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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
Again, if you've been accused and you're not one of the mafia on our ship, reacting with emotion won't help anyone. Keep calm. We will do well in a calm, rational, logical situation. We won't do well in a witch hunt. Just ask the residents of Salem, Massachussets how witch hunts help a community...... If you've been accused and you're mafia, I hope you end up following the Galileo space probe into the depths of the atmosphere of Jupiter (also if you're mafia and haven't been accused :D) Anyways, I'll be reserving my vote for a while until I hear more from everyone. | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
Nreekay and Yomi if you two are town you've a strange way of showing it. To me Town is represented by clear, concise and reasoned posts with references and the goal of enlightening the group. Voting for the sake of voting creates an atmosphere of defensive attitudes and alot of misplaced suspicions, please explain your motive. Still waiting from answers from several people. Golden. | ||
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WhySoMuch
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On April 27 2012 15:05 O.Golden_ne wrote: I agree Jailbreaker, we definitely need some more discourse on people actions. If you feel this voting for yomi will pressure that conversation to happen then i'm happy for you to do that. I also see this vote as a defence of WhySoMuch from Nreekay and Yomi's 'vampires&werewolves' related votes. I really need to hear from these two as soon as possible, with as much detail as they can provide. I want these votes to have a basis rather than being emotional or defensive votes. Nreekay and Yomi if you two are town you've a strange way of showing it. To me Town is represented by clear, concise and reasoned posts with references and the goal of enlightening the group. Voting for the sake of voting creates an atmosphere of defensive attitudes and alot of misplaced suspicions, please explain your motive. Still waiting from answers from several people. Golden. ... Do you mind explaining this? Especially how in that post you say To me Town is represented by clear, concise and reasoned posts with references and the goal of enlightening the group. and yet your post is contradictory. | ||
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Jailbreaker
United States62 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + These are my thoughts so far on what has been posted. right or wrong, this is my interpretation. On April 27 2012 02:57 yomi wrote: these players havent posted: whysomuch mordanis calls them out for lurking: bandwagon under construction On April 27 2012 03:24 yomi wrote: ya rando lynch is bad that's 25% I think to hit which is not profit. But you only need 25 more points to get to 50% and then we are in profit territory so we'll see how it plays out. if everyone is getting along friendly and lurking all day like they are now then we can't do anything. and being useless: bandwagon mobilized. On April 27 2012 03:52 Mordanis wrote: Shit. I was asleep or at class until now. Anyways, I personally think that a lynch on the first day would be a mistake. I haven't followed much mafia, played before, or read as much as I should have, and so my personal view is that it would be a shame to lynch someone solely based on trying to trim down the total pool of people in the spaceship. OHMIGOSH was called a lurker! time to panic! On April 27 2012 04:00 Mordanis wrote: As an addendum to my previous post, it is going to be hard to judge whether someone is lurking or just sleeping, seeing as we have people from USA, Europe, and even South Pacific. Since days are 24 hours and nights are 48 hours, I definitely think that you need to wait for a fairly long time (I'm thinking about 9 hours), because people do occasionally sleep  If nothing else, at least for first little bit we should tell everyone our relative schedules so that there is no misunderstanding. To start this off, I will be going to class in about an hour, and after that I'll be able to post maybe once before going to work until about 10:30ish PM (AZ time) Tries to clear lurker name. because hey, this is a gobal game right? somepeople might need more time. seemsreasonabletome. On April 27 2012 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote: But yet your own post doesn't really contribute much at all. If you think not enough people are posting or that they are posting useless stuff, wouldn't it be better if you did some analysis yourself? I think everyone are conscious about that we have mafia among us and everyone would like to avoid dumb misslynches. You are stating the obvious here. Your post is even a bit counterproductive in that you