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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 02:50 GMT
#2081
On June 01 2012 11:40 MajuGarzett wrote:What scum did you personally find? Everyone suspected Zealos.


He was actually one of the first. Between super and Forumite, the day 1 Zealos wagon started. I don't like his play since then but I have to give him credit for that.

Ok having had a stroll through the voting list against VE here are the lurkers who had really bad reasoning for voting for VE. The others look relatively townie to me so I won't include them in my list.

Ange777
His reason was seriously non-commital (Klicky) but it is other posting that makes me suspicious.
On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote:
I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit.

On May 31 2012 05:31 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote:
I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit.


Do you think Gambit's posts have been scummier? What information do you expect to glean from a Gambit lynch?
To be honest, I think both are at a same scummy level. Posting a big list with names and commenting on them seems like a nice way to fake a townvibe. They don't really address any follow up questions (especially Gambit with his two posts only). Wiggles quoted some people soft defending Gambit which could give us some information if we lynch Gambit. For a lack of a better lynch target I am willing to give a Gambit lynch a try.

On May 31 2012 05:35 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:21 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. - I want a good reason why people aren't voting Zealos. Why is Gambit a stronger lynch?
Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion?
All soft-defending Zealos.

Next up
Manason
He is the opposite in that his filter looks OK (weird stuff about Kita) but then BOOM random vote for VE
On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote:
Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad.
##Unvote: Kitaman
##Vote: VisceraEyes

However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched.

He also never reappears to evaluate the VE case on Kita.

If people want to know why I have left someone specific off, just ask.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 02:54 GMT
#2082
On June 01 2012 11:21 supersoft wrote:
You ask the wrong questions.
Better ask yourself why I found scum and you didn't.


How is the air up there on your high horse? Are you saying that Kita is 100% not scum? Because that is how this reads. It is not beyong the realm of possibility that you bussed Zealos early. Scum had six players so it makes sense to bus the useless ones early if it can get you some credit.

What do you think about my new questions then? Do you think Ange or Manason have a case to answer?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 01 2012 03:15 GMT
#2083
On June 01 2012 11:50 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 11:40 MajuGarzett wrote:What scum did you personally find? Everyone suspected Zealos.


He was actually one of the first. Between super and Forumite, the day 1 Zealos wagon started. I don't like his play since then but I have to give him credit for that.

Ahh, my bad, sorry Super.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 01 2012 03:21 GMT
#2084
Maju saying if ET or I have questions...

Lol maju you scum? Planning on shooting me and ET? You know ET is town?

Jesus this couldn't get easier
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#2085
On June 01 2012 10:28 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 09:38 EchelonTee wrote:
On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately

I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach

I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at:

Kill:
G32 - ninja vote, derp posting
papa - that weird vote on VE
kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying???
Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio

FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi

There are some outliers but those are my focus atm.


ET, you can do better. What is your opinion of Kita and on supersoft, Meapak as well. Be clear and thorough. "Lol's at VE dying" is not enough.

Middle of the night broseph. While I love the way you're taking control of thread, subtlety is still important, and I've already done too much with my noobie list posting.

mz is town unless him and toad did some intense as fck wifom.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 01 2012 03:38 GMT
#2086
Does anyone know ss's scum meta? If ur letting him off for that zealos thing, it should be noted. Ex: palmar would never do that early bus, whereas I would almost expect scum gonzaw to do it.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 01 2012 03:45 GMT
#2087
On June 01 2012 12:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Does anyone know ss's scum meta? If ur letting him off for that zealos thing, it should be noted. Ex: palmar would never do that early bus, whereas I would almost expect scum gonzaw to do it.


I have no clue about his meta, but if you just look at his posts!

Weren't you the one who told him he wasn't ace?

"trying to be like ace" = "scummy as shit"
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 01 2012 04:12 GMT
#2088
Read PYP interesting for an example of Supersoft scum. XLIV is a decent example of supersoft town.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 04:29 GMT
#2089
On June 01 2012 13:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Read PYP interesting for an example of Supersoft scum. XLIV is a decent example of supersoft town.

Thanks, ive been searching through his profile for a game where he rolls scum. They are so few and far between. It is worth noting
On September 28 2011 12:22 Protactinium wrote:
17. supersoft, Hider House of Tudor
19. Meapak_Ziphh, Rock Star, House of Tudor

Supersofts very first vote of the game?
On October 18 2011 01:37 supersoft wrote:
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh

palmar made a huge post. i agree. reasons and details follow in about 4 hours if i dont change my mind.

@wbg: your case against me is so bad. my exam lasted from 9.00 to 14.00; i left my house at about 8.15 and entered the university at about 8.50
in the meantime from 14.00 to now i was in my repetitorium university course whatever its called in E and only could pm palmar from time to time.
if you want to use a kp on me for being wishy washy with these times i really dont care.


Yes he does bus, and he busses early. Clearly the games are different but it does set a precedent.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 01 2012 04:35 GMT
#2090
If I recall correctly, that is a mayoral vote.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 01 2012 04:39 GMT
#2091
Yeah that's not a bus lol
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 04:42 GMT
#2092
ROFL, sorry super
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 04:44 GMT
#2093
Dammit, I can't edit the post.

