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So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one.
Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information?
You are aware of the fact that in the last 24 hours there have been about 100 posts from the 18 players still alive?
And that half of the thread are lurking?
And that both of the scum players that flipped were lurkers?
+ Show Spoiler +speaking of lurkers i would not have expected Johnnywub to be one, he usually posts a lot and shares mosts of his thoughts
You are reiterating a weak point ("kat defence") and saying that you should lynch me for the sake of "information". The link between myself and marvellosity that you are trying to create is weak. You fail to say what to do when i flip town. I cannot think of a worse reason to vote for me.
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EBWOP: thinking about it, if you voted for me based on my star sign then that would probably be worse.
is this a serious post?
On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi
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On May 07 2012 05:25 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:56 Blazinghand wrote:On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi This is not acceptable. Not even close. You might have slipped past my D1 but not any more. Now you die like scum. ##unvote
##vote: Nova_TerraDefend yourself or die like a punk Scumslip, like scum means that you know im not scum and therefore you are scum Seriously though, i know. its impossible to defend myself though, as the biggest case seems to be that im lurking and not contributing. I havent had the time to post in the way i normally would or even make a filter based case.
But you have time to tell us that you don't have time to post?
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On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:40 layabout wrote:So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information? You are aware of the fact that in the last 24 hours there have been about 100 posts from the 18 players still alive? And that half of the thread are lurking? And that both of the scum players that flipped were lurkers? zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions [1]. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? [2]Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:40 layabout wrote:
You are reiterating a weak point ("kat defence") and saying that you should lynch me for the sake of "information". The link between myself and marvellosity that you are trying to create is weak. You fail to say what to do when i flip town. I cannot think of a worse reason to vote for me. What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all [3]. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing [4], together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, [5] like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. [6]Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though!
You are full of crap
[1]ways like what exactly? relying on the calimed vig in the hopes that we have an engineer and they picked refill ammo and life over doctor? relying on having a blu demoman that has placed bombs on the players we want, and then manages to get themselves killed? relying on red not having a medic that can counteract these night hits? The lynch is the most reliable way to kill players if we decide to. There are so many lurkers that we cannot grant them immunity from the lynch on the grounds that "our blues will deal with them" as you are doing.
Would you have us ignore scummy players that are lurking and lynch elsewhere?
If BM had been the only death 1 we would be in a similar position to most towns that ever were having mislynched a townie day 1.
[2]The candidates we had when i opened the thread where grush57 5 votes and then a few people with 1-2 votes. The votes were spread out. I thought and still think that grush is town. Lynching a "lurker" was the best move we could have made+ Show Spoiler +Strictly speaking BM was an inactive.
[3]???
Let's pretend that you didn't post this:
If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one which describes the information gained from lynching me, after you emphasized the value of information.
You want to kill me because i pushed a lynch that didn't give us much information. Boo fucking Hoo. That is not the point of a lynch. You lynch to kill scum. When you are desperate you might lynch a lurker (who has a chance of flipping scum) over player that are active or that you have town reads on.
[4]He is dead isn't he? I got the lynch onto him, and i would do it again. I am also going to shamelessly hijack Palmar's reputation by pointing out that he supported a BM lynch and he flipped VanillaTown/Blu Team
+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
##Vote Bill Murray
[5]"questionable defense?"
i think ghost summed it up here:
Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play.
*ghost tragically forgot this later on when other people suggested killing me.
[6]You will weep tears and become the laughing stock of the entire forum!
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read the thread
+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 05:45 papapanda wrote:You seem to want to only refer to the intelligent comment as the defense, but what about this one?: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote:Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad. On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town. Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:14 blubbdavid wrote:
Btw, I sense some kind of BlazingKenpachi party. Didn't work out so great in Aperture Mafia. On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town. Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... You're still not contributing, and being indirect. You're scum. ##unvote
##vote: Katinacome at me bro Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.
I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too). Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet. Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D) For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry. I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?) Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done. I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable! BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun.
Nobody died yet.
But don't worry.
what On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
extended days?!
hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14601216
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Can somebody other than me adress why the above post from Eiii is wrong so that instead of just arguing with each other i can pretend that you don't exist and play the game and he can not post at me?
i will even get you started:
contradiction:
but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless.
You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day
comment which has nothing to do with what i wrote:
'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.'
