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On May 28 2012 05:55 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Lets end the discussion right now.
Toad is our pardoner.
It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor. denying that role is utterly useless. A mafia can't use it before LYLO or he's dead. Both mayor and vice-thingy are highly likely to die early on, at least mayor for sure. Even if mafia gets that role they can't use it because they're trading it for a 1v1 which I am happy to take. Why is everyone so scared about the pardoner. That role is completly useless no matter of alignment.
And this is actually something i agree with. The electionroles in this game are basically pretty meaningless. This pardonerguy and this mayor. Pfff i mean, they will die before LYLO anyway so there is really nothing to worry about.
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huh, you dont read the threadt VE...
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uhm... forumite you're town right?
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On May 28 2012 23:05 Toadesstern wrote:
For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY
why can't you be roleblocked?
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On May 28 2012 23:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Told you I'm the most awesome of all the masons. And it's not even the funny secret I kept to myself :p
I wanna know more about your role. Can you mason one player each night and you lose this masonbuddy the next night? If you're roleblocked you can still chose one or only talk to someone you chose before. clarify please.
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My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight.
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On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:Time for a little bit of analysis before I have to get back to work. My Finger of Suspicion points currently at supersoft. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 06:00 supersoft wrote:On May 28 2012 05:55 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Lets end the discussion right now.
Toad is our pardoner.
It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor. denying that role is utterly useless. A mafia can't use it before LYLO or he's dead. Both mayor and vice-thingy are highly likely to die early on, at least mayor for sure. Even if mafia gets that role they can't use it because they're trading it for a 1v1 which I am happy to take. Why is everyone so scared about the pardoner. That role is completly useless no matter of alignment. And this is actually something i agree with. The electionroles in this game are basically pretty meaningless. This pardonerguy and this mayor. Pfff i mean, they will die before LYLO anyway so there is really nothing to worry about. This is not a good town attitude. As has been discussed, these roles are super important for town - each of them can pretty much fuck up an entire cycle by denying town info, plus there's the mayor's double vote.
yes bla super important bla
On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. I <3 forumite and I agree that he's probably town, but this is a terrible plan. If everyone just votes for their "strongest town read" instead of for one of the actual candidates, then the votes are likely to get very spread out giving mafia a good chance to swing the election by coordinating, either to get one of them elected or just to avoid getting someone they're scared of or who's on the right track elected.
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On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 18:38 supersoft wrote:On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote:
Hi guys, I'm a vanilla townie, and I'm gonna try not to get too emotionally attached when I play this game, to avoid cluttering.
Let's all try and chill, and play nice together, because arguing is not finding scum. Also, in a game this big, can we try to keep posting concise and simple, so the pages don't get into their thousands.
I'm currently happy with an ET mayor. From what I know of him, he may not be the best townie in TL, but he's consistent and seems to do a good job of staying cool and hunting scum.
I'm on the "Pardoner is bad" boat too, but I'm not sure the best way to deal with it at the moment, but I'm open to ideas.
Not starting looking for scum yet, but as a start.
@Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game?
@ET: Who would you vote for Mayor if not yourself?
@Mattchew: Do you think the arguments going on are indicative of people being scum, or is it a case of frustrated egos?
why do you claim right now? Lol. Kenpachi'd by the kenpachi copycat. And in case anyone doesn't think this works, I got caught by BC with it in SS mafia. It does work, probably because claiming VT is suspicious and weird behavior that scum think they can gain towncred for by calling out.
Actually i was once upon a time called out for claiming VT in this prison batman mafia thing
Ahm one more thing: It's super annoying that you talk about some SS mafia while you call me SS and while SS originally is the name of a nazi terrororganisation. wtf. I don't want to be called like these idiots.
On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote:On May 28 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!".
Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day.
I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here.
##FoS: Toadesstern
If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. This also is a bit of an odd post. Why does the fact that Toad claimed mason change SS's impression of his townplay? SS had some really strong reads on Toad, saying things like "I know your townplay." More importantly, SS's points on Toad were 100% right - saying "elect me because I'm unreadable" and "I will magically kill scum on day 1" like toad did are super suspicious! I tend to agree with many people that this leans towards Toad being third party. So why did SS back off here?
