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Probulous - I'm curious what you find 'ok' about Manason's filter. I took a look and there's just a shitload of tunneling on Zealos and especially kita without anything to back it up.
On May 30 2012 10:26 Manason wrote:
A lot of people are apparently making hasty votes, the day just began. We have roughly 45 hours to decide who is Scum and while you can change your vote why not focus the pressure on someone who is more likely to read the forum.
##Vote Kitaman
Hasty votes --->> hasty vote.
On May 30 2012 13:11 Manason wrote:
I'm behind you on Kita. Kita or Zealous, those are the two I'd be happy to see lynched. I think we need to start putting some pressure on these two and see what they have to say in their defence.
On May 30 2012 02:09 Manason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 01:15 Forumite wrote:On May 30 2012 00:34 austinmcc wrote:
Bah, should have organized it more, sorry.
I don't disagree with the read on Zealos, and I don't think it's an example of good town play. But that seems to be the general opinion.
I just don't get a good feeling from the way it feels like you tried to pump up your reads on Toad and Zealos, especially when a lot of your reasoning came from supersoft or didn't even feel that strong for you (He said, as he finishes presenting a read that apparently isn't all that strong...). Also, when we had so many inactive players, choosing to hold your reads until pressured to reveal anything doesn't quite sit right with me.
Do you currently have any reads outside the main targets of discussion that feel scummy to you? It SHOULD have been the general opinion that Zealos was the scummiest, but noone talked about him, and Sinensis got lynched instead if Zealos. Whatever your own read was, there wasn´t enough of other people agreeing with you and I to kill Zealos. I tried to change that at the end of the day but I didn´t try hard enough. My reasoning didn´t come from supersoft, he got my eye on Toades, but we reached the same conclusion on Zealos on our own, unless my subconcious is acting up. I waited until someone else, in this case Supersoft, revealed his own suspicions on Zealos before I did too. I got suspicious of him first when he claimed VT, and then for real with his preemptive defence of Toades. I called him out defending Toades, but didn´t push it too far, I didn´t want to spook him ahead of time, in case he was going to post more incriminating posts. I actually prefer NOT posting more when a part of town is inactive, because if I spam then there´s more to catch up on. Anyway the most suspicious people during D1 are Zealos and Kita. Manason acted weird too. BH looked bad earlier, although less so after the sinensis-flip. I´m not sure how my read on you, austinmcc, changed with the flip, BH was agreeing with Sinensis, at least intitially, but you were defending him. So I´d say my strongest unorthodox scumtell would be Manason. While I do agree with you about Zealos and Kita, I can't say I agree with you on myself. And the obvious question I'm going to ask you is why me?
On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:
As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot.
VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now.
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Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous.
kitaman unsurprisingly asks him what his case actually is:
On May 31 2012 12:48 Manason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:40 kitaman27 wrote:On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.
I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.
Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot. VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now. sToFu: I don't think he's scum. Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts. strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment. Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous. You stated that you wish to pressure me with your vote, but have not once explained your reasoning for voting me. Please provide a case (and I hope its more detailed than your views of those five) To be completely honest, I have no reasoning as to why I think your scum other than intuition, and I want you to defend yourself as it will either make me change my mind about voting you or provide more information. My enemy is scum, if your town please, convince me.
I hate this 'to be honest' wording. Only intuition. He says 'I want you to defend yourself' - how is kita supposed to defend himself from Manason? There's no case to answer...
On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote:
Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad.
##Unvote: Kitaman
##Vote: VisceraEyes
However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched.
Going back to my line of reasoning during the lynch, Manason is one of those voting for VE because there is 'good evidence'. We are not graced with any idea of what parts of the evidence he agrees with.
All in all, Manason so far has thought Zealos, Kita, and VE are scum. Just for the sake of completeness, I will sum up Manason's cases on them all (and by sum up, I mean write the entire cases he has written):
Zealos: ...
kitaman: no reasoning, intuition
VE: good evidence.
This is appearing to scumhunt without scumhunting of the highest order. He's posted enough times but actually has zero content. Bandwagoning when convenient, abandoning his 2 earlier reads just like that. This dude looks like scum to me.
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Ugh. I'm so bad at this game.
I'm officially taking mattchew off of my scum list. I think I tend to tunnel people who attack me for stupid reasons, and this looks like a case of that.
Marv, do you think kita is scum as well, and Manson was distancing himself from kita and zealos at the same time? I agree with you that his filter looks terrible though.
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On June 01 2012 22:50 strongandbig wrote:
Ugh. I'm so bad at this game.
I'm officially taking mattchew off of my scum list. I think I tend to tunnel people who attack me for stupid reasons, and this looks like a case of that.
Marv, do you think kita is scum as well, and Manson was distancing himself from kita and zealos at the same time? I agree with you that his filter looks terrible though.
I don't know about kita atm, getting a coherent opinion on him together is gonna take me quite a bit of time that I won't have until later this evening.
Hard to say what Manason was doing, because there was so bloody little reasoning behind his suspects.
The other interesting thing of note in his filter is that the only time he presents cogent thoughts was when talking about the mayoral election. He is able to elucidate quite clearly who and why he is voting for. This clarity is suddenly absent when looking for scum.
