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*cross fingers that the list is extended to enough people* | ||
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I'll add in that there's a possibility of someone defecting from the plan early (maybe #1-3) for traitor cause not only would they help mafia by not blocking a critical role but also possibly messing up the plan entirely. Toad's plan of having two people being assigned a role would solve this problem as well cause then it would check the role of the person above. 1. CPR 2. Janitor 3. CPR 4. Janitor | ||
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Also, with your plan, we still cannot guarantee that the first person has CPR, which means that mafia can easily transfer it down to a scumbuddy without us knowing, which is extremely dangerous. I would rather have vanilla townies than risk having mafia have 2 KP. | ||
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On May 15 2012 07:49 slOosh wrote: So say we guarantee that the roles are limited to the top 4 picks. I still don't see how it prevents mafia from blatantly using CPR - how will we be able to attribute night kills to specific roles? Well, first, the mafia has to be the first CPR from them to use the role. We won't be able to attribute night kills to roles anyways (unless tracker). The difference is that we know where the CPR is, and we will know when someone is abusing the power when there is consistently 2 Mafia KP. | ||
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I would also say no mass roleclaim cause that gives mafia way too much information. | ||
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@PaqMan No town would have a reason to not follow the plan given. | ||
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I do agree with almost all of the roles that you posted, but I don't understand your reasoning for angry vig. Angry vig only gets one shot. Also, still confused as to our plan against copycat. If copycat gets the role of the first power role that dies, how do we guarantee that that role isn't good for mafia (ie, first lynch is someone with a KP or RB, or first lynch is vanilla and mafia stacks on CPR doc)? | ||
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@Qatol I think all of the roles for town are viable except for framer, traitor, and politician. It really depends on what playstyle you want to play. That's why I spent so long deciding what role to choose. I think mafia and sk have a much more limited set of viable roles they can choose. I really hope people are following the plan that was agreed upon. I was most scared about whoever was #3, but it seems like marvellosity is going to follow it, which is great. I'll be back later. | ||
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We now know what role Mattchew is. I think a real easy way to clear him is if we have a tracker. If we do, we know that he does not have a role ability, so if mafia does shoot, Mattchew would go to the target (I'm pretty sure that's how the mechanics work anyways). And because of this possibility, it makes it unlikely that Mattchew is scum (unless, of course they overlooked it). Anyways, it would be best if we can do this. Thoughts? | ||
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Also, I think it is in the town's best interest for whoever got Janitor to say so. This way, we know who the Janitor is, and if there ever becomes a night where bodies are cleaned up, we would instantly know where the mafia is. On the other hand, that person is also almost confirmed town, or at least has to act in the town's best interest anyways. Since copycat is already used, there should be no fear. | ||
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Qatol: If you thought that Janitor is a really strong role for mafia that it warranted a denial, why is lynching Paqman more ideal? Paqman: Who do you think is Janitor? Sentinel: Why are you not voting risk.nuke? | ||
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By the time we figure out who Janitor is, it would be too late, no? (As in Janitor would have already used his role). Additionally, don't you think we would get some information from the way people voted between the 3 (especially since you (Toad) claim that we would find them eventually)? | ||
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@Toad Why did you want to assign Janitor pre-draft then? On May 18 2012 12:02 Toadesstern wrote: A janitor is nothing gamebreaking and we WANT the janitor to use the power right now because I am happy to take a janitor-ed lynch d1 if we get a confirmed mafia that way. So no, it's not too late at all, it's too early to lynch into those 3 on d1 for the very reason you said we should lynch them. We WANT to get more information on them and we WANT to see who's using powers n1 out of those 3. I also don't get how we get confirmed mafia. Janitor PMs during the night when he wants to clean up bodies. I don't understand why we want the Janitor to use his power at all. | ||
