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On April 22 2012 08:12 froggynoddy wrote: Hey NT, won't let you kill me so easily this time :p Thats okay, i enjoy crushing hopes of success even more | ||
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I cant help but think grush57s move was too dumb for a scum to make. Unless theres some day 1 bus plan going on. Also blubbs "slip" doesnt mean anything. | ||
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On May 03 2012 14:51 Sinensis wrote: I can't help but think grush57's move was too dumb for town to make. "2 dumb 2 be scum" isn't a pardon. It doesn't even make sense. No, it makes sense, but it isnt a pardon, i agree. Im null on him, not finding him townie because of him being too dumb. And mafia are much more careful than town. | ||
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On May 04 2012 05:16 Sinensis wrote: Looks like some random dude voted me because my post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on. [sic]" I like how he mimics the post he has a problem with by explaining himself with the same mock style I use. I don't care about his snap vote at all, let him be useless for all I care. But his point is still completely valid | ||
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On May 04 2012 07:19 Blazinghand wrote: Clearly grush is going for the "too dumb/bad/newb to be scum" tactic but I will not be swayed by such tickery! seeing as you suggested that that is a tactic, it is safe to assume that many town players do this and therefore it is a scum tactic. And so too dumb/bad to be scum is a completely valid argument. apparently thats too vague for you, so I think grush isnt scum and will not vote for him today. Im fine with defending someone i think isnt scum. Also dont summarise my content incorrectly. I never said anything about having no scumreads, just none worthy of noting yet. I think ghosts points are completely valid, but i am 1. not bandwagoning until i am more sure and 2. not pressing an issue which has already been pressed. Its not smart to make a bandwagoning snap vote for the exact same reasons as a player before. Im just keeping sinensis at the back of my mind. Blazinghand, why would you choose me as likely to be scum instead of sinensis, for instance? Sinensis doesnt contribute, but you seem to want to defend him. | ||
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And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum. Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd. | ||
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On May 04 2012 14:57 Blazinghand wrote: 1. I've been here on TL Mafia for about half a year. I've played in nearly a dozen games of Mafia. I argue a lot on the internet in general. You might say I've seen a lot of arguments. I mention this to be absolutely unambigous when I say: this is some of the worst logic I have ever encountered. I suggested it's a scum tactic. That scum use. Too dumb to be scum isn't a valid argument, and the FACT that I say it isn't a valid argument can't MAKE it a valid argument. I don't even know how to interact with you after a phrase like that. 2. That's the same thing. Not posting scumreads = not having scumreads. The town benefits from conversation. You were not helping. 3.This is a fair question. Allow me to explain: sinensis made this post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 12:46 Sinensis wrote: What the hell are you talking about? If you're having a hard time digesting my first post I can try chewing it for you? How about this: I am voting grush because he refuses, yes refuses, to explain why he is doing anything he is doing. All he does is vote, unvote, apologize. That's all I expect scum to do. You are number 2 on my suspicion list Mr. papapanda. I hope you have a good rest. In this post he calls out Panda, explains his vote on grush, and says panda is a scumread of his. In this singular post he does more than you have done all game. This doesn't mean Sinensis is necessarily town. But he contributed a butt ton more than you did. 4. I don't care WHAT your reason is for not posting much. I don't care if you're butthurt, or if you're too busy having dinner made for you by your mom. It doesn't matter, it's not relevant. What *is* relevant is this game. To win this game, we need to talk. You haven't been talking. You still haven't posted a legit scumread. Currently your most aggressive pressure on sinensis is: 5.Are you serious? You think that's helping? That a phrase like THAT will pressure him into responding to allegations? That's so waffly, so utterly useless, so inconceivably deprived of utility, that I can't even say you've done anything this game. Anything at all. Scum. 1. You suggested its a scum tactic. It doesnt make sense to say that its a common scum tactic when town dont do it commonly. Now it just seems like you are purposely misunderstanding me. 2. Just wrong, I can have scumreads that i do not feel should be posted until i can get more infos to back them up. as i do. 3. Fair answer 4. That wasnt a post as an excuse for lurking. Its that for instance a known name like you will have a better sway than say, me, in a random trust based situation. Just saying how that bothers me. Its just how it is. I will not be pressured into making a scumread while it still has a very high probability of error because of very low post count. If this was a newbie game, i wouldnt have a problem with making a scumread this early and voting on it. but it isnt, and so far I do not find it advantageous to play as if it was. 5. Its obvious that he isnt responding to allegations as of yet, therefore im waiting for him to post more or not post at all. I dont see a problem with saying that im keeping him in my mind. OH maybe if you tell me that im scum more my role will change | ||