Well if people read that and get the wrong idea, than they should read this and get the right idea.

THAT IS NOT A CASE OF SUPER BUSSING, I'M AN IDIOT
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 05:01 GMT
#2094
He got nuked early in that game but there is no bussing that I can see. He actually defends Sinani who is his scumbuddy. It is hard to tell because he only goes after people once he is confirmed to be dying. Does anyone know of any other games where he has been scum?

I did giggle at this
On October 21 2011 06:29 supersoft wrote:
lol seriously. i know how to play this game.
if i were scum i'd just disappear until you lynch and kill someone else.


Sounds kind of similar to this
On May 29 2012 15:09 supersoft wrote:
lol why am i so much better at this game than you, stofu

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 01 2012 05:47 GMT
#2095
No-one have any thoughts on Ange or Manason?

What is the point of putting them up if noone can be bothered to respond ><
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
June 01 2012 06:44 GMT
#2096
Hey you remember that time when you posted 4 times in a row?

try not to do that
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 01 2012 07:03 GMT
#2097
On June 01 2012 11:50 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 11:40 MajuGarzett wrote:What scum did you personally find? Everyone suspected Zealos.


He was actually one of the first. Between super and Forumite, the day 1 Zealos wagon started. I don't like his play since then but I have to give him credit for that.

Ok having had a stroll through the voting list against VE here are the lurkers who had really bad reasoning for voting for VE. The others look relatively townie to me so I won't include them in my list.

Ange777
His reason was seriously non-commital (Klicky) but it is other posting that makes me suspicious.
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote:
I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:31 Ange777 wrote:
On May 31 2012 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote:
I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit.


Do you think Gambit's posts have been scummier? What information do you expect to glean from a Gambit lynch?
To be honest, I think both are at a same scummy level. Posting a big list with names and commenting on them seems like a nice way to fake a townvibe. They don't really address any follow up questions (especially Gambit with his two posts only). Wiggles quoted some people soft defending Gambit which could give us some information if we lynch Gambit. For a lack of a better lynch target I am willing to give a Gambit lynch a try.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 05:35 Ange777 wrote:
On May 31 2012 05:21 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. - I want a good reason why people aren't voting Zealos. Why is Gambit a stronger lynch?
Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion?
All soft-defending Zealos.

Next up
Manason
He is the opposite in that his filter looks OK (weird stuff about Kita) but then BOOM random vote for VE
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote:
Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad.
##Unvote: Kitaman
##Vote: VisceraEyes

However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched.

He also never reappears to evaluate the VE case on Kita.

If people want to know why I have left someone specific off, just ask.

I agree that Ange looks like he's soft-defending zealos there.

I disagree somewhat with what you say about manason there though. He just says that he's looking forward to seeing what VE writes about Kita, he doesn't promise to comment on it later, so that's not something he can really be held to. I say somewhat though, because I find his choice of wording odd, as well as the decision to not include anything he could be held to. Why say "If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched."? I would think he would say something more along the lines of "If it's good enough I'll take my vote off you", or "If it's good enough I'll reconsider my read". Instead, he says he's looking forward to what he writes, and then doesn't say anything he can be held to after it. What he says implies that he'll share no personal opinion on it or take personal action over it, but instead just follow along with what the majority think. Basically, blatant sheeping and shirking having to actually do anything in response. What do you think?

Also, in case it isn't clear, if there's another vigi out there, you should be shooting Gambit. If we have to lynch him tomorrow, we'll end up with a day of minimal discussion and everyone just piling votes on him as he's very likely to be scum.
you gotta dance
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 01 2012 07:36 GMT
#2098
Ange's alternate lynch is g32. If g32 is scum too, your point is moot lol. If g32.is town, then you have case, otherwise ange's posts have sounded just fine.

Yeah manason looks bad. I agree lol.

I'm out atm. Let's not get complacent tho... Too often there ends up being a consensus lynch list, then when it turns out a few scum have been pulling the strings, all hell breaks loose. It's how I win all my scum games lol.... Get the town to post a bunch of lists that might include my mates, but allows town to stagnate for.4 days or so.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 01 2012 07:40 GMT
#2099
Lmao probe....he said both are at same scummy.level... How the fuck is that.a soft.defend?

When town can collaborate like this, as in we recognize each other as townie, we need to have some give and take.
Like with my jaj read; I'll listen to marv; I'm at this.point thinking there's no case on ange like, at all, so.I hope we can come to a consensus, or you change mind or w.e.

A little out it.just saying.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 01 2012 09:59 GMT
#2100
There is no example of a typical scumgame... That game where I was tudor was completely crazy and most importantly it was a PM-Game, so you really cannot get any information from that one. There were 3 scumteams with almost as many players as the town. That game was really crazy and imbalanced, because Mig/syllo/Palmar/wbg/Radfield on one team.
I played only one real scumgame and I won that, i think it was a smaller game, we were 3 scumteammembers.
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