...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok.
Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information?
We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now?
so we should kill lurkers by means other than the lynch.
You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me!
whoever gets the most votes dies. always, the lynch kills people, whoever it targets dies It is reliable killing mechanism.
Vig shots can be blocked by red & blue medics and engineers (medics), and red roleblockers(syies and blu heavies (veterans). An unreliable killing mechanism.
What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient.
Since we had an awful chance of lynching scum (spread out votes, weak cases, limited discussion, nearly everyone was afk and the leading candidate looked green(blu)) I went into last resort mode and tried to get us to lynch BM.
You then called me scummy for pushing a lynch that generated limited information, when the very concept of lynching for information has been agreed upon by this sites best regarded players as a bad town play that you can take advantage of as mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748
+ Show Spoiler +When the town is allowed to focus on one or two key topics at a time (without the same points being repeated over and over), then the town is in a strong place. Lack of doubt, inflammatory posting, and strong town leadership must be avoided. Here are some of the things mafia can do to steer the town in the wrong direction:
Incite active or aggressive players to do the work for you. If you can get a player emotionally invested enough in one train of thought, they can likely cause the chaos you need without linking you directly to the bad atmosphere. If something goes wrong, the town will generally blame the most vocal and aggressive person, even if someone else was really behind the chaos. By letting other townies do the work for you, you allow them to take the fall when town realizes they were on the wrong track.
guess i got carried away. The introduction is a bit hateful. I think i will just edit it slightly.
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@papapanda,
The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do.
Johnnywub:
skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700
These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote:
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote:
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote:
im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote:
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote:
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
The key things to note are that Johnny:
- Posts a lot, this does not necessarily mean that we should expect him to have a massive filter but he does put a lot of time, thought and energy into the game as town.
- He is concerned about communicating his ideas to others and convincing them
- He is working to improve his town game
- He feels like he owes town something
I see no signs of his town game so far.
johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left.
+ Show Spoiler [Today's post's] +On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote:lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself  On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote:
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote:
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
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On May 07 2012 10:32 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 05:55 PaqMan wrote:On May 07 2012 05:44 Sinensis wrote:
PacMan why do you keep asking me for my reads I have already posted them. Go read my filter instead of quoting yourself over and over again. I did read your filter and your only FoS so far is on layabout. And please explain this: On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote:On May 06 2012 05:44 PaqMan wrote:I don't like BlackRaven's posting. He has only two posts that are of any sort of significance. + Show Spoiler [BR's two significant posts] +On May 04 2012 03:51 BlackRaven wrote:Cool, lets's go Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:47 DoYouHas wrote:
Palmar's confrontational and empty 1 liners make it impossible to get a read on him. (anti-town) He is shutting down conversation instead of fostering it. (anti-town) I have no interest in keeping someone around who I won't be able to get a handle on and who I think is hurting the town.
##Vote: Palmar Firstly, confrontational and empty is an oxymoron in Mafia. Confrontation brings discussion. Discussion good. Discussion not make posts empty. Secondly, not having a read on someone does not make him anti-town. It makes him just another player in the game. It sure as hell isn't a reason to vote him. Thirdly.....well see the first point about your second one. He got you talking didn't he? :3 All this post achieves is soft-defending Palmar and nothing moreOn May 04 2012 03:53 BlackRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:47 DoYouHas wrote:On May 04 2012 03:42 BlackRaven wrote:On May 04 2012 03:30 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh, and btw. You are defending Palmar by attacking the person going after him. You discredit me and Palmar no longer has a need to respond. This is wrong - D How is fitting the definition of a chainsaw defense wrong? If a player ever uses a chainsaw defence as an actual defence they are scum there is no leeway about it and its bad play all around. People should never use other peoples arguments to make them appear either townie or scum its just bad play and they deserve to be lynched if they do so. Me and Hassy both still expect things from Palmar at some stage we just both dislike you at the moment. -D This entire post is just an altercation with DYH and contributes nothing of value except for the fact that BR doesn't like DYH. BR's entire filter literally contains nothing more than pointless one-liners. The only thing he's done is ask other people questions and make comments to the side that add no value to discussion. He doesn't make any scumreads nor does he form serious opinions on people. And his D1 vote: On May 05 2012 03:22 BlackRaven wrote:
You know I liked layabout at the start but now he is probably going to cause more harm than if I was a medic...
