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we wont lynch this grush guy for nothing. even worthless players can be easy to read. And thus they are worthy lol. | ||
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On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote: Hi guys, I'm a vanilla townie, and I'm gonna try not to get too emotionally attached when I play this game, to avoid cluttering. Let's all try and chill, and play nice together, because arguing is not finding scum. Also, in a game this big, can we try to keep posting concise and simple, so the pages don't get into their thousands. I'm currently happy with an ET mayor. From what I know of him, he may not be the best townie in TL, but he's consistent and seems to do a good job of staying cool and hunting scum. I'm on the "Pardoner is bad" boat too, but I'm not sure the best way to deal with it at the moment, but I'm open to ideas. Not starting looking for scum yet, but as a start. @Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? @ET: Who would you vote for Mayor if not yourself? @Mattchew: Do you think the arguments going on are indicative of people being scum, or is it a case of frustrated egos? why do you claim right now? | ||
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Every vote, every post will be looked at and the more information we get, the better we can read you. I can see that someone is town when he comes to the same conclusions as i do; the same ideas etc. You have to explain your thoughtprocess and obviously your votes. It's pretty hard for scum to fake all these things because they already know who is scum and who isn't. And that is where we can see the difference between town and scum. | ||
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may I add, that you didnt answer this question? I think we should lynch you for that nonsensepost. You're talking too much about your mafiaplay there. If you don't end up being EXTREMELY I really won't change my mind. Remember the Annul disaster? - I knew you were red, remember? next time examine the playerlist more carefully. You sir, are screwed. | ||
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I wanna explain you guys what he does there. It's like the opposite of what he's supposed to do as town. As town, you try to prove that you're town. You don't try to convince people to not even try to figure you out. Toad really? If he doesn't provide a real good discussion and a better target than himself, he should definetely hang. To make that sure, I encourage you to vote me for mayor. my campaign: Lynch the selfclaimed scumplayer Toadesstern. | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: I said that because I want to answer the question wether or not I am mafia this game by lynching mafia d1 because apparently people are not able to figure me out no matter of alignment. You're just another proof for that this game :p Easy as that. okay? You basically prove me right there: accusing you for terrible play is not allowed because you're unreadable anyway? | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:17 Toadesstern wrote: yeah, that's not going to work SS  dude okay, I know your townplay. As townie, you'd try to explain things. You lazy scum now try to attack my credibility instead of discussing my points. | ||
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yeah sure. You got a really bad scumplayer in your team who wants to quit the game early?! come on. I'll never buy this shit. We both know, that you dont own the scumteamlist. How can you be so certain about that. Bullshit. Now you're wifoming around - trying to produce some Text to fog the whole case. Provide some analysis. I dont fall for empty words. | ||
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On May 27 2012 23:30 Toadesstern wrote: idk, my last 2 games I was preeeetty hard owning as town. In Storm I gave a list with 5 names of possible mafias which ended up including 3 mafias although VE ended up being MVP that game because he somehow managed to get an even better list making a list of 4 or 5 people that included all 4 mafias (if I remember correclty). In C9++ #2 I said #1 mafia is either A or B, #2 mafia is C, #3 mafia is either D or E while saying everyone else is surely town and it ended up being A, C and E. So yeah I am quite confident that I'll lynch into a mafia d1 right now. what the fuck are you talking about?! I respect you as a good townplayer. And all you posted so far is not fulfilling my expectations. I am pretty confident, that you either have a really bad day or you're scum. | ||
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and we hang this zealosguy who defends you, claims VT and doesnt answer my questions (because he doesnt read the thread). defending townies that screw up a little is a classic scummove. | ||
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On May 28 2012 02:31 Zealos wrote: Because that's my opinion of the game so far. It seems like everyone is ready to jump on, without really looking at rest of the game. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On May 28 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!". Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day. I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here. ##FoS: Toadesstern If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. | ||
