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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
Splinter LazerMonkey Mordanis Mafia: The_Zen_Man Nreekay | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
It's a tough call to make, whether to kill someone on the first day or not. So far everyone has had their own take on the subject and really its some of the only information with which to substantiate cases aside from lurking and early game voting. The chances of hitting a townie is a lot higher than hitting a mafia, and in another 24 hours another one of us will be dead from the mafia. So the medic should keep and eye out for those people posting the most comprehensive arguments, as this could be a target for the mafia in the early stages of the game. as an aside, have you noticed the amusing trait of lurkers to say things like "LURKERS POST MORE!! NEED MORE CONTENT!!" In regards to my upcoming vote my read has changed after a good sleep and re-read of events. 1. AcesAnoka 2. Nreekay324 3. Veriat Reasoning: 1. AcesAnoka Your whole play is erratic. You start by strangely confirming that we shouldn't lynch first day and you post that you don't want anyone to rush voting. I like the stance of not rushing voting, however if you're adding nothing to the conversation then you are just stalling everything. Amazingly you're 3rd post includes a vote. How does this logic follow?! THEN, if you take into account the person you are voting for is yomi. Yomi's playstyle is one that you have openly criticised, however it is not too unlike your own.. just with less holes in it. Next, under the pressure i put on you and a very small explanation from yomi your vote folds. My read on you AcesAnoka is that your play reeks of either a hidden agenda (perhaps defending another scum: read Nreekay) or defensive play; Town doesn't need to be defensive. 2. Nreekay324. everything i have said previously about you i feel still stands. Your explanation post was confusing with such gems as: I’ve alluded to before, and I’d like to state explicitly that I think no-lynch is a generally bad policy, with little exception. Other people have (whysomuch, lazermonkey) have made some points about this. It is very unlikely that by the deadline that town won’t have high-scum read targets to vote for. Sure, a mis-lynch would suck, but it’s not like we’re voting randomly. If there really aren’t clear scum choices, than we should no-lynch. This leads me to the next point, which is why I really think no-lynch is important. i'm really not sure where you stand at all on lynching now and it feel to me that once you get a little heat you've changed your opinion to a more neutral one. That being said, you've pointed your FOS at me and PureSC2 in the same post. Making me feel you're getting emotional over being targeted as you haven't particularly substantiated any claims against either of us. My read on you Nreekay, is you are an emotional impulsive player. You post little, and when you do post your opinions sway in the wind of what benefits you solely as a player than for town. You were effectively a lurker for a lot of the game, and this gives me little hope for you in terms of being an asset to town when the voting gets vicious. 3. Veriat Your lurking has earnt you Jailbreakers 3rd place. While his posts may have flaws, your posts have more. ##Vote: AcesAnoka - Suspicious. Hidden agenda. ##FoS: Nreekay324 - Defensive. Lurking & Impulsive Votes. Both these players seem very afraid to be lynched, and squirm under scrutiny. If AcesAnoka flips town i'll have to do a serious re-evaluate of everything. Golden | ||
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Jailbreaker
United States62 Posts
I dont want to post a Fos untill i can get my logic straightened out. Yes, I realize that my posts have flaws, but I will stand by my decision untill i am fully convinced to change my vote. I don't want to sit in the neutral zone because I feel that it is to passive. What Golden has said in the post above me, "Both these players seem very afraid to be lynched, and squirm under scrutiny." Even though it is for two different players, getting accused causes panic and action. I feel like it would be easier to identify between scum and town. Im going to stand by my vote of yomi. No apologies for my shallow posts. | ||
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nreekay324
46 Posts
On April 28 2012 05:35 yomi wrote: are you saying my vote on whysomuch made you suspicious that I was mafia? and if not, what ARE you saying? you mean if they didn't start it? im confused When I posted last night, I was thinking that Golden&PureSC2 were suspicious; They were brushing off suspicion towards you by acknowledging that this was your “playstyle “. But the reason I didn’t flat out say I was suspicious of you, yomi, was because I was waiting on your analysis/reads. Last game, you laid out some good stuff I would have went off of more (if i didn’t get shot). But I’m still waiting for that this game. Maybe you’re holding off until there’s more info, but the pace of this game is so much faster that there’s lots of stuff to go through already. So my point is, I think part of me had acknowledged your aggressive play of random voting, and had already seen you innocent. But I’ve been waiting for you to make a case, or add some analysis, or something.I realize now that my suspicion on golden&puresc2 are highly based on my suspicion of you, yomi. Its definitely possible they’re townies afraid of mis-lynching. (Golden stated he’s for d1 lynch, puresc2 finds no-lynch circumstantially acceptable) It seems puresc2, inparticular, is pretty against mis-lynches. If you don’t add anything, then you have the easiest job right now as mafia, because you’re pretty much getting a free pass atm. ##FOS yomi /remove suspicion from golden and puresc2 until I get a better read on yomi @thezenman I think what I said earlier still stands. But I think also, you have to realize that if you’re town, you should be playing to contribute to the discussion through analysis, interpretation, and taking stances based on these. First, to this ; On April 28 2012 05:13 The_Zen_Man