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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
How much time left? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
On May 29 2012 06:57 Hassybaby wrote: Side note: ET where the fuck was your team in the TL Dota2 Open? + Show Spoiler + I completely fucked up and didn't have times right... felt like shit. Should've messaged you after. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
ET, why do you want to lynch SnB? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
I'd also like to register my disapproval of Mattchew's play, or lack of it. I don't think a lurker lynch is a bad choice here, partly because I have no idea what Sinensis is thinking. According to the day post there's 35 minutes left. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
The reason why I don't particularly want to lynch Mattchew atm is because he is probably just busy. He has played active scum games before, so him just lurking =/= scum. Uncharacteristic though, for sure. I would be ok with a Zealos lynch, but it doesn't have much grounding atm. If I was elected, Zealos would probably be my 2nd choice. I don't agree with a Sinensis lynch because I don't think he is scum, but it stands that he is not very contributive and his death wouldn't be as bad as whiffing a lynch on say, Toad, but I don't agree with the lynch. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Wiggles what do you think of Mattchew? I really dislike its length. I don't think his filter's very good. He looks like he's just posting enough to stay with the flow of the game, but that's it. If he doesn't step up his play on Day 2, it could be that he's lurking scum. I'm not sure if you're implying he should be lynched today or not, but I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching him yet. He's been pretty inactive, so that makes it much more of a coin-flip on Day 1 than lynching someone who actually has posted enough to get a decent read on. On May 29 2012 07:26 jaj22 wrote: @Wiggles: You're allowed to vote for yourself. Greymist confirmed earlier. I'd also like to register my disapproval of Mattchew's play, or lack of it. I don't think a lurker lynch is a bad choice here, partly because I have no idea what Sinensis is thinking. According to the day post there's 35 minutes left. I know I'm allowed to vote for myself, but I'd rather vote for ET as a sign of good faith, and to actually have something to tangibly hold me to my support of him in office. Also, while I believe ET is town, I wouldn't complain if I ended up as pardoner, because I can only be 100% sure about my own alignment. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 29 2012 02:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, some people have commented on either thinking that sinensis or strongandbig aren't the best lynch for today. However, between the two, who do you think is the better lynch? If you don't think either of them are good lynches, who do you think is? This is your chance to get your thoughts out in the thread and let us know what you think. Also, try to give reasons too, not just a name. Since my vote's on you and you asked, I'll respond a little further. I'm still against a sinensis lynch. His tunneling doesn't tell me anything, wanting to policy lynch doesn't tell me anything here, and so he doesn't seem like a good lynch to me, or a better lynch that other options. See previous post for more specific thoughts - + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 21:55 austinmcc wrote: As far as Sinensis goes, I don't find him a good lynch candidate at this point. He's been entirely transparent with his reasoning for wanting to be mayor, and to the extent that it's a ridiculous campaign, Blazinghand had the same one. If we take Sinensis's comments at face value, he doesn't even care if he or BH get elected, so long as it's someone from the lynch-Grush party. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 13:25 Sinensis wrote: I would settle for being your VP if it means killing grush. On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote: I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing. If you don't vote for me, I encourage you to check out BlazingHand's platform because killing grush N1 really is the best move for town. I'm not for lynching Grush D1, but I also don't want to lynch someone for wanting to lynch Grush. The more troubling part of the tunneling is that, as has been mentioned, Sinensis can run for mayor without addressing anything else other than his desire to lynch Grush. I care less about what he would do given Grush v. a somewhat scummy candidate for lynch, because I'm willing to put some merit in the argument that someone absolutely unwilling to help town shouldn't be left sitting around. At this point, if he tunnels Grush, we continue to pester him about tunneling Grush. If he backs off of Grush, I'm not entirely confident we wouldn't find that suspicious (See strongandbig running for pardoner, finding out it was a single vote, and pulling his name, but players not accepting his reasoning to pull out). I'd prefer that he were posting and trying, but I can see why doing so might seem futile or might seem like it would just add more fuel to the lynch-Sinensis fire. As for strongandbig, I don't find his running for pardoner scummy, we've had other players speak up and say they didn't see how the vote for mayor/pardoner was working, and so that part of his explanation looks believable. Nobody has come out and said pardoner is a pro-town role, but, assuming that someone had to get elected to it, it would make sense for someone from town to run for that job. Sure, the role may be useful to scum or useful to a lyncher to hold a day hostage in order to get his candidate lynched, but townies should be running for it as well just to keep the alternatives from happening. Apart from that, he's responded to ET's case, bolded you to read it as well, and presented some alternative reads. Given that, neither of them would be my preferred target. However, maybe I'm overwhelmed by the amount of posting from some players, or perhaps it's just the holiday/having lots of lurkers, but I haven't developed any strong scum reads as alternatives. That's entirely unhelpful, but true. I considered de-voting you, but ET is the only other real candidate and I still don't want to vote him mayor. Enough other players are finding your targets scummy that I'd prefer to vote you mayor despite my misgivings on the lynch targets. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
 I think Zealos, or barring him a lurker, is a better lynch. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Things like this, it´s just bad! Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote: Things like this, it´s just bad! good man forumite. Right now it looks like we'll be in for 6 modkills :/ | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: Strongandbig This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it. The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler + This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta. Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games. Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. and this "case" is poor. I don't know why you people vote this guy into office. Really? Obviously TL towns have changed in my off time... Palmar was a different caliber... | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:45 supersoft wrote: yeah i agree. I think this running for pardoner of SnB is not scummy. + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: Strongandbig This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it. The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler + This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta. Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games. Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. and this "case" is poor. I don't know why you people vote this guy into office. Really? Obviously TL towns have changed in my off time... Palmar was a different caliber... And by the way: Zealos is the proper lynchcandidate for today. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: (Everybody buddy me, yay!)good man forumite. Right now it looks like we'll be in for 6 modkills :/ | ||
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Forumite
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:47 Forumite wrote: Wiggles, if you became Mayor, who would YOU lynhc? Nevermind, you allready said Sinensis. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 29 2012 07:46 Forumite wrote: (Everybody buddy me, yay!) you're stealing my Zealos case and give SnB credit for his case on me? You're playing acceptable when it comes down to establish your townieness. Everything else is completely missing. :-( | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
How can't you see that zealos is scum?! good god, that's so bitter. | ||
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