discouraging people from making posts about lynch/no lynch. Afaik there isn't much else to talk about atm but please let us know if there is something. Talking about peoples opinions about lynching gives us a tell on their gameplan/motives etc. so I find nothing bad with it. I'm off to bed now. There is a chance that I will not be able to post to much untill 20:00 CEST tomorrow. You're right, I should put more analysis into my posts. On April 27 2012 10:22 WhySoMuch wrote: Hey all, This is my first game on this site, but I have played WW elsewhere so I'm not a total newbie. First off, with regards to No-Lynch, this is a very bad idea. We have 2 kills a day as of right now, the vig and the lynch, by negating a kill we are automatically giving the wolves an edge by not taking advantage of our kill-rate. Also, even though a villager is more likely to be lynched, the information we gain via wagon analysis, late vote changes etc. becomes very valuable as we progress through the game. And a random question: Is there any way to get more posts per page? Right now mine is set to default and couldnt find a way to make me see more posts. Idk if it's possible. totally not drawing attention to myself Page 5 is the Yomi versus WhySoMuch showdown Yomi votes for whysomuch, whysomuch votes for The_Zen_Man (where did this come from?) they talk about win rates for town correctly lynching and whatnot I vote for Yomi because I feel like you are starting a bandwagon against whysomuch so early in the game then he asks why i voted for him. I think that is suspicious. then On April 27 2012 12:38 nreekay324 wrote: they're almost as bad as vampires ##vote: whysomuch so confused by this, dont know what to say. next is: On April 27 2012 13:16 WhySoMuch wrote: nreekay's vote on me is weirder than yomi I think I see this as: "YOMI has a reason to vote for me. Nreekay is prolly jumping on the bandwagon" O.Golden_ne - obvious critical analysis out in the open. BOOM CHECK IT next set of posts is my fail vote, lol. I vote for yomi for reasons stated above Mordanis- i think he is just trying to keep a "netural" image. I'm totally against the witchhunt too, I will put more analysis into posts. | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
After analysis of that post i see how you can stipulate that i was contradictory. I've stated that perhaps Jailbreakers vote against yomi is what is required to get yomi to satisfactorily explain his actions and to maybe pressure nreekay to explain himself also. I think that Jailbreakers vote may have been a bit of a knee-jerk defence of WhySoMuch, but if it yields results with yomi and nreekay then i'll allow it. i do support a first day lynch. i dont support voting for the sake of voting. i see jailbreakers vote as an opportunity to uncover other peoples motives, even though i'd rather not have to have him pressure so hard, i'd rather we were all active and could contribute. My opinion of current votes: yomi's vote seems emotional or just misdirected agression, i need a little more proof before offering my own opinion on that matter. werewolves being gay doesnt seem like a legitimate reason for me to vote. nreekays vote seems to be a bandwagon and baseless until otherwise proven. jailbreakers vote, while perhaps it might be in the same vain as these previous two might be what is required to show some light on both their intentions. whysomuch's vote is perhaps to deflect the attention off himself. i dont feel like he has addressed yomi's vote on him particularly. like i said, i'm waiting to hear from all these people before casting my own judgement. to avoid voting for the sake of voting. Does that cover it Mordanis? I think other than that slight contradiction my posts have been to the point. thoughts? | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
Okay so you feel yomi's vote is for WhySoMuch is due to his lurking. Just to shed some light on the matter, is it your opinion that an agressive stance towards lurkers (yomi) is less favourable than someone who would jump on a bandwagon such as that so easily? (nreekay). Perhaps the small shred of logic yomi has shown in his lurking argument makes him less suspicious than Nreekay? I'm just speculating at the moment, still a while to go before i cast any personal judgement. Golden | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
I didn't really address the vote on me because I thought it was a joke vote, his reasoning that went along with it are because werewolves are gay, which isn't really much to respond to. That said I'm willing to say Yomi is a villager albeit misguided because a wolf wouldn't vote me in that spot. The other guys vote on me, Nreekay, is super sketch though. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
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Jailbreaker
