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We don't know how many (or even if) we have a vigilante, scum who want to avoid lynch will have like a ~40% chance each day of avoiding the lynch, and they don't even need their scumbuddies' help for this! If we go through with the pardon plan for days then they will even get 100% chance of avoiding lynch and we will need vigilantes to take care of them so potential vigilantes should not use their shot to enforce plans. I imagine that there are roles more related to the central game mechanic, maybe M/M inverters or people who can throw other people from one pool to the other, maybe some hidden votes for round B. I thought about how the vote trading panned out in Hammer Mini Mafia (for those who haven't read, everybody had 5 votes and we had to give some away to other people every night). In that game people might not give votes to the most townie player just because "he would already get a bunch" and then he would end up with none. Also, I think charismatic people might get relatively many votes compared to how "townie" they really appear but we still don't want people like me to die just because no one thought to trade me (goes for other people too). I'm unsure about what to think about big round B plans, I'm always worried about what powers scum may have and I think that just relying on people to do their best should suffice (at least in this game with this infinitely stacked player list). What I'm going to do is that I'm going to split my votes up and throw a bunch of them into people I think other people are likely to vote for, and throw some of them into people I think other people are more unlikely to vote for. If everybody else does this then we're not going to have any problems (and we're going to have a lot of information this way) but if only I do it then there's not really much harm in that anyway. I think it was gonzaw/syllogism who proposed that round B should be an unofficial vote and then we try to kill the "winner" of that vote, but I don't know about that. This is a game about finding townies and if we all agree that someone is scum then we're not going to need a huge plan for getting him lynched, people are just not going to vote for him or they're going to get into trouble. I have never seen an unofficial voting system in action either, at least not one that worked. It seems that there is already a big plan in place for round A and it's kinda alright with me, syllogism and Palmar have good reads on each other so I'm going to go along with whatever they feel like for now. | ||
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On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote: We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch. I don't understand this. 10/8 split, three scum in each. Who is "we", how does this entity have more votes than there are people up for lynch, and how does this benefit us? | ||
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If I end up in majority I plan on pleading my innocence to a bunch of people in PMs. Other than that I'm probably going to play the most of this game in the thread. | ||
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I'm not entirely sure what to think of anything yet, I like the 72 hour day proposal 'cause this is going fast. @wherebugsgo What do you mean "the groups with the power to influence who get into the minority are scum, not town." ? | ||
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Since it looks like people don't like round A plans then how about round B plans? I think it was Meapak_Ziphh who said "X votes X+1" and then the minority votes for the townier people. Bad thing is that we don't get majority to vote on anything so no information, and if we just flip coins for round A then people never get to put their money where their mouth is. I'm still for the Palmogisfield-plan (wazzup) where those three just decide whatever and put 6-7 townies in the minority. If we're dissatisfied with their picks then we can just replace some of them tomorrow. Just because we ditched the claim idea doesn't mean we have to ditch everything that any of those said. | ||
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Ace is doing his usual and very useless "you can't have any reads on day1" thing. Then he's like "I'm just going to be an asshole no matter what you do" which is equally useless. All Ace can do day1 is yell at other people for having bad reads. I kinda like Mr. Wiggles but I don't exactly know why. I also like Foolishness and Palmogisfield. I don't have any scum reads. I feel like you're all speaking in russian. I'm looking forward to round B because then I'll have five votes like the rest of you that I can use however I want. Dunno. | ||
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I'm trying! I'm going to PM you tomorrow and ask for your opinion on somebody and then you're going to be like "l0L" and then I'm going to ask "well then who?" and then you're going to be like "we're all townies. host stole igrok's troll setup" and I'll be left discombobulated. | ||
