mine. A cursory check on my games indicates I post a lot, regardless of alignment. For example, I have an 8 page filter as my only scum game in LIV in a 79 page game. I have a 12 page filter from LIII when I played town and died just before page 100. I post a lot regardless of alignment. His part on me with relation to Acro: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent: Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it. I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active. Again, he's putting suspicion on to me, but for what? He completely neglects to mention that the part he's talking about, I even provided a direct link to what I said when I last replaced into a game. It seems like a free copout for Acro's posting? What the fuck am I supposed to do about Acro's posting? It's just insidious. And again with the lots of posts comment when if he was consistent he would know that I post like that. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself.
Handily glosses over that I was one of the first players to make a coherent case on Mouldy: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2012 23:01 marvellosity wrote:Just had a good go over Mouldy and I think he might actually be a pretty good lynch. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra I don't understand this. An experienced mafia player would kill nova as a prime target? Unlikely. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 20:54 Mouldy Jeb wrote:tera~ this game is full of people jumping to conclusions so don't get a bit pissed  This implies that his previous post was 'jumping to conclusions'. Basically admitting his last post was rubbish. Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final He's voting for him, but he's not against him? A final sentence indicating he's happy to back down from his vote. Then why make it? Just because other people are doing so? Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:10 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mattchew, just because im considering that my vote may have been based on an ill judgement doesn't mean im scum just means ill have to wait till tomorrow to consolidate all the evidence from each persons posts to conjure up a decision on who to vote for. Ok, we're gonna have evidence consolidated from each person's post leading to a reasoned vote. Glad to hear it. Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:22 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
early game i suspected nova because of rash decision making from his part and myself assuming the worst, matchew voting for me which wasn't given a viable explanation so i would be inclined to vote for matchew due to his random train of thought against others ## vote:mattchew Gonna have to disagree with Mouldy on what consolidated evidence means I think. "inclined" to vote based on "random train of thought against others" - what does this even mean? It rather seems he's jumping on an easy wagon that's already started, because he's been voted against by said player, with a nonsensical reason. Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. ??? Overall - votes for Nova and admits it wasn't a proper vote, wishy washy about what the vote meant - basically his posts are just setting himself up to back down from the vote on Nova. A promise of consolidated evidence instead followed by a vote with a barely understandable explanation. Also going back to my earlier posts, he is hard to understand and does not post his thoughts clearly (well, actually he seems not to have clear thoughts anyway). At this time I would prefer a Jebjeb lynch. His posting both seems scummy while at the same time hard to understand. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: MouldyJeb ------------------------------------------------ In Summary: Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, having formed them in his sleep. He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
Explain again exactly why me muddling up my words on day1 makes me mafia exactly.
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On May 24 2012 02:24 Mattchew wrote:The wizard's spellbook was full of burning questions.Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:
will probably present my thoughts tomorrow. Why
@WBG/VERiches must be divided, but real wealth can be shared.+ Show Spoiler +The pain is so great, he can't help but share it with others. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fgpyX.jpg)
I think this is probably the closest we're gonna get to a normal post from him :X
What are you feelings on ET if we eliminate past games?
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On May 24 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
In Summary:1. Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, 2. having formed them in his sleep. 3.He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, 4.but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
1. This was a jumble of words. I struggle to see why you still try to use this as a case.
2. Cute, you seem to think things through.
3. It was a game I had played with him, and I remembered the start quite well, hence why I used it.
4. As per 3, I didn't "Check" anyones meta, it was just something I happened to remember perfectly from my first game.
Your case almost seemed reasonable apart from the fact your summary does nothing to point me as mafia, instead, it just tries to find flaws in my case against you.
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On May 24 2012 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It looks to me to be a fine summary of the reasons he has come to the conclusion that you're scum. What part of thecJeb case did you most agree with Zealos?
I thought the jeb was the "most likely" candidate for mafia at the time, as he came up with nothing useful, and the moment he was pressured he backed down again. I also felt he was more likely to be town than mafia, but either way was going to be useless.
