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At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious. On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote: One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity. Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it. And when you vote, please use the proper thread. It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Me is hardcore BLU! | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:01 SomethingAwesome wrote: the guy was asking if kenpachi was green when there are no greens in the game -mattchew My intention was to give what I believe to be the case, much like what you are doing in the above quote. In regards to the wishy-washy op, I am simply saying it is not enough solid fact to condemn someone. In regards to my attempt to blend in; I was trying to make a joke, as I assumed or at least hope that whatever role i claim does not affect your perspective of my affiliation. Instead, your perspective should only take into account my action (which you are doing, great!). To make sure that it wasn't taken as an actual role-claim, I cleverly and purposefully misused grammar to indicate my joke-ful manner. In fact, I shall do it again right now just to prove my point. Me is hardcore YELLU! | ||
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On May 03 2012 10:17 SomethingAwesome wrote: ^^ -mattchew Now are you newb or scum? | ||
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On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: grush57 I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. You better not unvote or else people will think you are just sheeping Blazinghand! I am going to ##vote blubbdavid as a placeholder for now in case I miss the voting deadline tomorrow. Goodnight. | ||
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On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush. Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy. ##vote grush57 *Looks hard to find blubbdavid's defense* On May 03 2012 08:11 blubbdavid wrote: The confusing thing is that in a sense vanilla townies are also blue roles, just without power. I wanted to ask Ken whether he had a powerrole or not. A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush. Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game? The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant. | ||
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I will ##unvote blubbdavid, if someone would kindly refer me to his defense. Thanks Barundar! | ||
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I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make. I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now). In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand). I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:56 grush57 wrote: We only have an hour left, I have a feeling BM might be modkilled and so will several others, most days end at around 9pm est not 6. Since he will be modkilled anyway, shouldn't we lynch someone else? This question is for everyone voting BM | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:57 johnnywup wrote: don't rely on modkills, thats not chivalrous lol. if we want to lynch someone we lynch them, we don't leave it up to chance that they don't post and vote last minute. They would also have to post here to not get modkilled. You want us to use a vote on someone who has less than an hour to post based on his previous reputation. Actually, I am dissatisfied with people that are in more than one game, especially in XIII (and not even some minimafia...etc). Another option is to lynch you, johnnywup, and save you from having to play both games. | ||
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Now you might say maybe he planned to post last second... If BM hasn't been on this thread, he would not have known that the voting/posting deadline has been extended by 60 minutes. Therefore he did not intentionally wait until now. | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote: This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong! I apologize for saying I want to lynch you for being in two games. What I meant to say is I want to lynch you for trying to waste D1 vote on someone who will die anyways. | ||
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Ok, I will be open to lynching BM-_- | ||
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I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM. On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote: BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity. 1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough. 2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy. 3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me. I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue. Basically: FoS on marvellosity | ||
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On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: Who is more likely to know if one of the mafia team is about to be modkilled? Members of the mafia team who can communicate privately and should know if their team mate is there (no) Members of town who can only see the thread and will have no idea who is watching the thread (yes) Interesting idea mentioned by layabout. The WIFOM would be the mafia knew katina/206 would be modkilled, should they... A) backstab katina/206 and later claim "ooh I called it, dawgs!" [grush?], or should they... B) vote BM and not backstab in hope of katina/206 returning or avoiding someone analyzing their actions as option A)?