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I'd volunteer to go to the majority 'cause I feel useless anyway. I'm probably going to flip coins until day[9] 'cause you can't have reads before then anyway. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:05 Cephiro wrote: Please don't tell me you're saying you don't know how to make reads on assholes? :p I don't but that was not what I meant. If everybody just do something semi-random all game long then we're not going to win because we can't organize anything while scum will be able to perfectly organize themselves. If people stopped doing semi-random stuff and for the most did what appeared to be the most townie thing then we'd be running with the Palmogisfield plan right now. Meh, it's useless since round B is coming up soon. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm voting no to get into the minority. FYI. See how fucking stupid this plan is? ^^ Try "I'm voting yes to follow the plan" and then "See how fucking awesome this plan is?" On May 01 2012 08:16 Ace wrote: K so the plan just needs a majority of Town to give up their individual brilliance, sheep a Yes/No vote and form a new pool of suspects: Except the method of creating this pool should be determined by 1 player. Sounds awesome. Where do I sign up? Who said anything about it being determined by 1 player? It's always been Palmar, syllogism and Radfield and I doubt anybody would complain if you wanted Foolishness in there instead or whoever really. What does "give up their individual brilliance" even mean? | ||
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please pm me soon because i think i'm about to pass out. | ||
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fun fact: this is the 16th game in a row that i have been town. last game i was scum was in XLVII when i requested it. not counting requests (requested town in election mafia too i think) then i'm on like a 20 game town streak. beat that. always town never not town QED. | ||
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 i made some illegal votes because i had like no idea what i was doing, showed up for like 20 mins and i asked who i should vote and only one person PMd me with advice that i just followed and then i spread my votes across players i thought were town and then i went to bed. i honestly had no idea that some of them were in minority so you should just treat me as if my intentions were to save those five (cause that was what my intentions were). also, the illegal vote for sandroba was actually for syllogism, i can ask protactinium if they will fix that if you don't believe me. and thanks to radfield for saving my ass. | ||
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On May 02 2012 19:28 Palmar wrote: Can anyone explain the illegal votes? uh i just did i voted 1 palmar 1 syllogism 1 wiggles 1 radfield 1 gonzaw and three of those votes were for people in the minority, not eligible for votes. illegal votes. it says that i voted for sandroba but i actually voted for syllogism. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:11 Ace wrote: I could post the playerlist of the game and come to the same conclusion. Bullshit post with no reasoning on to how you got this. Scum. it's the minority list kiddo are you even reading the game? | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: It doesn't change the point of the post -_-. well at the very least it changes the part where he says "with no reasoning on to how you got this." also, i wanted to call ace "kiddo" and i think it was funny because i PM'd foolishness the same question and because i didn't read half the thread yet. i'm at page 15 with and then i read again from nightpost and then i read a few filters. i think it's pretty rude of you that you're ignoring my PM. could you please tell me who your two comfortable scum reads are? you are even alluding that you already said it in the thread, why wont you repeat it to me when i'm asking you so nicely? | ||
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On May 03 2012 10:17 Ace wrote: good post. Quality assured. Moving you to my most likely town list after that one. this seems rather hypocritical considering that On May 01 2012 06:57 Ace wrote: Aye aye Captain! *salutes* On May 01 2012 08:24 Ace wrote: I haven't even read my role PM, what makes you think I'm gonna give your posts any attention? ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/roll.gif) On May 01 2012 08:47 Ace wrote: I am actively committed to finding booze. Type ##DRINK! if you are with me! On May 01 2012 08:51 Ace wrote: I don't need to stand up for myself though - people know I'm invincible to being lynched. #FinalBossStatus On May 01 2012 11:22 Ace wrote: lmao On May 02 2012 10:55 Ace wrote: Very pleased the way this game is going. On May 03 2012 04:17 Ace wrote: *yawn* People are still alive in this game? What's taking so long to kill everyone? and i've been pretty conservative with your quotes here. | ||
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i also asked radfield why he voted for me but he didn't answer (before he /out'ed) so i'm not gonna post those + Show Spoiler [pms with RADFIELD] + Original Message From Radfield: I don't know what you signed up for either, so lets figure it out I'm just thinking that given the unwillingness of town right to work together right now, I see no reason for them to be willing to co-operate in round 2. So we need to gather up townies who are willing to work together, and use our votes in an intelligent fashion. If everyone is just helter skelter voting in round 2, mafia have already won. subject was "you know i am" and it was in response to his post where he asked people to pm him if they wanted to cooperate. also i + Show Spoiler [stumbled upon this] + On May 01 2012 09:24 chaoser wrote: here, let me ask a question to you radfield. What's the difference between people in the minority and the majority? Minority can't die right? Why would you take away a threat to a player like that? It makes no sense. If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well. for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order. so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2. b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then. f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious. WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves. and thought i'd comment even though it's old if there's only 1 guy in minority then at least 2 of any scum team is in