wrote: Now, concerning your vote, i think the rest of the players would like to have a better explanation than the one you just gave. Bandwagoning on someone seems very suspicious on me, and it seems like scum-play. And as soon as people start finding you suspicious, like yomi, and votes for you, instead of explaining yourself properly you start a case against them. You seem to prefer when someone else is getting voted for no reason at all, but when you are voted for with a good reason you start a case against them. I would agree with you if you had come out and said my reasoning for voting for whysomuch was shitty. But it was early on, I was impulsive, and that’s all I can really say about it. If you think that I deserve a vote for this, there’s that. But I didn’t make case against them just because they made one against me. There were plenty of people who had/have their suspicions against me. But I made a case against them because I thought I thought I thought I saw a connection between them. (As above, it was related to yomi). I absolutely do not think that people should get voted for no reason, if this were near the deadline it would have been ridiculous. When you say this; On April 28 2012 05:13 The_Zen_Man wrote: nreekay324: As to my lack of contributing, it is mainly beacuse i've had to defend myself so much. That is why i posted my last post, so i could contribute a little. Also, i don't think you can complain on other peoples lack of contribution, as your only contributing post is the one above. it just sounds like; hey, i’ve got to defend myself. you’re not contributing either, why don’t you contribute? You need to contribute more than I do. I want to make the point that your posts should have more concrete analysis. As you mentioned earlier, when you throw suspicion back to people who are pointing their fingers at you, you only look more suspicious. Your post of opinions on people was mainly just like/dislike of those people. I get that you’re being pressured, but take the time to develop more analysis that contributes to overall town discussion. If you’re only defending yourself the whole time, it adds very little. | ||
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nreekay324
46 Posts
@golden- When I said;"If there really aren’t clear scum choices, than we should no-lynch. This leads me to the next point, which is why I really think no-lynch is important." I didn't catch it before, it should end with "I really thing d1 lynch is important." I tried to segway into saying that no-lynch policies lead to less town discussion, and encourage people to lurk. And yes, I do believe people are lurking harder than me, because content-ful discussion and analysis is more important as we draw to the end of the day. Lacking content has rough equivalents to lurking. So, @LURKERS + PEOPLE, PLEASE PUT MORE CONTENT IN UR POSTZ | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
##vote: veriat guy hasnt posted in like 3 pages and his filter is totally blank and overly friendly | ||
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Splinter[eP]
United States39 Posts
Before I pass out for the night. If I don't post much tomorrow it's because of a combination of Dota 2 tournament and Guild Wars 2 beta. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
##vote: Veriat But if in the time between now and when I wake up there is another non-helpful/very suspicious player who is close to gaining a majority I shall change my vote accordingly. Also, a lot of people have been fairly inactive. We need everyone's input. If only one member of our crew was posting, the mafia would win easily. We need the lunkers to unburrow. | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On April 28 2012 16:51 O.Golden_ne wrote: can we get a vote count? I believe Artanis said he'd be doing that whenever possible, and he's using MST, so he's probably might be asleep. If so, it may be several hours before we get an official count. Other than that, if you could do a quick, informal count that'd be great. I really need to go to bed though. G'night all. + Show Spoiler [What everyone should do] + post more content | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On April 28 2012 16:51 O.Golden_ne wrote: can we get a vote count? Yep, i just got up, gimme an hour or two please | ||
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Veriat
Denmark11 Posts
But this was just an explanation on my behavior, i'll have my analysis posted soonish. | ||
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Veriat
Denmark11 Posts
The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. | ||
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Veriat
Denmark11 Posts
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Veriat
Denmark11 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
So we're playing a newbie game here, for people who've played 3 or less games. yet here he is so ingrained in his Wolves/Villages thing that he can't even proof read his posts to change it to reflect the fact we're playing Mafia here, on the TL mafia forums, in which everyone else is referencing mafia/scum and townies? How many games do you have to have played to get it that ingrained in your head? And after its been mentioned by a few people, why wouldn't he make any effort to do something about it? Yet his posts seem well thought out and carefully worded. He goes on and asks the most basic fundamental questions that can be answered by using the tiniest bit of logical thought (how to quote posts and view more posts on a page), which doesn't line up with the fact that his posts seem to be well thought out and logical. I don't trust him. It's like he's playing this naive, simpleton role here so that he won't come under suspicion. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
You're voting for The_Zen_Man because you're puzzled by the "lynch no lynch" discussion, and you find his overal playstyle fishy. Well, what about his playstyle do you find fishy? Quote what it is that stands out for you. At the moment, you've just raised yourself a few notches higher on the scumdar. | ||
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