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Anyways, Qatol brought out a possibility that I did not think of which counters your first point: Sentinel could be scum but gave Janitor to some other mafia member lower in the draft. Plus, I don't see how it confirms Sentinel to be town at all because it could be him having the Janitor role and using it, but pretending that he does not have it. Your second point will draw out more blues (investigative roles would need to claim, marvellosity and risk would need to claim their presumed roles). ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Along with the logical arguments provided (and technically, strict probability), Sentinel is higher on my scum list. He was compliant with the plan after the draft phase came out (but did not imput before). Although he asked risk to get Janitor, it was already clear that risk wasn't going to get it and doesn't say anything further, which means he was comfortable picking Janitor. This comes into play when you read + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Agreed. Personally I'm really comfortable playing as Doc, and if I'm not one of the top five (haven't played a power role in forever so I'm interested in those as well) I might snatch that or jailkeeper up.  " rubbed me the wrong way, but that's minor I guess. He also only votes risk after pressure, and doesn't really explain why he does in fact choose to vote instead of FOSing. | ||
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On May 19 2012 03:18 risk.nuke wrote: There is also a possibility that Marv is scum and another scum is the real mason. Not really, because that would be way too risky for scum. On May 19 2012 03:33 Qatol wrote: Risk doesn't need to claim, at least not yet. Zelblade needs to claim whether mason was the role he tried to select. If it wasn't, then we know risk selected the role zelblade tried to grab or sentinel is lying about whiffing on traitor, or both. When did Sentinel say he tried to get traitor? I do agree that zelblade should confirm first before risk roleclaims. | ||
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There must be a JOAT between risk.nuke, marvellosity, and Sentinel. R = risk.nuke, M = marvellosity, S= Sentinel V = vigilante, Ma = mason, Jo = JOAT, Ja = janitor R M S ----------- V Ma Jo (Possible- Sentinel scum) Jo Ma Ja (Not Possible- Sentinel is lying as town) V Jo Ja (Not Possible- Sentinel is lying as town) Anyways, scum would have no reason to claim a role before zelblade claimed. It only makes sense that Sentinel is scum. | ||
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On May 19 2012 12:14 PaqMan wrote: Jesus Christ there's so many liars. zelblade picked JOAT and didn't get it. R, M,or S must be JOAT. If S isn't lying, R or M is lying M picked mason. R picked vigi. It'd clear M if his mason claimed but I don't want to give scum a free townie. The JOAT is between risk and sent. Toad you were wrong about lynching into risk/sent/marv. If risk is JOAT, what does sent have? | ||
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On May 19 2012 12:21 Qatol wrote: If risk is JOAT (and is thus lying about taking Vigilante), we have multiple liars because either marvellosity took Janitor (and is lying about being mason) or Sentinel is lying about taking Janitor. I guess. I don't really believe there are two liars though cause it doesn't really make much sense unless some townie is trying to screw town over. | ||
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On May 19 2012 12:28 risk.nuke wrote: Insomnia and can't sleep. Qatol and Misder. Reading your conversation is... well the level of is it like watching two kids counting cones in the woods and one of the kids says wait this cone is actually two cones stuck together and the other bursts out in amazement. Oh, nice catch! You're discussing completely obvious things for even people who just glance at the thread. Yes, but 7 people haven't read the thread yet or just don't get it. For example, PaqMan recently posted in the thread after the claims and yet hasn't concluded what Qatol and I have concluded in the thread yet. | ||
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On May 19 2012 12:37 PaqMan wrote: And what is that? That you two think sent is scum? I'm not going to sheep my vote, I trust my read over two people who I'm not even sure are town. I don't understand how you think Sentinel is lying yet is still town. At best, he was trying not to get hit by mafia because he has a role that he deems super extremely important that it's worth this entire discussion and mislynch. He hasn't defended himself, and if he really was town hiding a blue role, he should have claimed by now seeing that he's about to get lynched anyways. You say that you don't think he's that stupid as mafia to put himself in this situation, but he would be this stupid as town? | ||
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Qatol, was the main reason you jailed risk to protect him or to roleblock him. Does risk get his bullet back if Qatol jails him again? I would say most likely, talismania saved someone last night, but there is also have the possibility that mafia tried to hit SK. | ||
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We are going to follow Qatol's roleclaiming plan- anyone that is vanilla should say so. (slOosh, hiro, Snarfs) | ||
