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On May 10 2012 05:34 layabout wrote: grush, can you maybe make a reasonable geuss at what i meant by that post? Are you saying that papaganda is town now? + Show Spoiler + i will give you a hint, it contains living players because the scum that we are looking for are still alive papapanda! | ||
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On May 10 2012 05:54 Nova_Terra wrote: [spoiler] Hmm. I find it interesting that you seem to think that your reads were solid and mine werent. mine were "mem does X Y And Z scummy" and voted on it, yours were "i agree with X that Y is scummy but it goes along with Ys meta" etc. with no real pressure on it a all. Please change the agree thing. I will think over your posting more, but for now i leave my vote on you. i am interested as to what your two scumreads flip as, however. What I said was it was too early for any case to be solid. No worries, layabout:p | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:31 Nova_Terra wrote: Then say that youre neutral leaning scum or something on him. dont say this "makes him normal but this is scummy" and do nothing with it I did nothing in terms of getting blubb lynch day one, if thats what you mean. However, I did put a vote on him when he was my most suspicious player before points on BM where brought up. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: Or a man who hasn't been watching N_T's play. I thought you thought N_T was scum. Ugh, have to rethink my suspicion list again... However with what I had so far, next in line is grush. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Player’s Votes: 1. Nova_Terra Day1 Mementoss Day2 Kenpachi (modkilled) Day3 papapanda 2. froggynoddy Day1 grush57 Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 grush57 3. papapanda Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 layabout Day3 layabout (lynched) 4. Sinensis Day1 grush57 Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 layabout (lynched) 5. Paqman Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 (Kenpachi) (modkilled) Day3 layabout (lynched) 6. Mementoss Day1 Nova_Terra Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 7. Blazinghand Day1 Nova_Terra Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 8. marvellosity Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 9. Eiii Day1 Mementoss Day2 layabout Day3 layabout (lynched) 10. I10f Day1 Day2 Eiii Day3 grush57 11. grush57 Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 layabout (lynched) Things that stand out: grush's votes have all resulted in lynch. No one voted on ANY red EXCEPT NT (and paqman) on Kenpachi, where he got modkilled afterwords. papapanda's votes have been all townies: ( BH and Mementoss has put all their votes on NT DARN it was color coded before>< | ||
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Thoughts about N_T: 1. His FOS are mememtoss, kenpachi, layabout, papapanda (Well, he voted for kenpachi, he didn't really make a case) but never really contributed much to discussion. 2. N_T's relationship with kenpachi grabbed my attention(reading their filters). He jumps on the bandwagon, Kenpachi says to lynch N_T, layabout, and marvellosity (+paqman). layabout flipped town, so this might be a list of people who are all townies, or a mixed bag. Considering that while kenpachi asked for a replacement, he was still in the game for red at that moment, and I think he wasn't under the impression he was getting lynched soon, this list seems to make more sense as a list of townies(this is WIFOM though:/). Thoughts about grush: 1. Lots of FOS with little to no backings. Does not contribute to discussion, does not benefit town at all(even less than N_T). 2. Interactions with red team include voting on katina, calling out sinani, and defended by Kenpachi (sorta) when paqman votes grush. Again, I am not so sure about Kenpachi outright supporting another scum, so this case is still kinda invalid. 3. Grush is a sheep (yes I sheeped too, but a little less than grush), all his votes have been part of the lynch of townies. grush57: Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 layabout (lynched) Overall, both still come across to me as nooby-townies, but I am leaning towards lynching N_T "for information" to see Kenpachi's move. | ||
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On May 13 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: So you want to vote for N_T or Grush57 both of whom... strike you as town? By what unbelievable compromise of mental acuity could you possibly think voting for a town player is a good move today? Let me break it down for you: our goal is to lynch scum. I don't give a dick what "info" lynching someone will give us if he flips town. I personally believe N_T is scum, but the fact that you're willing to vote him and also claim he's town is utterly preposterous. I literally can't imagine why you would do this unless you are scum. ##unvote ##vote: papapanda I don't recall who, but someone said don't throw away our votes. And to do that, we must focus on 2-3 people each day so mafia has less influence. In this case, I assumed our 3 candidate for lynch is Eiii, Grush, and N_T. Yes, grush has made some suspicious actions,and yes, N_T has made some suspicious actions; Eiii less so for me. My post was based on this assumption and my analysis of each of these three players. So let me rephrase. The content of my argument points to Grush and Nova_Terra being bad players, and the likelihood that they are bad-townies is the same, if not more, as them being bad-mafias. Regarding information in quotations, I was referring to this post: On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote: Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info. The point I was trying to get across was that using his logic, lynching N_T would have been just as viable. | ||