So you think Toad and I are scum together? Or aren't we? Am I scum and he's thirdparty? How do your theorys fit together?
On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:
Also, how did we "force" Toad to claim anything? There was literally no reason for Toad to claim some kind of nonstandard target-changing un-roleblockable "manipulation-proof" (wtf?) mason role, as part of his campaign for Mayor.
This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum.
k. I make a good case and therefor I am scum. Great logic.
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On May 29 2012 06:04 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:Time for a little bit of analysis before I have to get back to work. My Finger of Suspicion points currently at supersoft. On May 28 2012 06:00 supersoft wrote:On May 28 2012 05:55 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Lets end the discussion right now.
Toad is our pardoner.
It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor. denying that role is utterly useless. A mafia can't use it before LYLO or he's dead. Both mayor and vice-thingy are highly likely to die early on, at least mayor for sure. Even if mafia gets that role they can't use it because they're trading it for a 1v1 which I am happy to take. Why is everyone so scared about the pardoner. That role is completly useless no matter of alignment. And this is actually something i agree with. The electionroles in this game are basically pretty meaningless. This pardonerguy and this mayor. Pfff i mean, they will die before LYLO anyway so there is really nothing to worry about. This is not a good town attitude. As has been discussed, these roles are super important for town - each of them can pretty much fuck up an entire cycle by denying town info, plus there's the mayor's double vote. yes bla super important bla Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. I <3 forumite and I agree that he's probably town, but this is a terrible plan. If everyone just votes for their "strongest town read" instead of for one of the actual candidates, then the votes are likely to get very spread out giving mafia a good chance to swing the election by coordinating, either to get one of them elected or just to avoid getting someone they're scared of or who's on the right track elected. wrong Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:On May 27 2012 18:38 supersoft wrote:On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote:
Hi guys, I'm a vanilla townie, and I'm gonna try not to get too emotionally attached when I play this game, to avoid cluttering.
Let's all try and chill, and play nice together, because arguing is not finding scum. Also, in a game this big, can we try to keep posting concise and simple, so the pages don't get into their thousands.
I'm currently happy with an ET mayor. From what I know of him, he may not be the best townie in TL, but he's consistent and seems to do a good job of staying cool and hunting scum.
I'm on the "Pardoner is bad" boat too, but I'm not sure the best way to deal with it at the moment, but I'm open to ideas.
Not starting looking for scum yet, but as a start.
@Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game?
@ET: Who would you vote for Mayor if not yourself?
@Mattchew: Do you think the arguments going on are indicative of people being scum, or is it a case of frustrated egos?
why do you claim right now? Lol. Kenpachi'd by the kenpachi copycat. And in case anyone doesn't think this works, I got caught by BC with it in SS mafia. It does work, probably because claiming VT is suspicious and weird behavior that scum think they can gain towncred for by calling out. Actually i was once upon a time called out for claiming VT in this prison batman mafia thing Ahm one more thing: It's super annoying that you talk about some SS mafia while you call me SS and while SS originally is the name of a nazi terrororganisation. wtf. I don't want to be called like these idiots. Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote:On May 28 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!".
Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day.
I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here.
##FoS: Toadesstern
If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. This also is a bit of an odd post. Why does the fact that Toad claimed mason change SS's impression of his townplay? SS had some really strong reads on Toad, saying things like "I know your townplay." More importantly, SS's points on Toad were 100% right - saying "elect me because I'm unreadable" and "I will magically kill scum on day 1" like toad did are super suspicious! I tend to agree with many people that this leans towards Toad being third party. So why did SS back off here? So you think Toad and I are scum together? Or aren't we? Am I scum and he's thirdparty? How do your theorys fit together? Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:51 strongandbig wrote:
Also, how did we "force" Toad to claim anything? There was literally no reason for Toad to claim some kind of nonstandard target-changing un-roleblockable "manipulation-proof" (wtf?) mason role, as part of his campaign for Mayor.