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On May 28 2012 05:55 Toadesstern wrote: denying that role is utterly useless. A mafia can't use it before LYLO or he's dead. Both mayor and vice-thingy are highly likely to die early on, at least mayor for sure. Even if mafia gets that role they can't use it because they're trading it for a 1v1 which I am happy to take. Why is everyone so scared about the pardoner. That role is completly useless no matter of alignment. And this is actually something i agree with. The electionroles in this game are basically pretty meaningless. This pardonerguy and this mayor. Pfff i mean, they will die before LYLO anyway so there is really nothing to worry about. | ||
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On May 28 2012 23:05 Toadesstern wrote: For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY why can't you be roleblocked? | ||
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On May 28 2012 23:08 Toadesstern wrote: Told you I'm the most awesome of all the masons. And it's not even the funny secret I kept to myself :p I wanna know more about your role. Can you mason one player each night and you lose this masonbuddy the next night? If you're roleblocked you can still chose one or only talk to someone you chose before. clarify please. | ||
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On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote: Time for a little bit of analysis before I have to get back to work. My Finger of Suspicion points currently at supersoft. This is not a good town attitude. As has been discussed, these roles are super important for town - each of them can pretty much fuck up an entire cycle by denying town info, plus there's the mayor's double vote. yes bla super important bla On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote: I <3 forumite and I agree that he's probably town, but this is a terrible plan. If everyone just votes for their "strongest town read" instead of for one of the actual candidates, then the votes are likely to get very spread out giving mafia a good chance to swing the election by coordinating, either to get one of them elected or just to avoid getting someone they're scared of or who's on the right track elected. wrong On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote: Lol. Kenpachi'd by the kenpachi copycat. And in case anyone doesn't think this works, I got caught by BC with it in SS mafia. It does work, probably because claiming VT is suspicious and weird behavior that scum think they can gain towncred for by calling out. Actually i was once upon a time called out for claiming VT in this prison batman mafia thing Ahm one more thing: It's super annoying that you talk about some SS mafia while you call me SS and while SS originally is the name of a nazi terrororganisation. wtf. I don't want to be called like these idiots. On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote: This also is a bit of an odd post. Why does the fact that Toad claimed mason change SS's impression of his townplay? SS had some really strong reads on Toad, saying things like "I know your townplay." More importantly, SS's points on Toad were 100% right - saying "elect me because I'm unreadable" and "I will magically kill scum on day 1" like toad did are super suspicious! I tend to agree with many people that this leans towards Toad being third party. So why did SS back off here? So you think Toad and I are scum together? Or aren't we? Am I scum and he's thirdparty? How do your theorys fit together? On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote: Also, how did we "force" Toad to claim anything? There was literally no reason for Toad to claim some kind of nonstandard target-changing un-roleblockable "manipulation-proof" (wtf?) mason role, as part of his campaign for Mayor. This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. k. I make a good case and therefor I am scum. Great logic. | ||
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On May 29 2012 06:04 supersoft wrote: yes bla super important bla wrong Actually i was once upon a time called out for claiming VT in this prison batman mafia thing Ahm one more thing: It's super annoying that you talk about some SS mafia while you call me SS and while SS originally is the name of a nazi terrororganisation. wtf. I don't want to be called like these idiots. So you think Toad and I are scum together? Or aren't we? Am I scum and he's thirdparty? How do your theorys fit together? k. I make a good case and therefor I am scum. Great logic. did you ever thought of the most reasonable possibility? I am town and he is town. I attacked him because his first post bugged me. I know him fairly well, we're both german and we were masoned together some games. His following posts were exactly like i expected a worried Toad who realizes that he didnt play optimal to react. And most important he claimed a role. Tomorrow when he has used his role, we will have a lot of information about him. I really don't need more. I don't want to lynch a player at d1 who has the potential to solve the endgame of a mafiagame with reasonable logic. Especially if I have this much information already. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: Strongandbig This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it. The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler + This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta. Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games. Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. and this "case" is poor. I don't know why you people vote this guy into office. Really? Obviously TL towns have changed in my off time... Palmar was a different caliber... | ||