The reason I got jumbled was that I failed to explain the difference between me thinking he was more likely than not mafia, and me thinking he is the person most likely to be mafia.
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On May 24 2012 06:16 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 04:58 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
It looks to me to be a fine summary of the reasons he has come to the conclusion that you're scum. What part of thecJeb case did you most agree with Zealos? I thought the jeb was the "most likely" candidate for mafia at the time, as he came up with nothing useful, and the moment he was pressured he backed down again. I also felt he was more likely to be town than mafia, but either way was going to be useless. The reason I got jumbled was that I failed to explain the difference between me thinking he was more likely than not mafia, and me thinking he is the person most likely to be mafia. You voted for someone who was more likely town than mafia???
yes.
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On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch
I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched.
Not to mention he was a useless town anyway.
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On May 24 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:12 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go with Zealos because he had concluded that he thought Jeb was likely town, yet thought he was a good lynch I'd have thought that anyone with half a brain would have realized that on a polarity lynch, you vote for whoever is most likely mafia, instead of those who you think are more likely mafia than not. Otherwise someone who is less likely scum imo would be lynched. Not to mention he was a useless town anyway. There's no such thing as useless town, that's an idiotic notion and you should let it go now. Every townie you call useless is one more day we have to find and kill scum...each one we lynch is one lynch that was meant for scum. Stop pushing scum agendas thx.
I like that you ignore the main part of the post, and just focus on the single sentence at the end. Of all the people in the game, he was the one that was the best lynch.
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On May 24 2012 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.
Acid who would you kill today? I'm not surprised. So are you still down with killing one of Zealos/Tunkeg? ##Vote: ZealosI prefer Zealos myself, for the reasons I've stated. I have a sneaking suspicion however that you prefer Tunkeg, am I right?
y b voting for a Townie
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On May 24 2012 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:24 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.
Acid who would you kill today? I'm not surprised. So are you still down with killing one of Zealos/Tunkeg? ##Vote: ZealosI prefer Zealos myself, for the reasons I've stated. I have a sneaking suspicion however that you prefer Tunkeg, am I right? y b voting for a Townie Y B lying Scum?
U B the one spreadin' lies.
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On May 24 2012 07:32 HiroPro wrote:
Stop posting like 5 year olds and read my case.
Your case makes no sense whatsoever. But that might just be me.
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On May 24 2012 07:43 HiroPro wrote:
Thanks for the input, Tunkeg's scumbuddy.
I don't understand the reasoning at all. His number one read died, why does that make him scum exactly?
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If anything it would make it harder for him, as he'll have to find a different target?
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On May 24 2012 07:44 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh. ##Vote Tunkeg This makes no sense whatsoever.
He also Tunkeg's scumbuddy hiro?
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In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads.
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On May 24 2012 07:50 HiroPro wrote:
This entire game Tunkeg has been posting useless stuff. When his scumread dies he can just claim that he needs think about his reads and reevaluate them. All he's going to do is jump on a wagon with some minimal reasoning.
Surely it would be easier to leave his number one scumread alive and just keep repeating what he's already said no?
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On May 24 2012 07:56 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads. Oh I see. Apparently posting cases and reads on the people I think are scum is a scummy thing. Maybe I should go after people I think are town, the way you do?
If you really thought he was scum, you might make a decent effort to convince other people to vote for your read too, thats kind of the point of a town player, right?
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On May 24 2012 08:08 HiroPro wrote:
And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!"). Oh I see. What you have been doing this game other than get into arguments???[/QUOTE]
This is a game of arguments, it's how you root out Hiro
Wait, I mean Scum
##Vote: HiroPro
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Screwed up the post, but you get the idea.
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On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh".
There's no point telling people that you think someones scum if you're not gonna try to convince the town to vote with you, or it's just a waste of a vote.
I guess it would be convenient for the mafia players though, tell the town you think someone is scum, but because you don't make a case, no one else will vote for him, so the player will never die and you'll never get proved wrong.
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