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On May 04 2012 22:58 Mementoss wrote: BH, I agree with most of your points on Nova Terra I actually had the same notes as you did. His response today was also lackluster. In the games I played/observed with when he was vanilla town he was all over the place trying to push discussion. I think his "im intimidated by vets" is just an excuse for him to lurk and post when it feels convenient. Not committed to saying anything solid, stuff like I don't think hes scum for sure, and I'll keep him in the back of my mind. It could be a situation where Nova rolled scum. Post a solid statement, not pretty much agree with someone and rephrase their stuff. Also i find this funny Not committed to saying anything solid, stuff like I don't think hes scum for sure It could be a situation where Nova rolled scum. Just lol | ||
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mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird. Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before. Overall 1liners Enlightens us on 1 liners throws suspicion while not doing much at all joins scummy bandwagon seems unsure agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing! makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure and so ##Vote: Mementoss | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote: I expected to come back to people actually voting, and people posting why they are good votes. I come back to 10 people still haven't voted with an hour left, and everyone in the thread just posted one liners about names out of a hat who to vote, without any reasoning at all. How does this post help anything in any way | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote: I expected to come back to people actually voting, and people posting why they are good votes. I come back to 10 people still haven't voted with an hour left, and everyone in the thread just posted one liners about names out of a hat who to vote, without any reasoning at all. This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong! | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Nova, i think it illustrates how pissed we should all be that 10/26 players in the game didn't feel like it was worth voting before now and that a number of them are likely to be modkilled Sorry, it might be that im a bit bitter about the fact that tons of people are gonna be modkilled and posts that do nothing but further point that out just feels like rubbing it in my face. | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. Oh wonderful, a connection case. Nothing quite like totally breaking the window of nice town atmosphere. This doesnt make any sense. he thinks im not mafia but then suddenly does because people dont immediately vote me and instead make a different target. And suddenly those people are mafia too. wtf you said you thought i was townie until these people thought i was townie. | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:56 Blazinghand wrote: OH WAIT DO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO KILL N_T NEVER MIND WE'RE GOING BACK TO HIM ##unvote ##vote N_T cute | ||
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On May 05 2012 07:01 Blazinghand wrote: Also, happy birthday Its actually in 2 days, i was just retarded when i set that lol thanks though | ||
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On May 05 2012 07:02 Mementoss wrote: Happy Birthday Nova_Terra <3 | ||
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On May 06 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote: There are moves to fuck with you (a la Risen) and then there is saying one thing and doing the other (as with layabout this case). Imo these two scenarios are not the same. Re f5-ed the thread to see BH's comment - fuck you, sweetheart. To your final question - I don't know. This is why I've prodded l10f not so long ago. Sinensis and Eiii are not far behind on who I'd like to hear a lot more from (sinensis for general quietness, Eiii because for his own reasons doesn't like talking at night, so I want him to talk more during the day). while I'm here, Nova hasn't provided any further commentary on who he finds scummy. Personally I get where he's coming from in not wanting to push something when he hasn't got anything solid, but having stated he had reads it'd be pretty nice to hear them. Summary: nope, no bigly strong scumread at the moment. wanna hear more from people i've not heard much from, because at the moment i only have anti-scum reads (layabout, grush) Did you miss my thing on mementoss? | ||