United States62 Posts
"it is going to be hard to judge whether someone is lurking or just sleeping" There are several who have very few posts: Starting from "day one" Lazermonkey with 2 Pure-SC2 with 3 The_Zen_Man with 1 Veriat with 3 Splinter[eP] with 1 nreekay324 with 3 AcesAnoka with 2 everyone else has at least +7 posts. more posts, more to analyze | ||
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WhySoMuch
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
I am not shrouding the fact that I havent taken any stances in fact i have made it very clear. I fully plan on making my opinions even more clear when I come up with a case. I am just not jumping to any conclusion this early in the game, before I get my facts straight. I write long posts as I don't want to be misquoted from short one liners. Also, do you feel that my posts have been contentless or have I been helpful in analyzing the current voting against you and the others? Golden | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
You can quote multiple people in the same post by using copy and paste. Quote post, copy, then paste into another link. Not hard. Click the "all" button next to the page numbers to see all pages. Surely you aren't this blind and asked these inane questions to clutter up the thread for some reason? | ||
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Jailbreaker
United States62 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
On April 27 2012 16:05 Jailbreaker wrote: Semi Long Post Warning + Show Spoiler + These are my thoughts so far on what has been posted. right or wrong, this is my interpretation. On April 27 2012 02:57 yomi wrote: these players havent posted: whysomuch mordanis calls them out for lurking: bandwagon under construction On April 27 2012 03:24 yomi wrote: ya rando lynch is bad that's 25% I think to hit which is not profit. But you only need 25 more points to get to 50% and then we are in profit territory so we'll see how it plays out. if everyone is getting along friendly and lurking all day like they are now then we can't do anything. and being useless: bandwagon mobilized. On April 27 2012 03:52 Mordanis wrote: Shit. I was asleep or at class until now. Anyways, I personally think that a lynch on the first day would be a mistake. I haven't followed much mafia, played before, or read as much as I should have, and so my personal view is that it would be a shame to lynch someone solely based on trying to trim down the total pool of people in the spaceship. OHMIGOSH was called a lurker! time to panic! On April 27 2012 04:00 Mordanis wrote: As an addendum to my previous post, it is going to be hard to judge whether someone is lurking or just sleeping, seeing as we have people from USA, Europe, and even South Pacific. Since days are 24 hours and nights are 48 hours, I definitely think that you need to wait for a fairly long time (I'm thinking about 9 hours), because people do occasionally sleep If nothing else, at least for first little bit we should tell everyone our relative schedules so that there is no misunderstanding. To start this off, I will be going to class in about an hour, and after that I'll be able to post maybe once before going to work until about 10:30ish PM (AZ time) Tries to clear lurker name. because hey, this is a gobal game right? somepeople might need more time. seemsreasonabletome. On April 27 2012 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote: But yet your own post doesn't really contribute much at all. If you think not enough people are posting or that they are posting useless stuff, wouldn't it be better if you did some analysis yourself? I think everyone are conscious about that we have mafia among us and everyone would like to avoid dumb misslynches. You are stating the obvious here. Your post is even a bit counterproductive in that you discouraging people from making posts about lynch/no lynch. Afaik there isn't much else to talk about atm but please let us know if there is something. Talking about peoples opinions about lynching gives us a tell on their gameplan/motives etc. so I find nothing bad with it. I'm off to bed now. There is a chance that I will not be able to post to much untill 20:00 CEST tomorrow. You're right, I should put more analysis into my posts. On April 27 2012 10:22 WhySoMuch wrote: Hey all, This is my first game on this site, but I have played WW elsewhere so I'm not a total newbie. First off, with regards to No-Lynch, this is a very bad idea. We have 2 kills a day as of right now, the vig and the lynch, by negating a kill we are automatically giving the wolves an edge by not taking advantage of our kill-rate. Also, even though a villager is more likely to be lynched, the information we gain via wagon analysis, late vote changes etc. becomes very valuable as we