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On May 29 2012 07:45 supersoft wrote: yeah i agree. I think this running for pardoner of SnB is not scummy. + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: Strongandbig This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it. The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler + This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta. Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games. Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. and this "case" is poor. I don't know why you people vote this guy into office. Really? Obviously TL towns have changed in my off time... Palmar was a different caliber... And by the way: Zealos is the proper lynchcandidate for today. | ||
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On May 29 2012 07:46 Forumite wrote: (Everybody buddy me, yay!) you're stealing my Zealos case and give SnB credit for his case on me? You're playing acceptable when it comes down to establish your townieness. Everything else is completely missing. :-( | ||
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How can't you see that zealos is scum?! good god, that's so bitter. | ||
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On May 29 2012 07:55 Forumite wrote: I´m not stealing anyones case, I got an early scumread on Zealos and now I´m telling you about it, if you or S&B or anyone else agree, then I´m happy about that. My first duty is to show I´m town, the second is to find scum. I have to be clear about the first, the second one I prefer to keep to myself until I need to present my reads. Sorry if this makes my filter look a bit thin. nah you're completely right about that. I just wanted to critisize something, to keep you from getting lazy. | ||
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Is there any case? | ||
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On May 29 2012 08:32 Forumite wrote: But I want to be lazy town Point taken. I tried to make a case on Zealos. There´s not much to go on, but the 3 things he´s done in the game look bad. i noticed that :/ you basically copy and pasted my case :D | ||
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you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already. + i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end. i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is. | ||
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but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town. It's not a super strong case, but it is a case. Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. | ||
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On May 30 2012 00:45 jaj22 wrote: I considered defending Toad at that point. Why? Because I am bad fixd | ||
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no wait i filtered you. You're really bad. I first wanted to make a little joke, now i saw it's true. Any defense? Admitting you're scum could help it. | ||
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On May 30 2012 01:39 jaj22 wrote: Anything in particular or just my excessive tendency to defend people? I try to control that. Honestly I'm struggling this game. I have town reads (some only mild, but still) on the few players with a significant post count so I'm concentrating on trying to get everyone else posting. The game is played like that: You copy paste all playernames in an excel sheet. You read the thread and make little notes on your excel sheet (votes/posts/good ideas/bad ideas). Players you identify as town you color green, players that look bad you color red. You compare your reads to the reads of other people. sum up: less blabla. it is SO hard to read the novels you post in here! | ||
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On May 30 2012 01:46 supersoft wrote: The game is played like that: You copy paste all playernames in an excel sheet. You read the thread and make little notes on your excel sheet (votes/posts/good ideas/bad ideas). Players you identify as town you color green, players that look bad you color red. You compare your reads to the reads of other people. sum up: less blabla. it is SO hard to read the novels you post in here! oh wait i didn't wanted to tell you that. I wanted to tell all of you. It was a general thing. The thing i wanted to tell you is: I think your read on sinansisi was really bad. | ||
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On May 30 2012 01:49 supersoft wrote: oh wait i didn't wanted to tell you that. I wanted to tell all of you. It was a general thing. The thing i wanted to tell you is: I think your read on sinansisi was really bad. okay let's play a game: i give you a name and we both write down what we think about his posts and we'll trade it in like 20min (got to eat meanwhile): meapak_ziph | ||
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On May 30 2012 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Supersoft why do you keep quoting yourself and talking to yourself? Are you talking to someone else? yes. jaj22. but it seems like he's not avaliable | ||