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Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:59 Mementoss wrote: Considering your doing about as much as him why not vote you?... This seems familiar to another lynch that just happened, hmmmm BM townie lynch? because i am town | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:50 marvellosity wrote: I'm starting to really dislike Nova_Terra. BH just pointed out that he hadn't posted in about a day. And looking at his filter, we have a whole stream of one-liners before that anyway. A day without posting and we get this: Just nothingness. What I don't get is that he had a 'big' case on Mementoss where he reels off a bunch of whole things about why Mementoss is scummy. Except he's basically completely willing to abandon this read because he doesn't like a Kenpachi connection case. It's fair enough not liking connection cases, but to abandon your top read over it? Also looking back this post is just smelly Reads as: "I don't wanna post. I don't wanna post. Kill the people who don't wanna post". After the point I criticised him for not giving his reads, he subsquently gives Mementoss, then has a go at Kenpachi, a bunch of fluff, abandons case on mementoss, afks for a day and a one-liner on Kenpachi. I do not like at all. I never abandoned my case on mementoss. However i feel that a lynch on him has a lot of resistance and therefore i am expanding my horizons. And no, read that as i dont like it that well known players have more influence. By shooting into the lurker crowd i was saying that with such amount of lurking which i am guilty of as well, a vigi shot on someone useless could be acceptable. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:13 Blazinghand wrote: One a scale of Bill_Murray to 10 how serious are you right now? This isn't helping you, or the town. Im dead serious about voting to lynch a player just as worthless as myself instead of myself because i know that i am town and will actually have time after tomorrow | ||
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No, Im trying to at least stay alive and make sense in my lynch targets until i have the time for something majorly useful | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:56 Blazinghand wrote: This is not acceptable. Not even close. You might have slipped past my D1 but not any more. Now you die like scum. ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra Defend yourself or die like a punk Scumslip, like scum means that you know im not scum and therefore you are scum Seriously though, i know. its impossible to defend myself though, as the biggest case seems to be that im lurking and not contributing. I havent had the time to post in the way i normally would or even make a filter based case. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:27 layabout wrote: But you have time to tell us that you don't have time to post? you do realize that it takes a lot of time to make a decent case | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:28 marvellosity wrote: Indeed, and multiple times at that. These responses have just helped firm up my read. ##Vote: Nova_Terra Okay, thanks for letting us know | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. ^ I dont think the problem is making scummy posts in my case, i think its just lack of posts | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:39 Sinensis wrote: Jesus man you call that a defense? Defense implies defending yourself, not incriminating yourself. Are you freaking joking? im answering mementoss. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote: Would have been quite easy for me to bandwagon you on day 1 instead of BM though, wouldn't it? him and i were/ are interchangably easy. you progress from him to me. your point? | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote: That's not sufficient reason to unvote, typically. What if NT is legitimately playing like some horribly scummy game? what would my motivation be to play this awful/scummy? isnt it more likely that im unable to be here more than i am currently? | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:37 Kenpachi wrote: lawl. excess mafia i guess. been busy and decided to abuse that by making no posts to bait a scum. gg i asked for replacement makes no posts -> HAH BAITED ALL MY VOTERS lolwut | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:51 Blazinghand wrote: You're trying to hide and I called you out. Seems pretty obvious... rofl, i mean how im called out and i cant/am not trying to(your thoughts) remedy the situation and instead ask for a pass by this does not make sense from a scum point of view | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: That's basically what you're doing already... no | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:55 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah it does! You realize your actions are indefensible so you make some dirty, dirty appeal to IRL and asking for a pass. I'm not a teacher, I don't give out hall passes, you gotta earn them yourself by being useful. And you're not. ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra Lol what... I'm not dumb. I wouldn't make inexcusable actions if I was scum. And I would legitimately defend myself. I don't see any reason a scum wouldnt defend himself instead of asking to not be killed | ||
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On May 09 2012 06:33 Blazinghand wrote: Oh, another promise of some analysis in the distance future by N_T. I'm so moved. im glad now tell me what my motivation for bussing kenpachi at that point is in your mind | ||
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Obviously, scum has to have a motivation behind doing things. that move doesnt make sense from a scum point of view, unless bh thinks of it differently, and therefore i am asking | ||