majority. say A is mafia but so is his mate, C. so A trades 4 votes to D so that they're not missing, C trades his 4 votes that was meant for D to A and now everybody has 4 votes, which is clearly not desirable. now people are going to die unless they get more votes and with a 1 person minority that's somewhat unlikely to happen. if chaoser had only suggested the 5 votes vote circle then we would have been even more screwed, everybody would die except the people F decided to trade and F himself. in short, this strategy is broken/crazy isn't it? or did i miss something i'm bad with plans. it seems like it only appears to be working because he chose a rather small example, with 17 player majority and 1 player minority this strategy would be crazy. with 10/8 i'm a little unsure why it would be desirable to take so much accountability and power away from majority and give it to minority, when you are the same time don't want to try to implement a plan that would make it more likely that the minority was mostly town aligned. seems like a 10/8 split would kind of ruin the idea of circle trading since everybody would die if A has a scum buddy in the minority is there any voting plan for round A today? i'm catching up! | ||
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On May 04 2012 07:00 sandroba wrote: It actually doesn't matter what I post in this tread. I made my suspicons clear and it doesn't matter how much I "explain" myself here. People are still dumb enough to think I'm mafia when evidence to the contrary is thrown in their faces. I'll do my best to get into minority so jubjubs + scum can't kill me. Then we proceed to kill sheth/mz/bc. i don't get this the case on you is that you are not contributing, and that this is in contrast to your meta your excuse is a little odd!, while people would usually say "it's because i have too little spare time" you're actually saying "i've decided to do something else because i've got a lot of spare time" might very well be true!... but i'm still a little worried as you might understand. i thought it was weird that you'd vote for me as scum when i was looking to get no votes but that was before i read the thread and now it looks like a couple of people vouched to vote me before deadline so you already know i probably wasn't dying. | ||
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On May 04 2012 06:50 Palmar wrote: you guys, I'm just gonna announce right now that I'll be voting "No". Do whatever you please with this information. gonna put it on a tshirt and make billions | ||
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i don't know what my conclusion is, i'm asking you if i'm seeing this right but nobody is answering so i guess it's irrelevant at best. | ||
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Alright, 5 guys in the majority we want to save so lets vote like this: Cephiro EchelonTee (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Palmar (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) prplhz (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) sandroba wherebugsgo (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) chaoser gonzaw (2 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Katina (1 gonzaw, 2 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Liquid`Sheth Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 2 slOosh, 1 syllogism) slOosh (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 2 syllogism) syllogism (2 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh) Which gives us these votes in majority: chaoser 0 gonzaw 9 Katina 9 Liquid`Sheth 0 Meapak_Ziphh 0 Mr. Wiggles 9 slOosh 9 syllogism 9 Unaccounted for: Cephiro, sandroba, chaoser, Liquid`Sheth, Meapak_Ziphh The 2 person scum team can't save the scum in the minority and the three person scum team will have to seriously out themselves to do that. I mean it's just taking out 3 players and nothing else but I think it looks worth it. Even if the two scum teams join up, they only have 25 votes and 3 people in the majority so they can't fuck everything up and what they can fuck up comes at a great cost of outing themselves. If some of these reads are wrong then any other townie, minority or majority, should just split his votes evenly over the greens in the majority. This is really just a plan with the purpose of killing 3 people, there's probably not much else to get from it. So what about it? | ||
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On May 07 2012 22:05 Cephiro wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 21:20 prplhz wrote: Word EchelonTee. Alright, 5 guys in the majority we want to save so lets vote like this: Cephiro EchelonTee (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Palmar (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) prplhz (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) sandroba wherebugsgo (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) chaoser gonzaw (2 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Katina (1 gonzaw, 2 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Liquid`Sheth Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 2 slOosh, 1 syllogism) slOosh (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 2 syllogism) syllogism (2 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh) Which gives us these votes in majority: chaoser 0 gonzaw 9 Katina 9 Liquid`Sheth 0 Meapak_Ziphh 0 Mr. Wiggles 9 slOosh 9 syllogism 9 Unaccounted for: Cephiro, sandroba, chaoser, Liquid`Sheth, Meapak_Ziphh The 2 person scum team can't save the scum in the minority and the three person scum team will have to seriously out themselves to do that. I mean it's just taking out 3 players and nothing else but I think it looks worth it. Even if the two scum teams join up, they only have 25 votes and 