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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Here's why I ask. As scum, for me, it seems much easier to simply pacify the source of the attention rather than call further attention to myself by apologizing to another player who hasn't even commented on the offending posts. It seems...too careless, you know? I don't think he's a good lynch really. It's true that his content is lacking, but from what I can see he seems genuinely interested in what's best for town. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. 1) Why you claim VT 2) Who is BE | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 10:12 austinmcc wrote: I guess jaj not necessarily drawing any conclusions, but he mentioned it and then Toad dismissed the idea that it was manipulative towards newbies. I was the one saying it is manipulative in the first place. It's obviously manipulative for newbies as well but that's so obvious you don't have to talk about it (as proven by you). The scary part is the manipulation towards not-noobies because apparently everyone things "aaaah, that's a nice guy! Such a nice guy can't be mafia! He wants to support newbies, surely a mafia could not say something like that!". Which is the reason I emphasized the manipulation on not-newbies as well because it's more subtile and more dangerous if it's really meant to be that way. Should probably not have said "it's not manipulative towards newbies" but something like "it's also (and more importantly) manipulative towards everyone else as well". My bad. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Yeah I agree Kita looks pretty bad right now. S&B looks pretty bad as well. I don't want Sinensis lynched yet, he's playing way to bold for a mafia imo. So unless someone tells me that's his usual mafia meta I'd rather keep him for another day So basicly I'd be willing to vote anyone willing to lynch into Kita / S&B / ET. Kita being the safest bet right now I guess. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 28 2012 08:38 Toadesstern wrote: You and supersoft have a weird love/hate relationship in this game. If you are trying to distance yourself from a scumbuddy, then you are doing it wrong. I can answer that one: It's SS Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum. D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed. If Toades flip Scum, then X is Scum If Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed Mason Usually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor. On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote: But, but, sigh... 1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election. ##Unvote: strongandbig On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote: Why should he stick up for himself? You want to lynch him without a case, so there´s really no reason for him to defend himself. Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas? VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day. I liked ETs play, and either him or Wiggles would make a fine Mayor. ##Vote: EchelonTee | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
He's been entirely transparent with his reasoning for wanting to be mayor, and to the extent that it's a ridiculous campaign, Blazinghand had the same one. If we take Sinensis's comments at face value, he doesn't even care if he or BH get elected, so long as it's someone from the lynch-Grush party. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 13:25 Sinensis wrote: I would settle for being your VP if it means killing grush. On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote: I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing. If you don't vote for me, I encourage you to check out BlazingHand's platform because killing grush N1 really is the best move for town. I'm not for lynching Grush D1, but I also don't want to lynch someone for wanting to lynch Grush. The more troubling part of the tunneling is that, as has been mentioned, Sinensis can run for mayor without addressing anything else other than his desire to lynch Grush. I care less about what he would do given Grush v. a somewhat scummy candidate for lynch, because I'm willing to put some merit in the argument that someone absolutely unwilling to help town shouldn't be left sitting around. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 21:49 Forumite wrote: You and supersoft have a weird love/hate relationship in this game. If you are trying to distance yourself from a scumbuddy, then you are doing it wrong. Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum. D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed. If Toades flip Scum, then X is Scum If Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed Mason Usually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor. But, but, sigh... ##Unvote: strongandbig Why should he stick up for himself? You want to lynch him without a case, so there´s really no reason for him to defend himself. I liked ETs play, and either him or Wiggles would make a fine Mayor. ##Vote: EchelonTee SS was the first to pick the "i am town" up from Kenpachi and talk about it if I remember correctly. Kenpachi-strategy. That's why I said Kenpachi things he is mafia. Not sure if I'd agree as I see several points in SS' play that makes me think he's town but also several things that make me think he might try to buddy up or he just believes me idk. I guess that's what you are referring to when you said love/hate relationship? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 22:39 Forumite wrote: @Toades Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing. I never called him scum. I said that Kenpachi thinks he's scum. I called him weird so far. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'm either town (duh...) or a lyncher. Either way I'm going to die early because I am either a confirmed townie and you failed to vote a modconfirmed townie or I'm a lyncher who can't produce a mason result. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
1) Cause I'm VT 2) BH to a tired zealos. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 22:55 supersoft wrote: uhm... forumite you're town right? yeah sadly | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On Kita's vote on me, I have no idea. He knew I wouldn't have a chance, and I was probably one of the newer names in this mafia game that posted decently early into the game. I actually saw his vote, but couldn't bother with it since it does not bother me or the way the thread was going. I'm truly against policy lynch. It has never got any useful information out of games I played elsewhere. Definite no to Sinensis or BH. Toad claiming mason is something else. Its very hard to prove his alignment as forumite pointed out. He could have claimed to be RBed everynight or until X day where he come clean with a mafia buddy. So I'm not voting him as well. ET may have posted alot but half of it are about Sinensis/bh's policylynch campaign against grush and their meta and names throwing. The other half imo are fluffs about gamestate and mechanic surrounding mayor and pardoner. So, no. Mr Wiggles actually have a very transparent case so far and his is the best candidate imo. If I could wake up in 8 hours time to reread and revote, I would do it. But for now my vote is ##vote Meapak_Ziphh and before you say im contradicting myself which I am. I do not just want to wagon a vote, I have as much town read on Mr Wiggles as I have on Meapak_Ziphh You may say but if you are town you would want to elect a strong candidate into Mayor. But I feel safer voting on town read by myself on someone who doesn't run for Mayor. I believe most who ran campaigns has an agenda. But it is still i think 8 hours till day ends? Plenty of time to decide. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Of course I still want to lynch d1 myself because I'm awesome but there's a bunch of people saying it's dangerous: Wiggles says I can only be town or lyncher concluding I am lyncher and therefore can't be voted into office VE says I can only be town or lyncher, concluding I am town but it's to dangerous to vote someone who is shot n1 anyways into office because he might end up being influenced ALTHOUGH I HAVE A FUCKING ANIT-MANIPULATION POWA Forumite apparently thinks I am mafia taking the all-in for no reason although I explained A LOT why I am really confident in my mafia play which should bring you to the conclusion, that I would be running for the long game as mafia. It's funny because everyone has another conclusion which basicly rules out the other conclusions and noone thinks of me as a simple, plain townie who wants to ensure a townie gets voted into an office. VE remember that one game with 3 vets that rules town with an election? I think it was foolish, BC and someone else... not sure who it was. I am quite shocked you don't see the resemblence to your play in me this game. If I remember correctly you fakeclaimed Dayvig who screwed up his shooting-pattern and because that happened you decided to not shoot as a townie to make sure a townie gets elected because you knew your own alignment. Yeah I called you mafia that game because I called your fakeclaim (that's the game SS and I masoned... I really can't remember the name right now) and noone understood it but still my point stands: You did an incredible amount of bullshit to get into office as a townie. And here I stand doing the same except for the fact that it's not a fake and I can confirm this and yet people think it's unlikely for a townie to want himself voted into office because he knows his own alignment and can prove that in a heartbeat.... Anyways off again, see you in 3 hours or so. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 28 2012 23:05 Toadesstern wrote: For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY why can't you be roleblocked? | ||
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