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thats a filter check which saw nothing of use. and connection cases are terrible and please, i at least think my scum play is not so dumb that i would get myself bussed by an ally then start a vote against said ally with no xontent with the purpose of getting him lynched | ||
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On May 09 2012 06:39 Blazinghand wrote: Scum. please continue to call me scum if it makes you more sure of an incorrect read | ||
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On May 09 2012 06:49 Blazinghand wrote: KP calls you scum: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:50 Nova_Terra wrote: Oh wonderful, a connection case. Nothing quite like totally breaking the window of nice town atmosphere. This doesnt make any sense. he thinks im not mafia but then suddenly does because people dont immediately vote me and instead make a different target. And suddenly those people are mafia too. wtf you said you thought i was townie until these people thought i was townie. You respond to it kinda noncomittally, mostly with a "WTF". Then: Then: As you can see, this is a low-effort counter-bus. N_T doesn't post a case, making it an OMGUS to KP's bus. N_T answer my layabout question please. If i was mafia and saw that kind of case against me, i would laugh because its ridiculous im getting to that | ||
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2. Layabout goes on Townie Blubbdavid who is then lynched 3. Layabout defends Mafia kenpachi, who dies to kurumis fist of modkillery this shows outcomes that makes layabout seem more scummy | ||
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I should have analysis up tomorrow, please lynch me if i fail to do this and you still think im scum. I've had a rediculously dumb busy week so far, only had time to post with iphone and ipad. me as a townie when seeing a connection case that bad makes me go WTF and get offended that something so blatantly bad against me can be a contribution me as scum when seeing a connection case makes me giggle and repeatedly say gg to myself because it is so blatantly bad | ||
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On May 09 2012 07:05 Blazinghand wrote: Ah, that's interesting, May 9th Nova_Terra! However, I have another player here who disagrees with you. His name is May 7th Nova_Terra! You should argue with him: When this behavior is continued on and on, it obviously makes someone more scummy | ||
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isnt it wonderful So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda Please read his filter along with this case papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages. Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush. On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote: My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you. At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious. It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Me is hardcore BLU! However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that. Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to. Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon. Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy. On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote: Blazinghand: I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make. I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now). In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand). I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of. This post goes like this SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read? Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch. Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?) And some more 1 liners. Later, "i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said" MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose allaround, Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him ##Vote: papapanda | ||
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On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote: froggynoddy you are now confirmed town so my scumteam is in here: grush57 l10f Eiii papapanda cant tell if forgotten or actually made it out of the scumreads | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote: Though none of them died so they couldn't flip scum, however it is pretty clear they are all town. how | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:44 papapanda wrote: I made a neat compilation of all your post into a word document and counted your words to be 2653. I excluded all text in quotes. This data is up to this post. I also made one for myself, ofcourse excluding all text in quotes, and the count is 2213(not including this post, which has 280 words). 4 pages? 