TL Mafia LV

On May 31 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote:
VE do you have any bullets left?

Town people, what is the argument against giving VE a target tonight and lynching zealos or gambit? I get that we still won't be sure of VE's alignment if his target dies and flips town, since scum could divert a kp; but how is forcing scum to divert a kp to someone we might otherwise mislynch not a huge win for town?

On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately

I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach

On June 02 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I haven't been lurking, I just haven't been around and have been busy the last couple days. I can't post when I'm not home, or doing something else.


You didn't answer my question. You nearly ended up causing a no-lynch, so I'm wondering what was going through your head at the time. There's no way you'd actually get enough people to switch within 5 minutes to be able to kill Gambit, but you still posted this, egging people on to switch with you:

So I'm wondering what exactly were you trying to do? Just make a statement? What? Obviously he wasn't going to die, so what else were you trying to accomplish? The only thing it could have ended with is a no-lynch, was that what you were shooting for?

On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed.

I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started.

I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that.
Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!"
I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to.

If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia.
If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will.

That's it. Vote me pls ❤

On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Not much substance to this post, but here are my thoughts for alternative candidates.

Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking.

GambitX32's two posts look as if he knew he would be expected to share his opinion, but had nothing to say, so he just made a few generic statements about a bunch of players. I don't see anything of value that his post adds to the thread.

I'm unwilling to trust Wiggles, but I'm unable to put together anything close to a valid case against him. With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader.

S&B and Manason are still sketchy. I want a more developed case from each of them that adds something to the thread.

On June 06 2012 22:59 Toadesstern wrote:

I already quoted the post 2 times...
Night 2: WBG
Night 3: Jaj22

On June 07 2012 07:57 Probulous wrote:


Why does it matter to you? Either you think Toad is scum (in which case give us a reasonable scenario where this is possible) or you are digging for useless information and discrediting Toad for no reason.

If you think Toad is town, than tell me why this information is so important to you?

On June 06 2012 19:57 Toadesstern wrote:

I haven't read those games but yeah if there's only few vets in the game there won't be mafia vets most times and you make it look like there were few vets in those games. If there's 2 or less vets in general it's usually no mafia vet. About 1/3 or 1/4 of vets usually "should be" mafia. If you don't even have 3 or 4 vets in a game a mafia vet would be "imba" because they shoot the other town vet n1 and instantly win the game that way. Just look at WoF and what happened after Rad and I died... 3 fucking nolynches in a row (kind of, a mislynch inbetween because town was furstrated) because noone knew what to do anymore with Rad and myself being dead.

It's a bit tricky because WBGs C9++ games tend to be completly true randomized for example and so are other games but most people see to it that it's even vet-vise.

So basicly I completly disagree. We NEED a scumvet. There's no way greymist will make a game that is 6 newbies vs Toadesstern, Supersoft, Mr. Wiggles, Forumite, kitaman27, VisceraEyes, (Kenpachi) and all of them are town.
Yes I know foru flipped 3rd party but as far as I understood it was town favored 3rd party and we're still missing the mafia favored 3rd party.
Especially with WBG replacing in as town as well.

On June 06 2012 23:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Actually screw everything I said about myself, about austin or about kita. We're NOT lynching kita today.

I have the most awesome plans of them all to combine all of our problems.
Kita claimed medic and mafia already lost their RB.
Here's the plan

• Lynch someone who's nick is not kita (right now it looks like mana although I'd prefer maju)
  
• I call out who I will mason at the very beginning of the night, OPENLY and I will choose to most townish looking guy around.
  
• If kita is a town medic he will medic that dude no matter what.
  

Either way we're good.:

• If the dude survives because they went for 2 other guys I'm not only confirmed but also mod-confirmed townie while kita remains the same as before. At the same time mafia went for 2 people who are looking not so townish which I am totally fine with.
  
• If the dude gets hit by one shot and kita saved him Kita's good and and I am mod-confirmed although that's not going to happen because no way mafia is that stupid.
  