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On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: "Lots of people I don't know in this game, I would run for mayor but there are already a lot of candidates and I'd be happy with both ET and wiggles at the moment." On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Dat attitude... Also dat logic failure. You lynch people for acting scummy, not because they fucked you over in the last game. You threw out a huge red herring there by comparing wiggles to grush. Unless wiggles decides to claim scum, I'd bet every penny I own he won't be lynched today. Why? Because wiggles has been posting clearly, coherently, and in a protown manner. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize wiggles is a bad lynch, we're in no danger of "losing him". You're attempting to policy lynch grush (for the record policy lynches are retarded), because he's bad, not because he's scummy. Nobody wants to policy lynch wiggles, thus comparing grush to someone like wiggles is like comparing apples to oranges. If you want to bring an actual case about why grush is scum then please do, until then both you and blazinghand can drop it. there MZ makes sinensis looking worse than he actually is... was... On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Seriously bro, if you're not actually interested in scum hunting then you're not helping the town and would thus make a decent d1 lynch. Does MZ know he's not scum? Hang him because he doesnt hunt, not because he's scum hmmm I thoight this policylynching of bad players is so bad?! wasn't that the main point of the case against sinensis On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: "And please read your own posts, you did compare grush to wiggles:" not really. He distinguished between the two of them. The one is a good and the other is a bad day1 lynch. On May 28 2012 17:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hmmm. Personally if I was pardoner and I felt VERY strongly that the person who was getting lynched was town I would not hesitate to pardon them simply because I still trust my judgement enough to make that call. Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem if someone pardoned someone who I thought was town. That being said, it is just a lot simpler if the pardoner is never used in. Even if a townie dies, information will be gleaned from the flip and we won't waste a cycle debating the action of the pardoner. I agree with that. 100%. On May 29 2012 04:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Don't lynch toad today. There's no need to lynch him now. Tomorrow he'll either be confirmed, dead, or outed. Seeing as he "can't be roleblocked" he'll have no excuses. agree On May 30 2012 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol supersoft you're not ace, stop trying to be. What, you're getting nervous because i randomly picked you? btw. what do you think about zealos. You didn't mention him there: On May 30 2012 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:"Lynches I would be happy with: sinensis, and kita." | ||
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On May 30 2012 02:47 jaj22 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 01:57 supersoft wrote: okay let's play a game: i give you a name and we both write down what we think about his posts and we'll trade it in like 20min (got to eat meanwhile): meapak_ziph Ok, I'll play. Slightly scummy stuff: - Not running for election despite relatively strong standing. - Possible buddying/overpraising of ET, Wiggles and Kita. - Dismisses Toad's case against ET without addressing the points. - Seems to be ok with policy-lynching Sinensis. - Story clearly pictures Kita as depressed town. Soft defence? - Switches Kita to a scum read without explanation. - Avoids giving read on SnB. Excuse that he hasn't read him. - No mention at all of Zealos. On the plus side he's been active and he's contributed on most of the major issues without looking hesitant or indecisive. The lack of reads on SnB and Zealos is by far the worst part. okay cool. I didn't read your post and I am glad we have almost the same/similar result. interesting. On May 30 2012 02:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Supersoft, are you scum, or are you just acting silly on purpose? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote: hey i really appreciate your effort, but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town. It's not a super strong case, but it is a case. Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. Here you say that the case was terrible and sinensis was obviously town. As well, you say that it was a bad lynch. However, when it was actually Day 1, you said no such things. It's only now, after sinensis has flipped that you're coming in here making posts about how he was very obviously town and that the lynch was terrible. The closest (and only!) post to that from before the flip is this: On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote: aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/ In which it is not a very good defense of a player who is "obviously" town. It's not going to do anything to change someone's mind. As well, this came after I said that if elected I would lynch sinensis, so there's no excuse like what you said in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote: please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly. you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already. + i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end. i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is. Of not realizing I was actually going to kill him. I made that very clear in my post, where I stated, "If elected mayor, I'm planning on lynching Sinensis". I don't think it gets any clearer than that. So, you did