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To SlOosh. | ||
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On May 23 2012 03:12 slOosh wrote: slOosh's meta seems off I was typing up a whole explanation but I realized it doesn't really help us find the anti-town players so I'll just say that my play here probably looks much more like my play in TL Mafia LI, where I was shot N1 as a blue suspect (due to thread presence drop). I'm always hungry for direction and am not really that confident in giving it myself in new situations (in LI it was due to the sheer size, this game is due to PYP aspect), thus the blatant sheeping on my town read. Nevertheless, I ease into games and as more time passes no doubt you will see more activity / discussion and whatnot from me. Night Kills N1: Talismania the witch and PaqMan (vanilla) died. There is 1 unaccounted KP, most likely explained by scum shooting the SK, as no one has claimed the shot, indicating that either Talismania did not use his power or chose not to give the potion after seeing the death list. N2: Bluelightz died and Zephirdd claimed the second shot. Conclusion: The last mafia knows the identity of the SK and will no doubt want him alive to help whittle down town numbers. There is no janitor in the game as N1 and N2 are the most optimal uses of it. Along those lines a copycat CPR is highly unlikely as the only way to attribute the lack of KP is that both scum and SK chose the same kill target two days in a row. Additional side note: I don't think people have given Bluelight's case on Barundar as much consideration as it deserves. He is the role-cop and no doubt he would have utilized his check on someone he found suspicious, and a good portion of N1 discussions were centered around Barundar. Role Claim I am actually very eager to role claim. I will however hold back because of the tiered system, plus my claim is worth some discussion and would not like clashes / misdirection to occur in the thread. At this point in the game, the unknowns are slOosh (me), Misder, Barundar and hiro's role claims. Everyone else has claimed something (whether they are lying or not is a different point). Pre-edit: saw the thread and yea I guess I'll just claim in the next post I make. You have the night kills wrong. Zephirdd claimed the third hit on N1; we are still missing a KP for N2. | ||
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Barundar needs to claim. | ||
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N2 on hiro: I was considering putting it on Palmar again for the same reasons, but Qatol was pushing for a shot on hiro (who I thought was scum as well), so I thought I might as well block hiro just in case he had a defensive role or was SK. Obviously, since hiro did not roleclaim, it was a lot riskier, if hiro was indeed town and had an important role (which seems to be the case). Basically, the goal was to coordinate my roleblock with risk's shots. Anyways, since I roleclaimed, we should be able to do so with his last shot. | ||
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Either way, I don't believe hiro is SK and more likely to be mafia. | ||
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If hiro is mafia _____, then SlOosh or Barundar is SK. If hiro is town medic, then Barundar is mafia or SK. (Right now, believing scenario 1 actually) ##Vote: hiro protagonist Also, remember we do have a Politician this game, so we cannot have a close lynch. | ||
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##Vote: Barundar It's "possible", but not really considering the way he reacted to the hiro lynch, and he has to be SK Politician unless Zephirdd is lying. | ||
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I think sandroba is actually more likely to be mafia than Toad. I can believe that sandroba scum would try to take mason anyways, or it was a gambit to look town. The only thing that I think points sandroba as town is that he claimed tried to get mason early, but I think at this point, I think everything else outweighs at this point. ##Vote: sandroba | ||
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Bleh. I think I'm gonna have to vote zelblade just because he was voting for risk.nuke for pretty poor reasoning. I've actually have been getting more town vibes from him than sandroba except for the one inconsistency that Snarfs pointed out. But, I can kinda believe a bored sandroba, though I don't actually know his meta. Still thinking about this one. At this point, it's whether or not zelblade + sentinel could be scum team, but idk what that team would be trying to do (bailing PaqMan out?). We were all already trying to get Janitor to out day 1 though, so would would zelblade scum take that risk? Also, if we do decide to lynch sandroba, I can roleblock zelblade, so even if zelblade was copycat or something, nothing worse would happen. | ||
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marvellosity- Why did that post of zelbade confirm himself as scum? Mattchew- Why were you accusing people of being scum without any backup? ##Vote: No lynch | ||
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Well, GGWP everyone. | ||
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