• If the dude gets doublestacked Kita remains the same as before, will claim he mediced him no matter if he's town or mafia. I am still confirmed town just not mod-confirmed but we lost 1 townie instead of 2. I am very much liking that scenario as well.
  
• If we see 2 people dead and one of them is the dude kita was suppossed to protect / I masoned he's a goner.

Can anyone see drawbacks to that plan? I like it very much atm because we're probably going to maka mafia shoot into people they don't want to shoot or make them doublestack when they don't want to.

On June 07 2012 08:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Whatever. I'm going to mason our claimed DT Probulous (not allowed to use blue lol) and I want Kita to protect him no matter what.

Either we're only going to lose one dude or we're losing two unimportant dudes or we're getting mafia with Kita.

On June 07 2012 08:43 Toadesstern wrote:
and don't talk to people who don't read the read. Link them to the 5 times where everything has already been explained and tell them to read the thread. That's how you deal with people not reading.

It just makes no sense to talk to those people because nothing they say makes sense due to the lack of information they have. So even if you don't believe me when I say hyaach is mafia the guy has no information about what's going on right now because he chooses to not read which makes him an unqualified "partner" for discussing reads anyways. Not that we should do that right now anyways.

UNLESS of course both (austin and Hyaach) are doing a Toad from n1 here. People reading the thread will know what I am talking about. Mafia don't because they don't pay attention LOL

On June 02 2012 12:15 kitaman27 wrote:


Gambit isn't playing this game. At this point, I'd like him to do a "share my opinion on every player in the game" type post or something, so at least we have something to go by. I couldn't say he was scum or town with any confidence right now.

On June 04 2012 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Well this has been a pretty worthless day three.

I'll swap over to Gambit since the last thing we need is a RoL 2.0, but I'd still like to hear thoughts about Wiggles, Hassybaby, sToFu, and Kenpachi. It's going to be incredibly disappointing if gambit was a townie who decided to simply evade the modkill requirements without posting for three cycles.

Unfortunately, I have to head out in about a half an hour and may not be back until around seven. Don't mislynch me while I'm gone -_-

On June 06 2012 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Eliminating myself, Toad, and Meapak we have a pool of 11 players where the remaining four scum players reside. I have also removed Prob and Hassy. While he has not been confirmed 100% as a detective and the alignment check on hassybaby may be masked by a godfather cover, I do not believe they should be considered for lynch today. Additionally, as an anti-scum lyncher has already flipped, I think it is extremely likely that an anti-town lyncher is still in play. That leaves 5 out of 9 anti-town players in the following pool:

6. Hyaach
7. marvellosity
10. austinmcc
12. MajuGarzett
18. papapanda
22. Mr. Wiggles
24. Manason
26. EchelonTee
30. Kenpachi

I have read throug each player's filter and removed the players I have some degree of town read on.

austinmcc has shown signs that he cares about town and has shown motivation to scum hunt, he has defended zealos in order to push a gambit lynch. It seems unlikely that a mafia player will defend a scumbuddy, while pushing another scumbuddy. Finally, his silly conspiracy theory about a toad, meapak, kita scum group seems town to me.

marvellosity shows signs of frustration with inactivity and looks good after pushing the zealos lynch. In addition, he is the only player to have a back and forth conversation with zealos. His recent play has been less convincing, but I'm willing to put him off for later.

6. Hyaach
12. MajuGarzett
18. papapanda
22. Mr. Wiggles
24. Manason
26. EchelonTee
30. Kenpachi

I'm strongly considering pusing Kenpachi for the following post:



It seems pretty clear that the mafia team has a limited number of players with 20+ games experience based on the flips and identities of confirmed power roles. Pushing this sort of policy as a member of a mafia team of players such as gambit and zealos allow the vets to be at each others throats, while the quieter players sneak by.





Furthermore, Kenpachi wants to remind us that he found zealous scummy, without actually pushing a zealos lynch.

The last two cycles he has done nothing but taunt me about my lynch, with no consideration that I could be town. He is always a tough read, but he is not a player I want around for endgame.