nothing to try to convince anyone that sinensis was town, which wasn't obvious, considering I had the support of 11 people in lynching him, and you did nothing to convince me to change the lynch. However, after the lynch you're now up in arms about my lynch choice and how I've acted. So, you're either being silly, or you're trying to shovel suspicion on me because I mislynched and just became a lot easier of a target to do so on. Here's a question for you. If you believed so strongly in these things, why do you only mention them after the flip, and not before when it actually matters and can make a difference? I also disagree with what Toad said, but that comes down to what we thought about lynches, and who was a good lynch. Obviously, we disagreed. Okay I have to admit, I really didn't pay enough attention to the votes. I think I already wrote that down somewhere. Bad play. Really. But as far as i know, we discussed zealos as a lynchtarget while you were still around. You didn't react and killed sinesis instead. I dind't pay too much attention, because I thought we could swing something around in the last hour. Somehow i am used to that especially when there is one guy deciding who to lynch. In my eyes the common sense at the end of day1 was that zealos is the best lynch. However you refused to carry out that lynch, you failed and now we're here. Moreover I thought i don't need to defend sinsanis more than that, because we already had a better target. I mean I told you I think he's town. there is not much about it. When I thought about him later more deeply, and reread your cases, I saw that you had nothing real against him. Poor logic and nothing else. Obviously i speak that out. Now you can't turn that around and blame me for not coming forward with that earlier?! I somehow trusted the general consens and hadn't had time yesterday to go into detail. Now I see more clearly and not because sinsasis flipped. You guys were policy lynching him because he wanted to policylynch. That was really bad. Really. Don't argue about that. I am not stupid. On May 30 2012 03:05 strongandbig wrote: As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy. it's not "super scummy". You failed to explain what's so scummy about that. Your assumption that everyone votes anyone is just wrong. It won't happen. The votes will be on a few players, people can reasonable explain why they think that these particular players are town. Regarding the lanchtarget I favored a "democratic" system independant from the mayorelection. In my eyes that would have been the most reasonable thing. | ||
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On May 30 2012 03:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: please go read the thread and come back when you understand what's going on in the game ty in advance for your cooperation PFFFFFFFFFFFFFF i know exactly what you're doing. You're attacking my credibility because I pointed out your flaws. Thanks for claiming scum to me. | ||
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On May 30 2012 03:59 Toadesstern wrote: Neither do I want MZ vigged at all because I am not sure that guy has to be mafia. why not? | ||
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On May 30 2012 04:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hey supersoft, do something useful and write an analysis on me and wiggles. what is this? "write an analysis" I already posted what I think about you an wiggles. Why don't you tell me what you think about wiggles? Do you think it's normal townbehaviour, to be elected to chose the lynch and not participate at the final discussion about it? And another question: Do you REALLY think I am scum?! Or do you even know I am not. | ||
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On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote: aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/ I am going to teach you guys a lesson of the so called "irony": "Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing." - it is like nothing: What can you archieve less with a lynch than reducing the number of palyers posting?! I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, - this is actually not ironic but you cannot have it all :-/ AND THIS IS! | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=237734¤tpage=All http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720 won't be able to be around tomorrow - only phone. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:51 Mattchew wrote: It could be true... It also could be shooting a solid vet before he has the chance to make reads... I think gambit needs to die that was the first thing that popped into my mind when i read wbgs logic. as scum i'd shoot wbg instantly... i am going to look at the facts later. got university right now | ||
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On May 30 2012 21:41 Toadesstern wrote: Hey Gambit could you do me a favor and tell me the name of the character you are? Just the name, no need for role or something like that. don't act so mysterous... | ||