This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. k. I make a good case and therefor I am scum. Great logic.
did you ever thought of the most reasonable possibility? I am town and he is town. I attacked him because his first post bugged me. I know him fairly well, we're both german and we were masoned together some games. His following posts were exactly like i expected a worried Toad who realizes that he didnt play optimal to react. And most important he claimed a role. Tomorrow when he has used his role, we will have a lot of information about him. I really don't need more. I don't want to lynch a player at d1 who has the potential to solve the endgame of a mafiagame with reasonable logic. Especially if I have this much information already.
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yeah i agree. I think this running for pardoner of SnB is not scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote:While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: StrongandbigThis case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it.
The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case. + Show Spoiler +This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta.
Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games.
Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis.
and this "case" is poor. I don't know why you people vote this guy into office. Really?
Obviously TL towns have changed in my off time... Palmar was a different caliber...
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On May 29 2012 07:45 supersoft wrote:yeah i agree. I think this running for pardoner of SnB is not scummy. + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote:While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: StrongandbigThis case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it.
The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case. + Show Spoiler +This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta.
Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games.
Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. and this "case" is poor. I don't know why you people vote this guy into office. Really? Obviously TL towns have changed in my off time... Palmar was a different caliber...
And by the way: Zealos is the proper lynchcandidate for today.
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On May 29 2012 07:46 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 07:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Things like this, it´s just bad! good man forumite. Right now it looks like we'll be in for 6 modkills :/ (Everybody buddy me, yay!)
you're stealing my Zealos case and give SnB credit for his case on me? You're playing acceptable when it comes down to establish your townieness. Everything else is completely missing. :-(
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by the way, I really don't understand, why you people never listen to me.
How can't you see that zealos is scum?! good god, that's so bitter.
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can you summarize me what happened in the last TL.net mafias so far? And why are people voting wriggles and this Echlonguy into office?! What happened to kitaman? why isn't he running? can we vig him for that or is that his new townstyle? World is crazy
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On May 29 2012 07:55 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 07:50 supersoft wrote:On May 29 2012 07:46 Forumite wrote:On May 29 2012 07:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Things like this, it´s just bad! good man forumite. Right now it looks like we'll be in for 6 modkills :/ (Everybody buddy me, yay!) you're stealing my Zealos case and give SnB credit for his case on me? You're playing acceptable when it comes down to establish your townieness. Everything else is completely missing. :-( I´m not stealing anyones case, I got an early scumread on Zealos and now I´m telling you about it, if you or S&B or anyone else agree, then I´m happy about that. My first duty is to show I´m town, the second is to find scum. I have to be clear about the first, the second one I prefer to keep to myself until I need to present my reads. Sorry if this makes my filter look a bit thin.
nah you're completely right about that. I just wanted to critisize something, to keep you from getting lazy.
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i didn't play for almost a year - does that mean i have to wait another?! wow
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lol okay wiggles wants to kill a guy i never filtered so far. I thought wiggle has no chance to be elected as _mayor_ anyway.
Is there any case?
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aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/
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On May 29 2012 08:32 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 07:59 supersoft wrote:On May 29 2012 07:55 Forumite wrote:On May 29 2012 07:50 supersoft wrote:On May 29 2012 07:46 Forumite wrote:On May 29 2012 07:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Things like this, it´s just bad! good man forumite. Right now it looks like we'll be in for 6 modkills :/ (Everybody buddy me, yay!) you're stealing my Zealos case and give SnB credit for his case on me? You're playing acceptable when it comes down to establish your townieness. Everything else is completely missing. :-( I´m not stealing anyones case, I got an early scumread on Zealos and now I´m telling you about it, if you or S&B or anyone else agree, then I´m happy about that. My first duty is to show I´m town, the second is to find scum. I have to be clear about the first, the second one I prefer to keep to myself until I need to present my reads. Sorry if this makes my filter look a bit thin. nah you're completely right about that. I just wanted to critisize something, to keep you from getting lazy. But I want to be lazy town  Point taken. I tried to make a case on Zealos. There´s not much to go on, but the 3 things he´s done in the game look bad.
i noticed that :/
you basically copy and pasted my case :D
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