4 pages of spam maybe. I was not neutral on Blubb at that stage of the game, your summary of my post is very underrepresentative. It should be"I thought he misread, but his defense made me suspicious." I didn't think that was enough evidence to lynch him ATM. I would like to remind you that I did, in fact, post afterwards when I realize that I would not miss the deadline. No, I couldn't make a solid read because I didn't have enough information. This is your read: Seems to fit yourself better then mementoss. solid? No. Keyword is last section is "Agree". Yes, I will admit if I am seeing a player agreeing all the time, it raises some suspicion that he is trying to stay off the radar. However, this is how I talk/post; if you want I can try to change that but it might/not work. If you feel like this is enough to lynch me, I won't pressure you for more reason, but I want you to seriously reconsider. I think I have my two scums in layabout and marv. While I am definitely keeping my head up for other suspicious people, this is where my focus lies. If you want to find someone with little posts, look at sinensis. Hmm. I find it interesting that you seem to think that your reads were solid and mine werent. mine were "mem does X Y And Z scummy" and voted on it, yours were "i agree with X that Y is scummy but it goes along with Ys meta" etc. with no real pressure on it a all. Please change the agree thing. I will think over your posting more, but for now i leave my vote on you. i am interested as to what your two scumreads flip as, however. | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:46 Sinensis wrote: N_T your "analysis" post makes me feel like we are playing a different game. No one is going to vote papapanda today... If you're scum why didn't you deflect attention onto an easier target like layabout? Is layabout your scum buddy? Why didn't you deflect attention onto layabout anyway, do you think he's town? If you are town and you have been suspecting papapanda for a while now, why didn't you say something about it before everyone was on your back asking for contribution? You could have at least mentioned you were suspicious of him and that would have counted for a small contribution. The post that set me off on papapanda and made me remember that he was in the game is one where he agreed with me and didnt at the same time or maybe it was when he agreed with me and understood someone else. before that, i didnt really think anything of him also im not scum, and therefore im not deflecting onto an easy target when i want these thoughts on papa out | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote: Though none of them died so they couldn't flip scum, however it is pretty clear they are all town. answer how is it clear in any way that they are all town | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:06 papapanda wrote: What I said was it was too early for any case to be solid. No worries, layabout:p Then say that youre neutral leaning scum or something on him. dont say this "makes him normal but this is scummy" and do nothing with it | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:41 layabout wrote: You are full of crap [1]ways like what exactly? relying on the calimed vig in the hopes that we have an engineer and they picked refill ammo and life over doctor? relying on having a blu demoman that has placed bombs on the players we want, and then manages to get themselves killed? relying on red not having a medic that can counteract these night hits? The lynch is the most reliable way to kill players if we decide to. There are so many lurkers that we cannot grant them immunity from the lynch on the grounds that "our blues will deal with them" as you are doing. Would you have us ignore scummy players that are lurking and lynch elsewhere? If BM had been the only death 1 we would be in a similar position to most towns that ever were having mislynched a townie day 1. [2]The candidates we had when i opened the thread where grush57 5 votes and then a few people with 1-2 votes. The votes were spread out. I thought and still think that grush is town. Lynching a "lurker" was the best move we could have made+ Show Spoiler + Strictly speaking BM was an inactive. [3]??? Let's pretend that you didn't post this: which describes the information gained from lynching me, after you emphasized the value of information. You want to kill me because i pushed a lynch that didn't give us much information. Boo fucking Hoo. That is not the point of a lynch. You lynch to kill scum. When you are desperate you might lynch a lurker (who has a chance of flipping scum) over player that are active or that you have town reads on. [4]He is dead isn't he? I got the lynch onto him, and i would do it again. I am also going to shamelessly hijack Palmar's reputation by pointing out that he supported a BM lynch and he flipped VanillaTown/Blu Team + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Bill Murray [5]"questionable defense?" i think ghost summed it up here: *ghost tragically forgot this later on when other people suggested killing me. [6]You will weep tears and become the laughing stock of the entire forum! On May 07 2012 07:07 layabout wrote: Can somebody other than me adress why the above post from Eiii is wrong so that instead of just arguing with each other i can pretend that you don't exist and play the game and he can not post at me? i will even get you started: contradiction: comment which has nothing to do with what i wrote: so we should kill lurkers by means other than the lynch. whoever gets the most votes dies. always, the lynch kills people, whoever it targets dies It is reliable killing mechanism. Vig shots can be blocked by red & blue medics and engineers (medics), and red roleblockers(syies and blu heavies (veterans). An unreliable killing mechanism. Since we had an awful chance of lynching scum (spread out votes, weak cases, limited discussion, nearly everyone was afk and the leading candidate looked green(blu)) I went into last resort mode and tried to get us to lynch BM. You then called me scummy for pushing a lynch that generated limited information, when the very concept of lynching for information has been agreed upon by this sites best regarded players as a bad town play that you can take advantage of as mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 + Show Spoiler + When the town is allowed to focus on one or two key topics at a time (without the same points being repeated over and over), then the town is in a strong place. Lack of doubt, inflammatory posting, and strong town leadership must be avoided. Here are some of the things mafia can do to steer the town in the wrong direction: Incite active or aggressive players to do the work for you. If you can get a player emotionally invested enough in one train of thought, they can likely cause the chaos you need without linking you directly to the bad atmosphere. If something goes wrong, the town will generally blame the most vocal and aggressive person, even if someone else was really behind the chaos. By letting other townies do the work for you, you allow them to take the fall when town realizes they were on the wrong track. guess i got carried away. The introduction is a bit hateful. I think i will just edit it slightly. On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote: froggynoddy you are now confirmed town so my scumteam is in here: grush57 l10f Eiii papapanda On May 11 2012 05:49 layabout wrote: Eii would be my pick for the scum other than grush. He has a similar (pityful) post count to l10f but within it a different agenda is clear. I do not wish to re-start my argument with him but a quick glance show that whilst that was one of many posts from me. The argument with me was the thing that Eiii felt deserved the most time and effort. Then after making it clear that he thought i was scum (and arguing with me even though most of the guides here tell you not to argue with the person you are pushing as you do not need to convince them) he follows me onto blubb.* now his vote for blubb was strange and is one thing that makes him look like town as there was no real reason for him to switch as scum. The problem with this point is that mafia are aware of that and might deliberately do it + Show Spoiler + lets hope that if that is the case he will do as risen did and make a ton of promises and then follow them up with excuses casting aside any doubts that he was scum Look, if anybody is guilty of not scumhunting, trying to fit in and copying the opinions of others it's him. I am not sure that he is scum. But if he is town then he needs to pull his head out of his rear and start playing. And these are Layabouts posts that I find to be useful regarding Eiii | ||
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On May 13 2012 18:51 Eiii wrote: man this whole situation kind of sucks. It's impossible for me to tell if NT is just playing really really badly (suggesting lynching for information when it's been EXPLICITLY mentioned in this game that that's a horrible idea) on purpose to try to solidify his newb town claim or if he actually just has no clue what he's doing. wifom wifom wifom. weird black-and-white statements like this are pretty retarded too, but it's the same deal there. obviously I feel l10f is pretty scummy at this point, since he's been attacking me for actions I've done that I can't really see as scummy. Between his overnight shift into pushing me as #1 scum as hard as possible, providing arbitrary lists and calling them 100% objective, then manipulating those lists to try to get people to accept them... I dunno, it feels like he's trying to disrupt and take control of town as much as possible which is pretty sketchy when we're so close to lylo. My late-night snap decision on the subject is that we really, really can't let plays like N_T's stand. If we still had vigs then he should outright be shot instead of lynched, but it looks like we're out of those. voting for NT. This defense is funny I dont see why you would disagree with voting either yourself or l10f if you were town, as my statement was pretty much correct then you say that l10f is scummy for finding you scummy, insert omgus here then you vote on my bandwagon this post alone should be enough to lynch you | ||
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L10f town Blazing town Marv way aggressive, dunno if thats his normal town meta or not but it irritates me papa scum paq leaning town sinensis leaning scum due to no really helpful contribution to the game other than agressive tunnel | ||
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On May 14 2012 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: More imporyant than reads are cases. Ad someone noted "appeal to autbority" is not valid. Try to post case and reasoning. Supplement and link/quote existing cases on an ipad im trying with tge 30 mins that i have | ||