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MZ took a hit wherebugsgo took a hit both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now. On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote: Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died. _________ i need to figure some things out. "Regarding Sines: I understand that from what you and BH have said, you have a lot of emotion and reason for frustration. But as BH has admitted, grush appears to be trying to be more useful. It is highly dangerous to suggest that lynching someone for past instance and who at this point hasn't proven scummy is better than letting them live --- this kind of lynch you are pushing would hurt us; we should lynch scummy behavior not past bad behavior. Until a player starts aggressively spamming scummy distraction/nonsense, do not suggest they are more harmful alive than dead. Ironically, I believe so far Sines has been more harmful than grush." yeah that carefully accusing/lynchpushing is scummy... However he's a lynch not providing much information about other players. I want to have a second look into wiggles and zealos. | ||
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On May 30 2012 23:08 Mattchew wrote: I didn't even wait for WBG to claim his hit, how is that panicking... Did you read the post in context to the entire thread or just in my filter or quoted somewhere? fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude. | ||
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On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote: You're so smart. Yes, i read that genius post of you in the context. Noone had claimed so far. In fact, you claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. My stupid assumption is based on the fact that the Scumteam knows who they hit. So obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. EDWOP >:-( | ||
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I want wiggles or zealos. But I haven't connected the dots yet. I need some free time to sit down and work on my list. I really have a hard time to analyze the people with that huge novelstyle posts. Most of it is usually completely useless blabla. Almost never is anything valuable in it. | ||
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On May 31 2012 00:28 Mattchew wrote: As a side note I am not offended by this at all. I did not realize that the hit notices went out after my post, care to explain how you knew this because no where in the thread is this posted. Also, what I am saying is that as scum, why would I claim a fake hit that I KNOW can be EZ mode outted as a lie because WBG and MZ are alive. My move was to try and catch someone that knew more than townies about the night shots. SnB was that person, he couldn't keep his information to himself. Whether it was to look smarter when WBG inevitably claimed his hit and then a vig claimed mine or because he wanted to out the vig that shot me or to try and push a mislynch onto me for lying, his intentions and knowledge behind his post about me being shot were clear; He knew that I was not shot by scum in a time where the information available to the thread would not lead one to such conclusion nvm. you dont understand my thoughtprocess and the pros for a scumteam to have one of them fake a hit. i draw that comclusion, because you keep repeating the same things i already read. on the other hand you're probably telling the truth now. i think your town gj. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + "So let’s go over what’s wrong with this. On the surface it’s yet another jab at toad. However if you read closely, he’s now left his previous argument that toad is lying about his claim aside, and is instead focusing on the negative side effects having mason toad elected as leader. So without warning, VE has completely thrown away his earlier line of attack on toad and is now coming at him from a different angle. That’s not the only thing wrong with this post. VE is blatantly fear mongering as he talks about the dangers of toad being manipulated by the mafia. Toad’s mason power doesn’t kick in until the next day (not rocket science, just how masons work), so the chance of scum manipulated who he lynches is nil. This post serves no purpose but to sling mud at toad. Similar to what VE’s been doing all game long, except without warning he’s suddenly accepted toad as a mason and is fear mongering with implausible scenarios." I like that part. The risk of manipulation is extremely low and only a godlike scumplayer could pull that of. But if VE is scum. Why is he interested that Toad isn't elected... Is it because the scumteam already had a candidate running for office? WIGGLES? is that thought too complicated? | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:11 jaj22 wrote: Given how hard VE has spammed on day 2, it's possible that he was just spamming on any workable topic rather than with a particular agenda. I'm not liking Wiggles much atm though. Too few posts, too carefully written. MY theory bases on the assumption that Zealos is scum. Independant from that VE looks bad. I recommend everyone to read MZs there are some really nicely done parts. + he refuses to say anything about zealos. If both are scum, I think it's highly likely that Wiggles is scum: scumVE has no reason to attack people running for election if there is no scumcandidate running with a fair chance of winning. Wiggles doesnt participate at the endday1 discussion about zealos despite of the fact that zealos was a better target than sinanses... Wiggles is the scumcandidate. __________________________________ zealos needs to die first. | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:18 Toadesstern wrote: see. That's town VE. But that could be faked now that I mentioned it I should have just shut up and kept telling people to do what I want them to do instead of explaining why. + the timing is awkward. Right after MZs post... | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:22 EchelonTee wrote: So your logic is 1. lynch Zealos 2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here. I know. But far too late. At this point of times there was no denyal that Zealos looked bad. It was just obvious. He really looked bad. However VE just mentions that fact but doesnt do anything about it.