[layabout/marvel/JW?] On May 07 2012 04:23 Eiii wrote: So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. I think lynching layabout is a good option because it can give us hints regardless of his alignment. More so, like Eiii mentions above, if he flips red, but also to some extent points to grush if he flips blue. I also agree with Eiii that if layabout IS red, marvel should be our next lynch. However, I don't agree with Eiii on me being a good shoot option. T-T Afterthought after F5: layabout, I think if you are blue, grush might be our next suspect. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:15 marvellosity wrote: Good god. Are you calling layabout scum or not? And if so, why? Useless post of connections without even making a stance on layabout's alignment, yukyukyukyukyuk. Yes, I believe layabout is scum and HoS on you too marvellosity, as well as JW. Layabout was one of the forces behind lynching BM. I voted BM because I thought he was scum after some people mentioned he posted in other threads, so he chose not to post in this one instead of forgetting (layabout was one of them, by the way). Comparatively, layabouts reasons are purely "policy". In fact, if he did not think BM was suspicious, a better choice could have been Mementoss, blubb or grush. And like so many others have said, his defense on Katina is scummy. Further more, my read on layabout's play so far led me to believe he would not have backstabbed Katina/206 if he was scum, as he already defended Katina. So this fits into my WIFOM scenario. But this is just a cherry on top of the brownie fudge banana split of his case made from others and myself. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote: Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad. Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun. Nobody died yet. But don't worry. what On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: extended days?! hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game | ||
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At Paqman/layabout: layabout your defense is saying katina was talking sense, so even though DoYouHas came out with an analysis pointing katina as scum, you went with BM who wasn't making sense/playing the game? "making sense" seems unclear to me as an explanation. Do you mean logical? not contradicting? knowing what's actually going on? Most people are more or less logical. Anyone who is not would've been modkilled/lynched before BM. Again, if one is contradicting in anyway, they will be lynched even before the illogical players. No one really knows whats going on except the mafia in this game, especially in the early stages. Layabout saying katina made sense is like saying raindrops are wet. Please further clarify your defense for me. Thanks. | ||
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Jokes aside, I didn't find DYH's analysis as convincing(will explain later, want to get this post out before deadline) The only thing that is tugging at me is blubb's "slip" from day1, however, I don't find it to be worth lynching. So, I have a neutral read on blubb. | ||
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If blubb is scum, I think he is worth looking into, jumping boat last second. | ||
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But no matter, it wasn't the case anyways. | ||
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Also happy birthday N_T, didn't say it before because I wanted to say it on the day but i forgot! | ||
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I don't get grush at all. He seems to be not too great of a player but so far he has been making good calls, a little too good. FoS grush | ||
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 well heres my neck. | ||
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On May 09 2012 06:04 Blazinghand wrote: This is good news! We didn't lose any power roles, and there are only 2 mafia remaining. I'm thinking Layabout and N_T for the remaining 2 scum. Sorry for being wrong about you Ghost_403. ##vote: Nova_Terra Let's get it right this time guys Interesting to note that all players that have died have been non-power roles. | ||
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I have made cases before against both marvellosity and layabout. For marvellosity, he hasn't been making further actions that link him to scum except his mention of Kepachi (dismiss-able) and maybe his hard defense for layabout (who is scum IMO). That said, layabout is the better lynch option because of his support of katina, kenpachi(kinda), and just his general lynch the easy guy attitude. Wish he would actually defend himself instead of telling me to go read the thread:< | ||
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On May 09 2012 07:05 Blazinghand wrote: Ah, that's interesting, May 9th Nova_Terra! However, I have another player here who disagrees with you. His name is May 7th Nova_Terra! You should argue with him: I can see why you want to lynch N_T, but like N_T said, layabout has been on the proven wrong side one time too many for me. | ||
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On May 09 2012 10:18 Mementoss wrote: Also playing with and looking into Nova_Terra saying "I think he is just a bad townie" does not suffice to me. As I said before his reads may not always be right as town but he actively tries to promote discussion and makes a good effort to make cases. There is only one situation I can think of that would make Nova not scum but I'm not going to go into it because its not solid and more of a gut feeling. I want to clarify you post here: you are defending Nova_Terra, you say he IS a townie, and he is NOT bad, as he is trying to promote discussion/good effort into cases? This can't be right. Are you referring to another game? Mementoss you made cases against both grush and N_T, however I don't think you have yet done a comparison on the two. So please expand on why N_T > grush(If that is your stance). Anyhow, I would be interested to hear the the situation later on in the game. I am sad that I am on the same posting level as sinensis. I hope I had contributed a little bit more than that. | ||