progress through the game. And a random question: Is there any way to get more posts per page? Right now mine is set to default and couldnt find a way to make me see more posts. Idk if it's possible. totally not drawing attention to myself Page 5 is the Yomi versus WhySoMuch showdown Yomi votes for whysomuch, whysomuch votes for The_Zen_Man (where did this come from?) they talk about win rates for town correctly lynching and whatnot I vote for Yomi because I feel like you are starting a bandwagon against whysomuch so early in the game then he asks why i voted for him. I think that is suspicious. then On April 27 2012 12:38 nreekay324 wrote: they're almost as bad as vampires ##vote: whysomuch so confused by this, dont know what to say. next is: On April 27 2012 13:16 WhySoMuch wrote: nreekay's vote on me is weirder than yomi I think I see this as: "YOMI has a reason to vote for me. Nreekay is prolly jumping on the bandwagon" O.Golden_ne - obvious critical analysis out in the open. BOOM CHECK IT next set of posts is my fail vote, lol. I vote for yomi for reasons stated above Mordanis- i think he is just trying to keep a "netural" image. I'm totally against the witchhunt too, I will put more analysis into posts. Regarding your post. - Why is pointing out lurkers a bandwagon under construction? If that's how you interpret it, then what the hell is this post from you? On April 27 2012 16:47 Jailbreaker wrote: As posted in Mordanis posts: "it is going to be hard to judge whether someone is lurking or just sleeping" There are several who have very few posts: Starting from "day one" Lazermonkey with 2 Pure-SC2 with 3 The_Zen_Man with 1 Veriat with 3 Splinter[eP] with 1 nreekay324 with 3 AcesAnoka with 2 everyone else has at least +7 posts. more posts, more to analyze - You think that it's suspicious that Yomi asks why voted for him after you didn't state a reason? What?! I vote for Yomi because I feel like you are starting a bandwagon against whysomuch so early in the game then he asks why i voted for him. I think that is suspicious. - On top of that you've tried to shut down valid discussion on no lynch, and have stated you don't care if we miss-lynch because collateral damage happens. I'm not sure about you. Seems too aggressive to be scummy, but something seems off. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
The only other thing you've stated is not wanting to rush to voting. That is all you've contributed. What is your read on Jailbreaker? From everyones posts so far, who are the two people you find most suspicious? | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
On April 27 2012 17:06 O.Golden_ne wrote: Whysomuch, I am not shrouding the fact that I havent taken any stances in fact i have made it very clear. I fully plan on making my opinions even more clear when I come up with a case. I am just not jumping to any conclusion this early in the game, before I get my facts straight. I write long posts as I don't want to be misquoted from short one liners. Also, do you feel that my posts have been contentless or have I been helpful in analyzing the current voting against you and the others? Golden I know you have said you are going to make stance but you have yet to do so. Someone voted me with lame reasoning, you can either find that wolfy or find that villagery. If they don't add any context then you have to figure out what that means. It's not that you don't have all the facts, you do have all the facts. But from that you aren't drawing conclusions. On April 27 2012 18:02 Pure-SC2 wrote: @WhySoMuch - we are townies on a spaceship with 3 mafia hiding amongst us. There are no villagers, there are no wolfs. Keep referencing these and I will assume you are insane and request for you to be thrown out the airlock. You can quote multiple people in the same post by using copy and paste. Quote post, copy, then paste into another link. Not hard. Click the "all" button next to the page numbers to see all pages. Surely you aren't this blind and asked these inane questions to clutter up the thread for some reason? Villagers/wolves, Townies/mafia, all the same, I will do my best to reference them as such but if I make a mistake here or there I'm sorry, I have it ingrained in me that it's villagers/wolves As for the second, thank you for explaining, though you didnt need to do it with a condescending tone. From the forum I'm from, it is laid out very different than this forum and so yes I needed to figure out how you do it. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
On April 27 2012 18:32 WhySoMuch wrote: No Lynching today is about the worse thing we can do today. Why? Would miss-lynching a townie make you happy? What makes you think we don't get information from No Lynch winning the vote? | ||
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