##Vote: layabout
-D
goes without any sort of good explanation besides "I like him, now I don't." I see him as a possible lynch candidate if he doesn't pick it up and he's earned my FoS I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment. Can you not read? I'll read it for you. It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first.
BlackRaven (Drazerk and Hassybaby hydra)
SomethingAwesome (Dirkzor and Mattchew hydra)
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If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.
But my scum team is along the lines of Blubbdavid, johnnywub + _______
Blubbdaivd:
He supported BM as a "good lynch candidate" for being a "scummy lurker". He expressed a willingness to swap to BM. But he did not. He was trying to support a BM lynch without commiting to it himself.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2012 05:17 blubbdavid wrote:
Yeah, and BM is also a very good lynch candidate. A better one than Palmar atm. Both are acting stereotypically lurking scum and spouting townscumie. what does the last bit mean? On May 04 2012 05:48 BlackRaven wrote:
blubb why are you saying a guy who hasn't posted anything is a better target than a guy you think is scum? Especially after your previous comments
He gets called out by the late BlackRaven....
:3 On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote:
I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush.
But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum.
I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone.
And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. The key thing here is that he is holding off of voting for BM in favor of grush. On May 05 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
I have a suspicion:
What if BM is scum, but doesn't want to play/ doesn't have time, so he sacrifices himself for the other scum? After supporting a BM lynch he then casts suspicion on everybody voting for BM whilst still calling BM scum. What is strange about this is that he supposedly thinks that scum would sacrifice a team member because he might not have time, but he later goes on to call grush town for calling out the two mafia players who were modkilled because they did not have time to play.
After supporting a BM lynch he does not in fact follow it with a vote, why? Because he thinks grush is scum.
Now you might be thinking that he should have reasons for this. I was. But when i looked, i found very few.
read through blubbdavids posts and try to finish this sentence using the things that blubbdavid says,
"grush is scummy because...."
+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.
Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well...
Two options:
1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest.
2. He is scum, scumming scum.
(Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol)
grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense.
##vote grush57 "grush is scummy because.... he didnt defend himself?" "papaganda is scumbuddies with grush" he is addressing papaganda On May 03 2012 22:51 blubbdavid wrote:
Please, I have written more than this.
And no, I have never played with you before.
And I am only one game ahead of grush.
And I would wait for grush posting his defense. I know that in your mind you already decided to definitely lynch me. It will be fun to see how you will come to grushs rescue. calls them both scumbuddies with a lot of confidence but no reasons. On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.
I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? "grush is scummy because....I am waiting for grush to be useful. I do not expect him to be useful having read his past games." @grush: being "funny" is not very townlike. Being townie is ssrious bisnes. grush is scummy because.... On May 04 2012 07:36 blubbdavid wrote:
Papapanda, what is your opinion on the current situation of grush? On May 04 2012 06:45 blubbdavid wrote:
Come on grush, you are not helping. Isn't townie #1 defense rule to NEVER associate with scum? ??? On May 04 2012 07:43 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 07:36 grush57 wrote:
I thought the day was gonna end so I threw up a vote, though I don't even think blubbdavid is mafia, I'll go change this and then make a case.
You scum bro? So you are forcing yourself into believing that I am scum? If you don't think that I am scum then leave it at that and do some proper hunting. grush is scummy because.... well actually it looks like blubbdavid is talking to somebody that he thinks is town, he just tells him to play better. On May 04 2012 19:31 blubbdavid wrote:
I have no read on Nova, he is pretty neutral atm.
And I will stop tunneling grush for the time being, maybe he will come up with something useful.
Still, I would be interested in papapanda's opinion.
And katina, do some scumhunting. What is your opinion on grush?
For Blazinghand, I think that he is townie, he's pretty active and is even making sense somehow.
BM is still lurking scum imo.
"grush is scummy because...." Blubbdavid admits that he has been tunnelling grush and promises to back off. (before giving reasons) On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote:
I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush.
But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum.
I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone.
And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. "i still want to lynch grush because.... but i might switch..." On May 05 2012 03:57 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:41 layabout wrote:
We have nobody that looks like scum.