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N_T > grush as lynch candidate. | ||
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On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Just got back from yet another apple store, looks like im gonna have to take an hour train ride to get to a place where teh iphone can be repaired for around 150$ isnt it wonderful So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda Please read his filter along with this case papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages. Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush. I made a neat compilation of all your post into a word document and counted your words to be 2653. I excluded all text in quotes. This data is up to this post. On May 10 2012 04:56 Nova_Terra wrote: cant tell if forgotten or actually made it out of the scumreads I also made one for myself, ofcourse excluding all text in quotes, and the count is 2213(not including this post, which has 280 words). 4 pages? 4 pages of spam maybe. On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that. I was not neutral on Blubb at that stage of the game, your summary of my post is very underrepresentative. It should be"I thought he misread, but his defense made me suspicious." I didn't think that was enough evidence to lynch him ATM. On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to. Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon. I would like to remind you that I did, in fact, post afterwards when I realize that I would not miss the deadline. On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy. This post goes like this SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read? No, I couldn't make a solid read because I didn't have enough information. This is your read: On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote: In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS) mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird. Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before. Overall 1liners Enlightens us on 1 liners throws suspicion while not doing much at all joins scummy bandwagon seems unsure agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing! makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure and so ##Vote: Mementoss Seems to fit yourself better then mementoss. solid? No. On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch. Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?) And some more 1 liners. Later, "i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said" MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose allaround, Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him ##Vote: papapanda Keyword is last section is "Agree". Yes, I will admit if I am seeing a player agreeing all the time, it raises some suspicion that he is trying to stay off the radar. However, this is how I talk/post; if you want I can try to change that but it might/not work. If you feel like this is enough to lynch me, I won't pressure you for more reason, but I want you to seriously reconsider. I think I have my two scums in layabout and marv. While I am definitely keeping my head up for other suspicious people, this is where my focus lies. If you want to find someone with little posts, look at sinensis. | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:34 layabout wrote: grush, can you maybe make a reasonable geuss at what i meant by that post? Are you saying that papaganda is town now? + Show Spoiler + i will give you a hint, it contains living players because the scum that we are looking for are still alive papapanda! | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:54 Nova_Terra wrote: [spoiler] Hmm. I find it interesting that you seem to think that your reads were solid and mine werent. mine were "mem does X Y And Z scummy" and voted on it, yours were "i agree with X that Y is scummy but it goes along with Ys meta" etc. with no real pressure on it a all. Please change the agree thing. I will think over your posting more, but for now i leave my vote on you. i am interested as to what your two scumreads flip as, however. What I said was it was too early for any case to be solid. No worries, layabout:p | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:31 Nova_Terra wrote: Then say that youre neutral leaning scum or something on him. dont say this "makes him normal but this is scummy" and do nothing with it I did nothing in terms of getting blubb lynch day one, if thats what you mean. However, I did put a vote on him when he was my most suspicious player before points on BM where brought up. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: Or a man who hasn't been watching N_T's play. I thought you thought N_T was scum. Ugh, have to rethink my suspicion list again... However with what I had so far, next in line is grush. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Player’s Votes: 1. Nova_Terra Day1 Mementoss Day2 Kenpachi (modkilled) Day3 papapanda 2. froggynoddy Day1 grush57 Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 grush57 3. papapanda Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 layabout Day3 layabout (lynched) 4. Sinensis Day1 grush57 Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 layabout (lynched) 5. Paqman Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 (Kenpachi) (modkilled) Day3 layabout (lynched) 6. Mementoss Day1 Nova_Terra Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 7. Blazinghand Day1 Nova_Terra Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 8. marvellosity Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 9. Eiii Day1 Mementoss Day2 layabout Day3 layabout (lynched) 10. I10f Day1 Day2 Eiii Day3 grush57 11. grush57 Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 layabout (lynched) Things that stand out: grush's votes have all resulted in lynch. No one voted on ANY red EXCEPT NT (and paqman) on Kenpachi, where he got modkilled afterwords. papapanda's votes have been all townies: ( BH and Mementoss has put all their votes on NT DARN it was color coded before>< | ||