Wiggles I still feel is a good lynch. As I look through his posts, I really strugle to find town tells that show that he has the towns best interest in mind. Every single cycle he has taken a backseat role, only taken the time to comment about irrelevant information, lacking in true contribution. I would like to do a follow-up post to my previous analysis of wiggles, but this took too much time.

Please everyone respond to this post. The day is nearly half way over and we have gone absolutely nowhere. Does nobody care about this game?

On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote:
Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid?
However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch.
What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p).
[b]Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi).

[B]On June 06 2012 15:21 papapanda wrote:
-snipped-
Regarding current vote:
Consider my vote on kita right now. I like the plan to switch to votes mana if no other medic claim.

On June 08 2012 13:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Not to sound like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat as well but I actually like the "wiggles is gf" theory.

On June 08 2012 02:06 Hyaach wrote:
Before I go to bed, i was initially suspicious of Wiggles for his absence and just popping in at the right time jump on the ship that has just sailed off. But his case on Maju over Manason made me thought different. His town to me right now

Papapanda has no stance to take. He FoS me and phagg over Zealos to create a distraction. Granted we were all lurking but why us over Zealos when the attention on Zealos was heating up? And we know phagg and zealos flipped out to be.
his vig proofing plan is flawed. Why waste a block at night to confirm a vig? just shoot the scummiest person alived.

Then he soft-defending wiggles against SS.
VE's mess came up and he scream to vote wiggles
what Papa does 24 hour later after soft defending wiggles?
he spread a little shadow over wiggles but never voted for him but for VE?
Why? so he can backtrack if somehow VE crawled himself out of the mess and attention went on wiggles?



and yet he was trying to spread it just minutes ago.
Scum just goes with the flow and often does not have a train of thought.

After that it was bandwagons and more rope throwing so he could back track if need be.



basically his fine with whoever as long as its not him.

On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote:
Mod Messages


Player List

1. Mattchew, The earthling was killed night 2
2. Blazinghand as Lard Nar, Leader of the Resisty (Mad Hatter), was killed night 2
3. Hassybaby
4. Zealos as Invader Spleen (Mafia Goon) was modkilled day 2
5. phagga the earthling was modkilled day 2
6. Hyaach
7. marvellosity
8. grush57, The earthling was killed night 2
9. Cwave The earthling was modkilled day 2
10. austinmcc
11. GambitX32as GIR (roleblocker) was lynched day 3!
12. MajuGarzett
13. MidnightGladius Replaced by Probulous
14. Toadesstern
15. Supersoft as Ms. Bitters (Jailer) was killed night 2
16. sToFu, The earthling, was modkilled day 3
17. Sinensis, The Earthling, was lynched Day 1
18. papapanda
19. jaj22The Earthling, was killed night 3
20. Ange777, The earthling, was modkilled day 3
21. Wherebugsgo, The earthling, was killed day 3
22. Mr. Wiggles
23. Forumite as Tak (Assassin), was killed night 1
24. Manason, The Earthling, was lynched day 4
25. strongandbig, The earthling was killed night 2
26. EchelonTee
27. kitaman27
28. VisceraEyes as Gaz (Vigilante), was lynched day 2
29. Meapak_Ziphh
30. Kenpachi


Replacements

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3.
4.

Players Remaining: 13/30

Irkens Remaining: 4/6

On June 11 2012 19:32 Toadesstern wrote:


dude. The mafia guy claimed mafia and pointed a finger to help us and show us where we need to vote.

On June 12 2012 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
Thankfully I'm not scum.

My main worry/paranoia is that somehow we get it wrong on ken/wiggles. But I think if Mr.2-vote Wiggles is alive after we lynch papa and Hyaach then I will be feeling much more confident.

On June 14 2012 09:20 austinmcc wrote:
Right now I'd prefer a Wiggles lynch to Hyaach, because I'm finding Wiggles scummier and I'd also prefer to get rid of the scummy player with 2 votes over the scummy player with 1 vote.

Can get on board with either order, but would prefer Wiggles --> Hyaach.

On June 19 2012 01:30 marvellosity wrote:


welcome to fullsized normals :D