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On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote: SWEET A BANDWAGON IS FORMING! I think I'll hop on it without explaining myself! NEVERMIND, they're onto me! ##vote: grush57 I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. sinensis makes this post as a reason to vote someone and leaves it there the entire day On May 05 2012 14:14 Sinensis wrote: My suspicious is off grush for now because of D1. I want to talk now about layabout and why I think he's suspicious. You spend a lot of time defending Katina, you also say the only way she is suspicious is "the way in which she puts attention on BM." You defend her again here: You also ask what other people think of SomethingAwesome's "BS." I think SomethingAwesome might have been onto something honestly. The first thing you said in the entire game was that you were AGAINST policy lynches and that "they are no better this game than they ever were before" You then completely disregard your own advice not to policy lynch (below) and vote Bill Murry, who Katina was supposedly suspicious for bringing attention to. Also, if you're not even going to follow the advice you posted not to policy lynch... what was the point in posting that in the first place other than to look like you were contributing when you really weren't? So you think killing SomethingAwesome could be a good move, presumably because you think he's scum. But instead of building a case around SomethingAwesome, you decide to vote BM based on meta. Who are you to decide if there "is no real candidate?" There were plenty of people with plenty of reads at the time. You even repeat this: Then you repeat it again: Last thing, there is no such thing as an anti-town town member. If someone is town, just by being alive they are helping town. Killing an "anti-town" town member is still killing a town member. Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic. Then grush is innocent because of day 1 play (pffffft) and it moves on to townie layabout On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote: I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment. Then wonderful, a null read, so were up to his only read being layabout as his early "#2 suspicion papapanda" seems completely forgotten and unpressured On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Read is as i'll probably bandwagon on the ez layabout train but if not im willing to join the other train which is even easier lolwut On May 07 2012 10:32 Sinensis wrote: Can you not read? I'll read it for you. It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first. sinensis ignores the main part about how he didnt really have any reads other than layabout even after he said he had posted plenty of reads, then makes an agressive soundng post on the other part to cover it up On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Then comes this gem where he makes up an easy way to flip to me, who he had no read on, instead of his only real read to get an easy lynch On May 08 2012 12:44 Sinensis wrote: If either layabout, NT, or ghost isn't dead by morning I will be disappointed. dafuq did this come from On May 10 2012 05:46 Sinensis wrote: N_T your "analysis" post makes me feel like we are playing a different game. No one is going to vote papapanda today... If you're scum why didn't you deflect attention onto an easier target like layabout? Is layabout your scum buddy? Why didn't you deflect attention onto layabout anyway, do you think he's town? If you are town and you have been suspecting papapanda for a while now, why didn't you say something about it before everyone was on your back asking for contribution? You could have at least mentioned you were suspicious of him and that would have counted for a small contribution. after a post a little while before where he says hes only voting layabout he decides to tell me that my case is invalid because its definitely going to layabout, scummy limiting movement On May 10 2012 12:08 Sinensis wrote: Layabout keeps making compelling defenses... I am suddenly hesitant to keep my vote him. Especially since N_T is in the game; who hasn't made compelling posts to say the least and who hasn't put forth nearly as much effort. The more I think about it though, nothing N_T does benefits scum... or town... or himself, so I am struggling here too. Do I choose the guy who talks nicer (layabout) or the guy who helps the enemy less (N_T)? Oh woe is me! my main read is good ad defending and now i need to choose between two awful bandwagons! .... what On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote: Sorry about that layabout. I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at. First I will look at papapanda: Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town. He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing. Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy. After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything? Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too. Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it: You're against it again: Against it again: Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again: But wait, what now? Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch? Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch: HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again: So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" Wait so it went from my case being invalid because of 2 main suspects already to 2 main suspects already but sheeping novas case is good and papa is scum? and then theres the Im voting untul Nova is dead oh wait maybe i vote papa next move that was already looked at | ||
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