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Thoughts about N_T: 1. His FOS are mememtoss, kenpachi, layabout, papapanda (Well, he voted for kenpachi, he didn't really make a case) but never really contributed much to discussion. 2. N_T's relationship with kenpachi grabbed my attention(reading their filters). He jumps on the bandwagon, Kenpachi says to lynch N_T, layabout, and marvellosity (+paqman). layabout flipped town, so this might be a list of people who are all townies, or a mixed bag. Considering that while kenpachi asked for a replacement, he was still in the game for red at that moment, and I think he wasn't under the impression he was getting lynched soon, this list seems to make more sense as a list of townies(this is WIFOM though:/). Thoughts about grush: 1. Lots of FOS with little to no backings. Does not contribute to discussion, does not benefit town at all(even less than N_T). 2. Interactions with red team include voting on katina, calling out sinani, and defended by Kenpachi (sorta) when paqman votes grush. Again, I am not so sure about Kenpachi outright supporting another scum, so this case is still kinda invalid. 3. Grush is a sheep (yes I sheeped too, but a little less than grush), all his votes have been part of the lynch of townies. grush57: Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 layabout (lynched) Overall, both still come across to me as nooby-townies, but I am leaning towards lynching N_T "for information" to see Kenpachi's move. | ||
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On May 13 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: So you want to vote for N_T or Grush57 both of whom... strike you as town? By what unbelievable compromise of mental acuity could you possibly think voting for a town player is a good move today? Let me break it down for you: our goal is to lynch scum. I don't give a dick what "info" lynching someone will give us if he flips town. I personally believe N_T is scum, but the fact that you're willing to vote him and also claim he's town is utterly preposterous. I literally can't imagine why you would do this unless you are scum. ##unvote ##vote: papapanda I don't recall who, but someone said don't throw away our votes. And to do that, we must focus on 2-3 people each day so mafia has less influence. In this case, I assumed our 3 candidate for lynch is Eiii, Grush, and N_T. Yes, grush has made some suspicious actions,and yes, N_T has made some suspicious actions; Eiii less so for me. My post was based on this assumption and my analysis of each of these three players. So let me rephrase. The content of my argument points to Grush and Nova_Terra being bad players, and the likelihood that they are bad-townies is the same, if not more, as them being bad-mafias. Regarding information in quotations, I was referring to this post: On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote: Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info. The point I was trying to get across was that using his logic, lynching N_T would have been just as viable. | ||
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Mememtoss said not to throw away votes: On May 12 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote: Its pretty hard to "tip the balance" with 2/12 people. Thats also why I say don't throw away your votes as a townie. If the person you think is not going to get lynched and you can't convince anyone else. Then use your best judgement to vote for who you think is scummiest that has a possiblity of getting lynched. Throwing away your vote on a person with 0 votes ultimately gives the mafia heavier sway in deciding who gets lynched. And no 2 mafia to 10 townies is a good position. We haven't lost any PR's but I doubt we have any. If we keep the discussion active town will win. The fact that half the town is quiet most of the town is the only chance of town losing. Someone also said to post all FoS, so I just want to bring up sinensis once again. On May 12 2012 12:13 Sinensis wrote: I am sick of seeing scummy, zero effort posts like this from N_T. His posting has been a huge issue in the thread ever since day 1. I am putting l10f and papapanda on the back burner until N_T is dead. -I am going to vote N_T until he is dead- (I WILL BOLD IT SINCE NO ONE LISTENS TO ME NORMALLY) ##vote: Nove_Terra If you flip town I don't know what I believe anymore. He is going to vote Nova_Terra until he is dead, seems like an easy bandwagon for a scum. FoS Sinensis, I will be listening to you very closely. | ||