This is the best way to use the lynch. What about grush? grush is scummy because.... On May 05 2012 04:53 blubbdavid wrote:
But grush admitted scum, and yet you don't see him as lynchcandidate. grush is scummy because.... he said he was scum! and yet blubbdavids reaction to that was to back off grush...
He tunnels grush relentlessly without backing it up. He acts as if he is mistaken in pushing grush and adresses grush as if he were town. But grush is where his vote ended up.
##vote Blubbdavid
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frogg we are not lynching kenpachi.
don't be silly.
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I would love to know how you felt that this:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote KenpachiI'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure.
was the best lynch to support?
Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play?
Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout.
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On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote:EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence.
So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information?
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EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information?
On May 07 2012 22:19 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:15 layabout wrote:On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote:EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information? No, I'm saying that its less likely of being alignment indicative then actual thread activity at this point.
But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda.
He might not even have PC acess at the momnet
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On May 07 2012 22:26 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote:I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote KenpachiI'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. Ok, so... are you trying to show me that because he plays like this both as town and scum we should excuse untowny behaviour? I don't like that as an argument as untowny behaviour should always be punished. That being said I understand that perhaps this would be a better job for any vigs we have left. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro. I will keep reading through threads and see if anything convinces me. As I said, other than what I think about lynching into inactives, NT's weird post (see above post) and your hard defence on Katina seem like the strongest indications of scumminess imo.
It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi.
It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro
I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis.
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If the absent players cast their votes on me i will switch to Nova_Terra.
Mostly to save my sweet blu ass.
Partly because his primary goal so far has been to repeatedly tell us that he has reads that he doesn't want to share and he does not have enough time to write up or explain them. During the past 48 hours he has actively avoided saying anything relevant. That he came into the thread and voted for kenpachi demonstrates that he is not approaching the thread in the same way that the rest of us are. This leads me to believe he is either genuinely busy or mafia. This uncertainty is why i would rather we lynch Blubbdavid who i have far fewer doubts about.
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On May 08 2012 04:54 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:48 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote:
So game continues I am pushing against layabout, then there comes the mind reading affair:
I am talking about how some actions of layabout make him less scummy. And what does SA do, who has buddied up with layabout? [1] Accuses me of being scum because I seem to know too much. Instead of being relieved that I, blubbdavid, one of the few who were pushing his buddy layabout, he accuses me of being scum instead. [2]Come, no one accuses someone as scum when said scum is reconsidering his tunneling. Except when you are a bad townie (SA) who is reading too much into the wrong person and too little into the right one.
But why do I think that SA is town? Because that guy is seriously convinced that I am scum. If he was scum, he would be pushing much more discreet, and that's where we land at layabout, who is abusing his naive townbuddy in pushing me hard.
[1]And you are twisting my words. I never said you knew to much. I said some of your posts are written with a tone and word choice indicating that you know peoples allignment. [2]But you didn't reconsider your read did you? You have never expressed that you might see layabout as town. You just didn't want to commit to pushing layabout all the way and was wishy washy with your "scumread". Trying to backpaddle to be ready when layabout flipped town. //Dirk [1]semantics. don't get lost in semantics.[2]nope, never reconsidered it, because his voting behaviour is not the only aspect of him. my suspicion on him is the sum of his posting, voting behaviour, general behaviour etc. You yourself have raised some very well points against layabout. But your suspicions against him somehow vanished miraculously. Doesn't your accusation of me on the previous page rely heavily on semantics?
On May 08 2012 04:59 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:54 SomethingAwesome wrote:
Look, Blubb, either you call me town and leave me be or you call me scum for not thinking layabout is scum anymore. Layabouts play D2 have been good town play. He have been a part of discussion, defended himself, pushed reads and generelly been a good part of this thread (unlike so many others).
We are both online at the moment.
//Dirk I think you are town. But I am really interested how your views on layabout changed. So his d2 play was good? Doesn't invalidate his d1 play. And god, he always had in mind to push me. Let's call out Eiii here a little bit, a little Nova_Terra pushing there, and boom, let's vote for blubbdavid.
This is a false representation of my actions. Do you mind finding examples to back that up?
You are starting to sound like a mad conspiracy theorist.
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I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
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On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote:
Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little.
I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize.
Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/
If you are town then i am leaving.
I am sick of playing with people that refuse to put in the effort.
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