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On June 06 2012 05:58 austinmcc wrote:
What's the downside?

On June 06 2012 17:17 EchelonTee wrote:
About the whole "there needs to be veterans in scum team" or whatever.

I spam that because it's important to be aware of the possibilty, and not to be complacent, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. In MTG mafia recently, it was Navilus, Katina, HiroPro, and Zealos. They are competent players sure, but WBG and VE were both town, yet fought at lot under a pretense that balance dictated their opposal. Another example is SoaF, where scum team was myself, gonzaw, Bluelightz, and cccalf, vs. VE and BH. You don't NEED a scum vet; it's just a possibility.

Anyways, if we're talking scum vets, I'm leaning Wiggles at this point. Why is he so hilariously AWOL? Are you busy or something?

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It's appearing that the greatest consensus is towards killing Manason. There is no medic counter claim, so I do not want to lynch kita right now. Like someone mentioned, if probe+another dies, then we lynch Kita. If probe doesn't die (or kita dies) then his claim is truer. If Probe dies alone, then it's null. Either way, the path of least risk is to not lynch kita, and his actions are decently explainable at times. He's mostly been wishy washy/not scumhunting that hard, but then again we were all wrong about VE, weren't we?

I want another mason in the circle to claim by tomorrow day, at the latest. I have a sneaking fear that MZ is doing a crazy ass mafia plan with toad. If another mason claims to be part of the circle, then I will no longer have to consider that fear as deeply.

There a million possibilities or WIFOM, blue fake claims, etc etc, but the least risky proposition right now is to leave kita, and lynch elsewhere. Since Manason has claimed scum a few times, let's continue lynching down the line.

##Unvote
##Vote: Manason

On June 05 2012 08:01 Toadesstern wrote:
SCREW MAFIA god damn it

Why didn't you protect those 2

On June 06 2012 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat curious why Toad keeps including himself in feared town veterans etc. :/

Didn't do this before, so
##Vote: Manason

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On June 06 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
So the answer to my previous question would be 'yes'?

On June 06 2012 22:51 Toadesstern wrote:
From top to bottom:

• That pic is wrong because at that point of time people thought I'm a one-time mason. With my awesome powers of confirming me every single day that picture is obviously bullshit.
  
• I masoned MZ and you find it weird that I tell people to not listen to Supersoft calling for vigshots on MZ? Really? I mean I could understand it if you thought it was weird at that night but now with all the information you got, knowing I masoned MZ n1 you think it's weird that I told people not to shoot him n1?...
  
• Well I'm going to explain it because Greymist never said I can't lol. Here's what happened:
  1) I PM'ed to mason MZ to both hosts within something like 1 hours of the night. So still 23 hours left until deadline
  2) I PM'ed both hosts to mason BH instead of MZ once I saw Supersoft telling people to shoot MZ. That was probably about 5 hours prior to deadline
  3) I told people I masoned BH because I thought I masoned him
  4) I got a PM telling me that Greymist forgot about my change of plans and already send the QT link to MZ and can't change it anymore because MZ got the pm
  
• I said "screw you guys, that means I did not get roleblocked" because we agreed to make Jailers protect me n1 because I am not roleblockable and make medics protect people themselves. The fact that I never got a roleblock-PM (remember, even VT's get a roleblock PM no matter if something was protected or not) meant that no Jailer was protecting me n1. That's why I said "screw you guys".
  
• I don't think MZ is confirmed at all but he has the same reads as I have, the same reads as WBG had which makes him look good.
  

any questions? Because you apparently haven't understood what I posted n1 and I need to explain everything ALTHOUGH there should be enough information for everyone reading the thread to understand what happened...

On June 06 2012 22:53 Hyaach wrote:
I'm glad you followed it up austinmcc. if you looked through my filter. I've been asking for his new masons. for night 2 and 3 but he never replied me.
I was not sure how confirmed town they both were too, but somehow it seemed to get ignored and drowned out.

On June 06 2012 23:07 austinmcc wrote:
The pic is still entirely right, because you have been confirmed by ONE guy, who might be scum. You claim that your N2 and N3 mason targets are dead, so they can't confirm you. I did a light round of find-the-crumb to see if either of them mentioned being masoned come D3 and D4, but didn't find anything. Will look again, but I didn't catch anything.

The rest is all just odd stuff. Like, I went through one day and there were a bunch of little interactions that stuck out, and you've got to admit that the BH/MZ mason stuff was just a little odd. It's all immaterial though, I think I included it just to show some weird interactions and to drive home the point that nobody has been confirmed (except hassy in my mind). The mason claim absolutely decides this, because either you are a town mason or you're not and you're almost certainly scum (i guess 3rd party is an option?).

That's why, instead of masoning me, I actually want to suggest something else. I think, depending on who gets lynched, you should mason someone from this list tonight: hyaach, papapanda, majugarzett, manason. If you're town, they can confirm you. If you're scum, you'll either have to out the final scum (if you/MZ/kita are scum) OR you'll have to get rid of one of those players for town and say that you masoned him but he got shot. Congrats, 1/2 of scum's KP wasted and town potentially gets saved some effort.

On June 06 2012 23:17 Manason wrote:


Which is why it's suck a good idea to do it.

Having said that I don't have a ton of doubts at to toads townieness, however I don't want to get lynched, so if someone could tell me what it would take to convince them I'm not mafia that would be great ^^

(If anyone say's it would take my death to convince them, I will be mad.)

On June 06 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote:

Ummmmm.

• IF you're town, you're placing too much stock in being a multi-mason. You haven't been confirmed as such. You may well have masoned WBG and jaj, but neither of them said so, so all we have is your word. If you're actually a multi-mason, your next mason target will speak up, you'll be confirmed. At this point, to me, having a secret mason circle is less important than having someone absolutely positively confirmed as town.
  
• IF you're scum, you didn't have a choice. Yes, you'd have to out another mafia. This would rely on you feeling enough D1 pressure about being a lyncher that you fakeclaimed and got stuck with it.

But the thing is, we don't actually KNOW which situation applies. For all your mason targets, you're not actually confirmed. One guy could be scummy, 2 guys died before saying they were masoned. While the mason claim as scum WOULD be kind of odd, right now it's still in the mix.

Again, the mason claim decides your fate in a few days. Either you're a mason or you're scum, and nothing matters except you actually being able to be confirmed by another player or two.