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On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote: I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind. Mmk I will try to respond to your case. Part I: Regarding my first post Yes, I was putting /s to try to cover all loopholes of misunderstanding. Afterwards I realized that no one gives a crap about that so I stopped. By the way it was SomethingAwesome who said it looks scummy/wishywashy. Ok, no adjectives before my "I am blu!" claim next time, gotcha.(please refer to the part where I said this line doesn't mean anything when SA brought it up) Part II: Regarding exchange with SA His was nitpicking at my use of smilies (much like you are now...) and his typo made it appear like he was being contradictory. I didn't catch the typo, but after being pointed out I apologized. It's true that I wouldn't have called him scum even if he did make that mistake but I was obviously unhappy with what he was picking at from my post... Part III: Regarding exchange with Sinensis I called you out because you didn't give a reason for voting for grush. AND I believe the reason for your vote is because HE didn't give a reason for voting Katina. Changing your vote (without giving a reason) would have been following exactly in grush's footsteps. I was giving you a fair warning to state your reason for your vote. I will ignore the next quote because it is a very grush-like thing to say... Part IV a: Regarding vote for Bill Murray It is obvious that you were not following the thread or else you would've taken that filter as out of context as you did. I was against wasting vote on someone will would've been modkilled anyways. I was under the impression BM wouldn't have known that the day have been extended by 1 hour, therefore nullifying all argument made by JW about scum waiting for last second to vote. I was reminded that BM posted that he knew + he posted in other mafia games. I agreed that it was suspicious to be on the other mafia game but not here, so I voted him. Part IV b: Regarding reasoning behind vote for BM(lynching because of his experience) No, I'm obviously not as experienced as you, but I did follow a few games and read the award thread(lol); I can tell the expienced players from the less experienced. I realize how my reasoning may be flawed now, but let me explain my thought process then in an example of a game of 50(basketball). Player A is better than you by a lot, and player B is better than you by a little. Somehow, you got your "ice" and have a chance to knock out 1 of them, won't you chose to try to knock out player A because if you knock him out you have a better chance of winning? Mafia is not the same 50, but I hope I have made myself clear enough. Part V: Regarding information On May 13 2012 07:12 papapanda wrote: Regarding information in quotations, I was referring to this post: The point I was trying to get across was that using his [own] logic, lynching N_T would have been just as viable. -My Turn- On May 11 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote: l10f is suspicious too to me but it's more subtle than papapanda. Plus it was layabout's dying wish that some kind of investigation be had of l10f... I just can't think of anything solid right now. Your analysis of I10f is ridiculous. What action can there be except for ones posts? It's great you are trying to post your FOSs, but don't put the bolded line in above quote in. It just seem to be as a scummy excuse to start the ball rolling for the lynch another towny. (You don't see this marvellosity?) | ||
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I am not too sure what you mean by "textbook mafia," but I'll let give part1 to you. However, the other parts I will try again, Part3: Oh, its not ok for grush to just ##vote name, so I'll just do the exact same thing! Part4: I think you mistook the bulk of my post here. I made an error so I was against voting BM -> I was corrected and agreed BM looked scummy -> I voted BM, he ended up being town. Part5: The point I was trying to make is by using N_T's own lynch-logic, N_T himself can be a great candidate. Marvellosity: Using information from the alignment-flip after death should only be used when the flip is red IMO. When layabout flipped green, we know that layabout does not actually HAVE information. But using Kenpachi, we know he HAS information because he is red, so obviously his suspicions can have extra meaning behind it. When Sinensis said because layabout says so, it sounded scummy to me as layabout had no facts; Sinensis was just trying to abuse the fact that layabout is town. My thoughts on l10f: l10f lacks strong explanation for the people who he calls out. Looking at his list he doesn't make explanations either. He claims he is bad at scumhunting, but is good at weighing in factors made by other people(He called correctly on N_T). This allowed him to excuse himself from actively scum-hunt and avoid making mistake if he is scum. You mentioned his inconsistency, but it looks like he really wants to lynch Eiii. His reason for calling you out is from various times when you defended people who flipped scum, and I am not sure what to make on that. A reason I am sitting at my computer with a raised eyebrow right now is stuff like this: On May 14 2012 03:02 l10f wrote: Looks like N_T is gonna get lynched. I'm gonna look so bad if he flips red lol Sounds like he knew he was flipping blue. I'll keep an eye open for him(like sinensis), but I think Grush is my vote for the next day. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 11:40 Sinensis wrote: I meant I was planning to vote Papapanda the next day cycle... but I'm not 100% positive I am sticking with that anymore. He's still one of my top choices, I just need a bit to think about some other people before I commit. I wasn't expecting N_T to flip town. 1. I would like to clarify once again that I didn't actually want to lynch N_T for information. I wrote it to show N_T how his logic can be applied on himself. 2. Can I ask which people you are thinking about? Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read? Paqman: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote: Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I. His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense. This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point? Everyone else: If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I believe we are 1 lynch away from LYLO. IMO scum will try hard to focus down one or two guys for lynch. To counter this, I encourage everyone to read over everyone's filter. Opposite of what l10f is saying, I do not agree with focusing on two people. | ||
