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On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK? What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ? And no I can't be RB'ed.
Actually screw that. I was just told my action is roleblockable. Or it's not and I'm only telling you that to draw the roleblock.
But it's a night action, right? :p
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I can answer that one: It's SS
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On May 28 2012 08:43 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute. Okay you want to take a mafia out, do you have any scumreads yet? Why do u want to be mayor so bad? You wouldn't get shot(most likely) if you didn't claim Mason. It only makes sense if you are a lyncher.
I think I would have been shot either way, which was the reason for the claim. I intended to claim n1 in case of surviving n1 but once people said (hey there SS) they're running for mayor on the base of lynching me I thought screw this it's not a big deal anyways.
I'd say I'm within the top3 or top5 guys that are likely to be shoot at night. Considering that there's AT LEAST 4 KP around on n1 and that I probably won't get protection over people like wiggles or VE I'd say I'm dead either way.
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but yeah I agree, we need a lot of people to start posting. There's so many people you haven't posted and the read I have on ET is only a "yellow" one for me although that's the best thing I have right now (together with a 2nd one) because half of the guys haven't started posting and it's possibly that the majority of anti-town roles are hiding and watching while me smash at each other.
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On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win.  For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;(
typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias.
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On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others.
yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol.
Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D
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On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town?
it refers to you being weird.
Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town.
Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town:
The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1.
The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot.
If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well.
So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger.
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On May 28 2012 09:17 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town? it refers to you being weird. Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town. Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town: The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1. The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot. If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well. So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger. So you want a good scumhunting vet to get shot?
nah I want a good scumhuntig vet to take a mafia down with him before being shot either way.
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On May 28 2012 10:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:39 jaj22 wrote:On May 28 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Also I have a super secret I haven't told about my super awesome powers which works against manipulation.
Ugh, AC flashbacks. I'm not really feeling this ET case. The main arcs seem to be: 1. Manipulating newbies by... promising to listen to them and not just dismiss them as useless? Fine by me. Wish everyone did that.2. Overstating the importance of the elected roles. True, but I'm not sure how this is a scumtell. 3. Not having much in his filter apart from mayor-agenda. Yeah, because it's all from three hours into the game. Not that ET's filter is squeaky clean (the part where he draws BH away from strongandbig is particularly interesting), but as you should have noticed, it's tough to campaign without doing anything suspicious. On that note, I'd be surprised if scum made much of an attempt at the elections. Without bodyguards, the risk (from campaign scrutiny) surely outweighs the reward. I think only the most ballsy scum players would bother. 1) is not manipulative toward newbies but towards everyone else. 2) well It's a mior point if he keeps ignoring contribution and talks about non-isssues instead 3) yeah agree About the last phrase: I'd say we should definitly look into people running for election without having a serious chance or without taking it serious. BH and Sinensis come to my mind on that matter because noone is going to vote something like that although it looks "brave" to troll like that because they'll get heat for that either way. So I agree, if someone is in that grey zone of "I am running for mayor" but isn't really that would be something to look for as well. On the first phrase: What alignment did I have in AC? :p I guess jaj not necessarily drawing any conclusions, but he mentioned it and then Toad dismissed the idea that it was manipulative towards newbies.
I was the one saying it is manipulative in the first place. It's obviously manipulative for newbies as well but that's so obvious you don't have to talk about it (as proven by you). The scary part is the manipulation towards not-noobies because apparently everyone things "aaaah, that's a nice guy! Such a nice guy can't be mafia! He wants to support newbies, surely a mafia could not say something like that!". Which is the reason I emphasized the manipulation on not-newbies as well because it's more subtile and more dangerous if it's really meant to be that way.
Should probably not have said "it's not manipulative towards newbies" but something like "it's also (and more importantly) manipulative towards everyone else as well".
My bad.
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Also lol VE, MZ AND Wiggles ninja'ed me. Should not have gone sleeping lol.
Yeah I agree Kita looks pretty bad right now.
S&B looks pretty bad as well.
I don't want Sinensis lynched yet, he's playing way to bold for a mafia imo. So unless someone tells me that's his usual mafia meta I'd rather keep him for another day
So basicly I'd be willing to vote anyone willing to lynch into Kita / S&B / ET. Kita being the safest bet right now I guess.
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On May 28 2012 21:49 Forumite wrote:You and supersoft have a weird love/hate relationship in this game. If you are trying to distance yourself from a scumbuddy, then you are doing it wrong. Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum. D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed. If Toades flip Scum, then X is ScumIf Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed MasonUsually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote:
1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election. But, but, sigh... ##Unvote: strongandbigShow nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote:
Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas?
VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day. Why should he stick up for himself? You want to lynch him without a case, so there´s really no reason for him to defend himself. I liked ETs play, and either him or Wiggles would make a fine Mayor. ##Vote: EchelonTee
SS was the first to pick the "i am town" up from Kenpachi and talk about it if I remember correctly. Kenpachi-strategy. That's why I said Kenpachi things he is mafia.
Not sure if I'd agree as I see several points in SS' play that makes me think he's town but also several things that make me think he might try to buddy up or he just believes me idk. I guess that's what you are referring to when you said love/hate relationship?
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On May 28 2012 22:39 Forumite wrote:
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Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing.
I never called him scum. I said that Kenpachi thinks he's scum.
I called him weird so far.
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and not to mention: I just can't be scum.
I'm either town (duh...) or a lyncher. Either way I'm going to die early because I am either a confirmed townie and you failed to vote a modconfirmed townie or I'm a lyncher who can't produce a mason result.
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On May 28 2012 22:55 supersoft wrote:
uhm... forumite you're town right?
yeah sadly
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I'd actually rather vote forumite into an office than ET right now.
Of course I still want to lynch d1 myself because I'm awesome but there's a bunch of people saying it's dangerous:
Wiggles says I can only be town or lyncher concluding I am lyncher and therefore can't be voted into office
VE says I can only be town or lyncher, concluding I am town but it's to dangerous to vote someone who is shot n1 anyways into office because he might end up being influenced ALTHOUGH I HAVE A FUCKING ANIT-MANIPULATION POWA
Forumite apparently thinks I am mafia taking the all-in for no reason although I explained A LOT why I am really confident in my mafia play which should bring you to the conclusion, that I would be running for the long game as mafia.
It's funny because everyone has another conclusion which basicly rules out the other conclusions and noone thinks of me as a simple, plain townie who wants to ensure a townie gets voted into an office.
VE remember that one game with 3 vets that rules town with an election? I think it was foolish, BC and someone else... not sure who it was.
I am quite shocked you don't see the resemblence to your play in me this game.
If I remember correctly you fakeclaimed Dayvig who screwed up his shooting-pattern and because that happened you decided to not shoot as a townie to make sure a townie gets elected because you knew your own alignment. Yeah I called you mafia that game because I called your fakeclaim (that's the game SS and I masoned... I really can't remember the name right now) and noone understood it but still my point stands: You did an incredible amount of bullshit to get into office as a townie. And here I stand doing the same except for the fact that it's not a fake and I can confirm this and yet people think it's unlikely for a townie to want himself voted into office because he knows his own alignment and can prove that in a heartbeat....
Anyways off again, see you in 3 hours or so.
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For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY
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Told you I'm the most awesome of all the masons. And it's not even the funny secret I kept to myself :p
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can't tell, don't want the guy to be shot. Also forumites conclusion on when or why I can or can not be confirmed is completly wrong for not obvious reasons but it's wrong.
See you in 3 hours again.
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On May 29 2012 00:00 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:04 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually rather vote forumite into an office than ET right now.
Of course I still want to lynch d1 myself because I'm awesome but there's a bunch of people saying it's dangerous: Thanks, but I prefer not taking a town leader position, not that I´m a likely candidate in the first place. On that note; You are suspicious of ET, what do you think about Wiggles? Have you thought of a good D1-lynch yet?
I'd probably lynch Kita right now.
ET is highly suspicious because of the sheer amounts of nulls he's giving. There's not a single reason to believe this guy is town because everything he said is some crap like "I will listen to newbies and won't flame". That's basicly his whole filter and while that's nothing special and as mentioned a null, the sheer masses of those nulls make me wonder why he's talking like that instead of actually doing something. It's not a good read at all but I find him suspicious and I find the fact that everybody agrees that he's the best candidate because he said he'll lynch whoever town wants to lynch (read: he's not accountable for the lynch) and because he said he's trying to get a nice townatmosphere.
Wiggles is kinda hard to tell. I'd say he's somewhere between null and townread but nowhere near my strong town reads yet.
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On May 29 2012 01:40 papapanda wrote:
Regarding Toad(once again):
For everyone: What is the best method now to pick the next mason? I am thinking letting Toad play out his cards by himself might be the next best option, as he seem to have some withheld information. The other choice is for the town to decide someone for him to invite, but this increases some randomness and can be potentially affect by mafia. Toad, thought?
I will not listen to anyone suggesting a target becaue if I do mafia justs shoots him => I can not confirm my mason role and I am in trouble. I'm thinking of rnd-ing it.
Also there's another mason in this game and he needs to shut the fuck up.
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