Also I think Matt's trap point is retarded. Don't let it bother you unless he actually has a proper case to present.
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On May 29 2012 08:03 EchelonTee wrote:
I agree with you supersoft, I made a post on the same points you said before I read yours.I hear corroboration without prior knowledge is a good sign or something.
I think I'll lynch Zealos over SnB, if elected, since SnB's response was not too bad.
How reliable do we think this is? If a few people had switched from wiggles to et, et could have actually gotten elected and he would have been held to this.
I've been looking over the mayor candidates' filters. I think it's pretty bad that wiggles has posted so much less since he was elected, but I haven't found anything that really stands out as scummy in his filter. Et's campaign, otoh, does feel kind of scummy to me since he was kind of pandering, and his spat with bh feels kind of scummy since it was a huge distraction, but his play since the election feels super townie.
Haven't reread BH yet, that's hard for me to do since I still feel bad about inciting him to fuck up the thread.
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Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3.
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On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3.
Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy
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On June 01 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy
the complete lack of scum hunting is scummy, but voting for VE is completely understandable, while I did think he was town I wasn't without doubts. Like I've said above, better a VE lynch than a no-lynch, no one was going for Kita so I hopped on the bandwagon so that we didn't have a no-lynch.
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no a no lynch on a VT is better than a no-lynch. a lynch on a claimed VIG is not better than a no-lynch. We had the other option of lynching Zealos and getting VE to shoot someone.
so ur reasoning is a lazy town whose not trying. scum mb?
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On June 02 2012 00:13 Hyaach wrote:
no a no lynch on a VT is better than a no-lynch. a lynch on a claimed VIG is not better than a no-lynch. We had the other option of lynching Zealos and getting VE to shoot someone.
so ur reasoning is a lazy town whose not trying. scum mb?
As it's already been explain to you Hyaach it's not so simple just getting VE to shoot someone, besides if we didn't lynch VE then D3 would be completely wasted talking about him.
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Blazinghand
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On June 02 2012 00:18 Manason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 00:13 Hyaach wrote:
no a no lynch on a VT is better than a no-lynch. a lynch on a claimed VIG is not better than a no-lynch. We had the other option of lynching Zealos and getting VE to shoot someone.
so ur reasoning is a lazy town whose not trying. scum mb? As it's already been explain to you Hyaach it's not so simple just getting VE to shoot someone, besides if we didn't lynch VE then D3 would be completely wasted talking about him.
Um, yeah but that only applies if you think he might be scum. You're saying you honestly thought he was a vig WITH a bullet and you wanted to lynch him??
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On June 01 2012 23:48 Manason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy the complete lack of scum hunting is scummy, but voting for VE is completely understandable, while I did think he was town I wasn't without doubts. Like I've said above, better a VE lynch than a no-lynch, no one was going for Kita so I hopped on the bandwagon so that we didn't have a no-lynch.
At no point in a game is it better to kill a townie as opposed to a no-lynch. Wtf kind of logic is that?
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I wasn't 100% sure he was a townie, however I didn't think he was scum. I never wanted to lynch him, I'm also curious to hear BH, what are your reasons for voting him?
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kitaman27
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Is this the first game of mafia you've ever played Manason? If so, how did you find out about this game?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 02 2012 02:07 Manason wrote:
I wasn't 100% sure he was a townie, however I didn't think he was scum. I never wanted to lynch him, I'm also curious to hear BH, what are your reasons for voting him?
I thought he was scummy. Believe it or not, some players vote to lynch scum, not town. At the time he was lynched, I still thought he was scummy, but G32 was clearly scummier and had claimed scum to the thread, so I voted G32.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 02 2012 02:07 Manason wrote:
I wasn't 100% sure he was a townie, however I didn't think he was scum. I never wanted to lynch him, I'm also curious to hear BH, what are your reasons for voting him?
Wait why am I even answering your question? You THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN. and you LYNCHED him? But you never WANTED to lynch him
wat
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On June 02 2012 02:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 02:07 Manason wrote:
I wasn't 100% sure he was a townie, however I didn't think he was scum. I never wanted to lynch him, I'm also curious to hear BH, what are your reasons for voting him? I thought he was scummy. Believe it or not, some players vote to lynch scum, not town. At the time he was lynched, I still thought he was scummy, but G32 was clearly scummier and had claimed scum to the thread, so I voted G32.
This is majority lynch not plurality bro.
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Like srsly, you're saying you'd prefer a no lynch over lynching a player who you think is probably scum?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 02 2012 02:43 strongandbig wrote:
Like srsly, you're saying you'd prefer a no lynch over lynching a player who you think is probably scum?
Quote where I said this, or stop putting words in my mouth.
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BH, did you really believe you could get 14 other people to vote-switch with you within 5 minutes?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I voted for scum. Somehow, during D2 I got distracted from my tried-and-true tactic of tunnelling scum and thought "oh these people have legitimate arguments" but I will not listen to dumb ideas any more. Nothing will stop me from lynching G32 tomorrow. I have nothing more to say on the topic of the VE mislynch.
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