+ Moreover: GambitX32 - (4) Blazinghand VisceraEyes Mr. Wiggles Ange777 Zealos - (3) marvellosity Toadesstern wherebugsgo Dont you think it's remarkable that he refused to switch so far? even after we got toad claiming that Gamb is mason... and even wbg switched on zeal. | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote: Thanks, that is all I wanted. Like I said it was bugging me that is all. i have a different explanation. You were blue fishing weren't you? Docs and Jailers should get a PM if the save something, too right? | ||
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On May 31 2012 09:12 Probulous wrote: So by asking super how he "knew", I was checking whether he is Jailer or Doc and got a late PM? Ok I see that. That was not the reason for asking but I can see his point. of course not. | ||
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4. Zealos 28. VisceraEyes 13. Probulous scumteam! I really don't care which one of them we lynch today. I prefer Zealos and give VE a chance to shoot Wiggles tonight. Watchers obviously on VE. We don't want the "roleblocker" to deny the party. | ||
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On May 31 2012 19:24 Hyaach wrote: Lynch Zealos, ask VE to kill Gambitx32. Pay attention to wiggles vote. Get a watcher to track VE and account for KP tomorrow. wrong. Get VE to shoot wiggles. VE wanted to lynch gambit. I really think gambit is a dead end. | ||
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On May 31 2012 20:01 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah honestly if Wiggles flips town VE shooting him proves nothing. We need VE to shoot someone and have that person flip scum to confirm his role. yes sure, but Wiggles and VE aren't both town. | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:51 VisceraEyes wrote: OH LOOK WIGGLES IS BACK HI WIGGLES OH WIGGLES IS LEAVING SURPRISE SURPRISE! I'd shoot Wiggles tonight if you guys let me live. I'm done with his BS. this. (but only if he flips red you live) | ||
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Why we don't lynch VE today: VE is scummy as hell, no doubt about that. even i think he's scum for like 90% BUT he has one chance to prove us all wrong: he shoots his bullet into the scumteam. the possibility of a watcher should enable him to get his shot. As long as he still owns a bullet he should live. EVERYONE, take your votes away from VE. (phonepost) | ||
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But if he - against all odds - actually is a vig, he can prove us all wrong by hitting scum. Simple logic. Because we're not in a rush, and there are 5 other scumteammembers to catch, we give him that chance. We lynch the guy today, who would have been lynched tomorrow instead of VE. We have enough time to find and discuss a better target than VE. The only advantage of your plan, MZ, is that we might reduce the KP of the scumteam faster with your plan, if VE is scum and we don't kill scum today but with the additional information of VEs death and the nightactions we kill scum tomorrow, your plan would be superior. However I am confident, that we're able to find scum today. | ||
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ah shut up scum! really. | ||
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On June 01 2012 10:23 Probulous wrote: Again, no explanation, no case. Nothing. This is undermining 101. When I push him about it You're a joke. | ||
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On June 01 2012 10:41 Probulous wrote: That is not very nice. Can you please explain why you disappeared from the thread for 14 minutes in which time VE was misslynched and then miraculously appeared 3 minutes too late? You ask the wrong questions. Better ask yourself why I found scum and you didn't. On June 01 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Herpa derpa herpaaaa derpa herpa ferpa shmerpa Gambit is like 95% scum. Kita probable scum. jaj possibly scum. Papa maju possible scum. Everyone else is either town or worthless, tending more toward the worthless side. We need to talk more. Not now. Too late for me. | ||
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On June 01 2012 11:32 strongandbig wrote: It's not too early of a bus if it was clear that zealos wasn't really going to play the game anyway. (hint: he just got modkilled for not voting. Bet you a dollar he was posting in their QT just as little as he's been posting in this thread.) I bet a dollar, that I won't get lynched this game. | ||
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I played only one real scumgame and I won that, i think it was a smaller game, we were 3 scumteammembers. | ||
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I gave supersoft a pass on his N1 play" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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I really wanted to play lategame :-( | ||
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However it was really fun this game to save WBG... pretty cool to gain extra information by such things... | ||
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