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Mememtoss said not to throw away votes: On May 12 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote: Its pretty hard to "tip the balance" with 2/12 people. Thats also why I say don't throw away your votes as a townie. If the person you think is not going to get lynched and you can't convince anyone else. Then use your best judgement to vote for who you think is scummiest that has a possiblity of getting lynched. Throwing away your vote on a person with 0 votes ultimately gives the mafia heavier sway in deciding who gets lynched. And no 2 mafia to 10 townies is a good position. We haven't lost any PR's but I doubt we have any. If we keep the discussion active town will win. The fact that half the town is quiet most of the town is the only chance of town losing. Someone also said to post all FoS, so I just want to bring up sinensis once again. On May 12 2012 12:13 Sinensis wrote: I am sick of seeing scummy, zero effort posts like this from N_T. His posting has been a huge issue in the thread ever since day 1. I am putting l10f and papapanda on the back burner until N_T is dead. -I am going to vote N_T until he is dead- (I WILL BOLD IT SINCE NO ONE LISTENS TO ME NORMALLY) ##vote: Nove_Terra If you flip town I don't know what I believe anymore. He is going to vote Nova_Terra until he is dead, seems like an easy bandwagon for a scum. FoS Sinensis, I will be listening to you very closely. | ||
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On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote: I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind. Mmk I will try to respond to your case. Part I: Regarding my first post Yes, I was putting /s to try to cover all loopholes of misunderstanding. Afterwards I realized that no one gives a crap about that so I stopped. By the way it was SomethingAwesome who said it looks scummy/wishywashy. Ok, no adjectives before my "I am blu!" claim next time, gotcha.(please refer to the part where I said this line doesn't mean anything when SA brought it up) Part II: Regarding exchange with SA His was nitpicking at my use of smilies (much like you are now...) and his typo made it appear like he was being contradictory. I didn't catch the typo, but after being pointed out I apologized. It's true that I wouldn't have called him scum even if he did make that mistake but I was obviously unhappy with what he was picking at from my post... Part III: Regarding exchange with Sinensis I called you out because you didn't give a reason for voting for grush. AND I believe the reason for your vote is because HE didn't give a reason for voting Katina. Changing your vote (without giving a reason) would have been following exactly in grush's footsteps. I was giving you a fair warning to state your reason for your vote. I will ignore the next quote because it is a very grush-like thing to say... Part IV a: Regarding vote for Bill Murray It is obvious that you were not following the thread or else you would've taken that filter as out of context as you did. I was against wasting vote on someone will would've been modkilled anyways. I was under the impression BM wouldn't have known that the day have been extended by 1 hour, therefore nullifying all argument made by JW about scum waiting for last second to vote. I was reminded that BM posted that he knew + he posted in other mafia games. I agreed that it was suspicious to be on the other mafia game but not here, so I voted him. Part IV b: Regarding reasoning behind vote for BM(lynching because of his experience) No, I'm obviously not as experienced as you, but I did follow a few games and read the award thread(lol); I can tell the expienced players from the less experienced. I realize how my reasoning may be flawed now, but let me explain my thought process then in an example of a game of 50(basketball). Player A is better than you by a lot, and player B is better than you by a little. Somehow, you got your "ice" and have a chance to knock out 1 of them, won't you chose to try to knock out player A because if you knock him out you have a better chance of winning? Mafia is not the same 50, but I hope I have made myself clear enough. Part V: Regarding information On May 13 2012 07:12 papapanda wrote: Regarding information in quotations, I was referring to this post: The point I was trying to get across was that using his [own] logic, lynching N_T would have been just as viable. -My Turn- On May 11 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote: l10f is suspicious too to me but it's more subtle than papapanda. Plus it was layabout's dying wish that some kind of investigation be had of l10f... I just can't think of anything solid right now. Your analysis of I10f is ridiculous. What action can there be except for ones posts? It's great you are trying to post your FOSs, but don't put the bolded line in above quote in. It just seem to be as a scummy excuse to start the ball rolling for the lynch another towny. (You don't see this marvellosity?) | ||
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I am not too sure what you mean by "textbook mafia," but I'll let give part1 to you. However, the other parts I will try again, Part3: Oh, its not ok for grush to just ##vote name, so I'll just do the exact same thing! Part4: I think you mistook the bulk of my post here. I made an error so I was against voting BM -> I was corrected and agreed BM looked scummy -> I voted BM, he ended up being town. Part5: The point I was trying to make is by using N_T's own lynch-logic, N_T himself can be a great candidate. Marvellosity: Using information from the alignment-flip after death should only be used when the flip is red IMO. When layabout flipped green, we know that layabout does not actually HAVE information. But using Kenpachi, we know he HAS information because he is red, so obviously his suspicions can have extra meaning behind it. When Sinensis said because layabout says so, it sounded scummy to me as layabout had no facts; Sinensis was just trying to abuse the fact that layabout is town. My thoughts on l10f: l10f lacks strong explanation for the people who he calls out. Looking at his list he doesn't make explanations either. He claims he is bad at scumhunting, but is good at weighing in factors made by other people(He called correctly on N_T). This allowed him to excuse himself from actively scum-hunt and avoid making mistake if he is scum. You mentioned his inconsistency, but it looks like he really wants to lynch Eiii. His reason for calling you out is from various times when you defended people who flipped scum, and I am not sure what to make on that. A reason I am sitting at my computer with a raised eyebrow right now is stuff like this: On May 14 2012 03:02 l10f wrote: Looks like N_T is gonna get lynched. I'm gonna look so bad if he flips red lol Sounds like he knew he was flipping blue. I'll keep an eye open for him(like sinensis), but I think Grush is my vote for the next day. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 11:40 Sinensis wrote: I meant I was planning to vote Papapanda the next day cycle... but I'm not 100% positive I am sticking with that anymore. He's still one of my top choices, I just need a bit to think about some other people before I commit. I wasn't expecting N_T to flip town. 1. I would like to clarify once again that I didn't actually want to lynch N_T for information. I wrote it to show N_T how his logic can be applied on himself. 2. Can I ask which people you are thinking about? Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read? Paqman: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote: Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I. His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense. This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point? Everyone else: If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I believe we are 1 lynch away from LYLO. IMO scum will try hard to focus down one or two guys for lynch. To counter this, I encourage everyone to read over everyone's filter. Opposite of what l10f is saying, I do not agree with focusing on two people. | ||
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Like Eiii said, grush hasn't been helpful to town the whole game. Grush made absurd calls, omgus everyone, and at first seemed to know one too many facts. He's been missing the rest of his calls after I told him though lol. Grush was always scummy, but that might just be the quality of a bad townie. WIFOM: Grush is actually mafia and is playing like a noob town. IMO Sinensis plays like a slightly better grush I am thinking about l10f right now as a lynch candidate.Point one, I think its suspicious that he lurked through early game and emerges with the list/becomes more active. An actual lurker will play like Grush, but l10f lurks to stay off radar first few days and pops up only after we want to take out lurkers because mafia has an easy time hiding among them. I feel like this might be around the time when previous lurking mafia starts to pop up, since bandwagoning will draw too much attention now. My second point is the fact that he wants to narrow the lynch candidates right now, with 24 hours to go at the time of his post(exactly! wow!). If we focus on 2 lynch candidate, that will be where most of our attention is shifted to. The two candidate will (most likely, unless its grush...) try to defend themselves and the rest of us will try to nippick at them, and less time on looking for the actual mafia. Am I wrong in saying this marv? Even if I am, I think the first point alone is enough for me right now. EBWOP for my post above marv.: My question for you, paqman, is because I didn't see your response to that point(having an agenda?), which I thought was important part of marv's argument. | ||
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On May 16 2012 12:19 Sinensis wrote: There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. Sorry, Sinensis, how does this make sense in any way? Grush has been on town radar since day one, why would mafia make it easier for town by taking him out? Voting for l10f, right now, but if you're a townie, l10f, don't give up and please keep trying to prove that to me. | ||
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On May 17 2012 03:57 grush57 wrote: Well, if l10f doesn't flip scum the 2 scum are the ones voting for me, froggynoddy and Sinesis. ##vote: l10f Hilarious. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:22 marvellosity wrote: Thread is dead  to papapanda: apart from you and those you asked, I do not know I am confused. We are at LYLO if mafia successfully hits. I think I will base my decision on tonight's kill. | ||
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Yeah, your post makes sense, but I think what I was ultimately trying to say he is town(a bad one, though) for me. | ||
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Here's my breadcrumb: On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote: Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read? Paqman: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote: Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I. His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense. This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point? If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I am not sure how to explain it, but I had a feeling the either Marvel or Paqman is scum. So I changed the words in their own quote hoping they will catch on to my message. My reasoning for doing this I believe that Paqman/Marvel might be the next target, and forming a 3 way group might make whoever was the scum less likely to hit the other. And ofcourse, if I died, the other one would have been suspicious of the remaining one. Also, I requested 3 names from each of them. I wanted to use this information to find out which of them is scum. If Marvel and Paqman had said to prioritized A, B, and C, I would pick D to save because they now know who I am going to save. And if I indeed saved D, I would've used this information against them. Unfortunately, I didn't receive names in reply (or I missed itXD). I guess people don't really read quoted text. So none of my plan worked, but at least I hope this can clear my name from the list and narrow our lynch targets. Marv: When I said I would wait on last nights kill results before I say my vote, I thought it might have been you or Paqman. I am pretty certain one of you is scum. When neither of you died, it confused me but I think now that the reason is to keep the cover. However, even after Paqman revealed, he is not cleared yet for me. Right now I am leaning towards lynching you, if you have any information, please bring it out now. | ||
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