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Like Eiii said, grush hasn't been helpful to town the whole game. Grush made absurd calls, omgus everyone, and at first seemed to know one too many facts. He's been missing the rest of his calls after I told him though lol. Grush was always scummy, but that might just be the quality of a bad townie. WIFOM: Grush is actually mafia and is playing like a noob town. IMO Sinensis plays like a slightly better grush I am thinking about l10f right now as a lynch candidate.Point one, I think its suspicious that he lurked through early game and emerges with the list/becomes more active. An actual lurker will play like Grush, but l10f lurks to stay off radar first few days and pops up only after we want to take out lurkers because mafia has an easy time hiding among them. I feel like this might be around the time when previous lurking mafia starts to pop up, since bandwagoning will draw too much attention now. My second point is the fact that he wants to narrow the lynch candidates right now, with 24 hours to go at the time of his post(exactly! wow!). If we focus on 2 lynch candidate, that will be where most of our attention is shifted to. The two candidate will (most likely, unless its grush...) try to defend themselves and the rest of us will try to nippick at them, and less time on looking for the actual mafia. Am I wrong in saying this marv? Even if I am, I think the first point alone is enough for me right now. EBWOP for my post above marv.: My question for you, paqman, is because I didn't see your response to that point(having an agenda?), which I thought was important part of marv's argument. | ||
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On May 16 2012 12:19 Sinensis wrote: There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. Sorry, Sinensis, how does this make sense in any way? Grush has been on town radar since day one, why would mafia make it easier for town by taking him out? Voting for l10f, right now, but if you're a townie, l10f, don't give up and please keep trying to prove that to me. | ||
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On May 17 2012 03:57 grush57 wrote: Well, if l10f doesn't flip scum the 2 scum are the ones voting for me, froggynoddy and Sinesis. ##vote: l10f Hilarious. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:22 marvellosity wrote: Thread is dead to papapanda: apart from you and those you asked, I do not know I am confused. We are at LYLO if mafia successfully hits. I think I will base my decision on tonight's kill. | ||
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what are you thoughts now? | ||
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Yeah, your post makes sense, but I think what I was ultimately trying to say he is town(a bad one, though) for me. | ||
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Here's my breadcrumb: On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote: Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read? Paqman: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote: Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I. His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense. This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point? If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I am not sure how to explain it, but I had a feeling the either Marvel or Paqman is scum. So I changed the words in their own quote hoping they will catch on to my message. My reasoning for doing this I believe that Paqman/Marvel might be the next target, and forming a 3 way group might make whoever was the scum less likely to hit the other. And ofcourse, if I died, the other one would have been suspicious of the remaining one. Also, I requested 3 names from each of them. I wanted to use this information to find out which of them is scum. If Marvel and Paqman had said to prioritized A, B, and C, I would pick D to save because they now know who I am going to save. And if I indeed saved D, I would've used this information against them. Unfortunately, I didn't receive names in reply (or I missed itXD). I guess people don't really read quoted text. So none of my plan worked, but at least I hope this can clear my name from the list and narrow our lynch targets. Marv: When I said I would wait on last nights kill results before I say my vote, I thought it might have been you or Paqman. I am pretty certain one of you is scum. When neither of you died, it confused me but I think now that the reason is to keep the cover. However, even after Paqman revealed, he is not cleared yet for me. Right now I am leaning towards lynching you, if you have any information, please bring it out now. | ||
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I'm glad you picked up my message though, and I am satisfied with your reasoning, assuming you believed Paqman didn't pick up on this. So what is your proposed plan, Marv? Do you believe we caught our two scums in grush and froggy? | ||
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Who do you think we should lynch today? | ||
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Had we gotten a mafia lynch the last day, it would've at least given Paqman one more day to track, assuming mafia would've hit me. I felt like I played my role as depressed soldier well enough. However I am sorry I was so terrible at scum-hunting, and have little to contribute each day(, BH). gg wp. | ||
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maybe people should listen to him next game? lolXD | ||
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