3 people in the majority so they can't fuck everything up and what they can fuck up comes at a great cost of outing themselves. If some of these reads are wrong then any other townie, minority or majority, should just split his votes evenly over the greens in the majority. This is really just a plan with the purpose of killing 3 people, there's probably not much else to get from it. So what about it? Lol for suggesting a plan according to your reads, I'm very sure that you figured the remaining 5 scum out already. And you're cocky enough to go for a 3-kill at once? So naive.... You do realize how easy it would be even for me as a townie to mess that up just to piss you off, or if I felt you were scum? I think you're painting a wrong picture of this situation when you say that it's according to "my reads", sounds like we're just doing whatever I feel like, which is not really true. I'm not claiming to have figured out the remaining 5 scum, I read the thread and listened to people and general consensus appears to be that those 5 are likely scum (and everybody else is likely town), so why not lynch them? Yea, my plan actually accounts for how you, as a townie, might mess it up just to piss me off. You're in red. I don't really see why any townie would mess stuff up just to piss someone else off though. If you feel like somebody is scum or whatever then there are clearly better ways to go about than to just try to mess everything up. | ||
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How can Liquid`Sheth survive if we go through with my plan? You are suggesting that he might survive if Cephiro gives Liquid`Sheth 5 votes and sandroba/Meapak_Ziphh gives him 4+ votes combined, but so what? They will be working directly against town wishes if they do that and confirm themselves as scum. @syllogism If we go through with the plan I suggested I don't see why we can't lynch three people today. There are 25 votes unaccounted for and split among 3 scum that is 9/9/7, which means that they can, if the two scum groups coordinate among themselves and out themselves in the process, save two people still leaving one dead. It's just too much risk for too little gain for scum and they'll most likely end up saving at very best one of the reds in my list. If you are so sure that they're all red then I have no idea why you are stalling with the, "it is unlikely that we can't lynch more than on today". Really, there are too many too townie people who think that these guys are a decent lynch, every excuse you can use not to go through with it is just crazy. The plan isn't even about lynching 3 people, it's about keeping 5 people alive. We cannot do better than this plan because then we would be compromising townies. I know that you're still suspicious of me wherebugsgo and gonzaw but can't you talk to syllogism or Palmar about this or something. If you guys don't want to go through with this plan and you want to lynch only one then you have to use votes for the 5 greens in my list to spend on 2 of the reds, what votes do you intend to use for this? Which of the greens do you want to take votes away from to give to the reds? | ||
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gonzaw you can PM me about this whole thing if you want to! | ||
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i'm sure you guys can figure something out | ||
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If not, can you send them to wherebugsgo or syllogism or EchelonTee or something like that? | ||
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I mentioned three other players, they can't all be my scum buddies! | ||
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Thanks. | ||
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Overall, it doesn't make sense for a scum Cephiro to not just save Meapak_Ziphh AND chaoser regardless of their respective alignment. | ||
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Like, everybody else arranges their votes so it's 4/4 split and then Cephiro can't avoid getting into majority. | ||
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The idea is that if we split Yes No Yes No Yes No Yes No Yes No Then the last guy will be in majority no matter what he says. Lets make Cephiro that guy (and maybe he'll pull sandroba with him if we're lucky) | ||
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I wont be around until tonight though. | ||
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On May 13 2012 22:58 Palmar wrote: MZ is the most likely player in the thread to be town, and while I agree with him I'm perfectly fine with this fairyland. Uh, Meapak_Ziphh is supporting a plan that would end in dead Palmar. | ||
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I was just worried because Palmar didn't get any votes according to plan but then I realized that he is minority. lol | ||
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I wanted to kill Mr. Wiggles for quite some time but Palmar told me that he was town for some reason, now he turned on a dime on that issue. @gonzaw Yes, I either agree or disagree with Palmar when he says something (or at latest, soon after he says it). I don't like the idea of the minority controlling the lynch. I want to kill Mr. Wiggles, if you guys can make that happen then I'm all for it. I'm really dead right now and I need to watch some TV and drink a beer. Please PM me. | ||
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Seriously. | ||
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Wish that you had sent out the invites a little sooner. Then I would not have joined other games and I would have had more time for this game. Anyway, gg and congratulations to EchelonTee and the Harimoto! | ||
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