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papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 04 2012 21:15 GMT
#500
Yes I meant to quote you. I missed a few important post from BM, and I apologize again to johnnywup and crew.
##vote BM
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 05 2012 04:06 GMT
#601
Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina.


I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM.

On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on.



Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity.
1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough.
2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy.
3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me.

I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue.

Basically: FoS on marvellosity



papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 06 2012 20:13 GMT
#778
On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
Who is more likely to know if one of the mafia team is about to be modkilled?
Members of the mafia team who can communicate privately and should know if their team mate is there (no)
Members of town who can only see the thread and will have no idea who is watching the thread (yes)


Interesting idea mentioned by layabout. The WIFOM would be the mafia knew katina/206 would be modkilled, should they...
A) backstab katina/206 and later claim "ooh I called it, dawgs!" [grush?], or should they...
B) vote BM and not backstab in hope of katina/206 returning or avoiding someone analyzing their actions as option A)?[layabout/marvel/JW?]


On May 07 2012 04:23 Eiii wrote:
So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one.


I think lynching layabout is a good option because it can give us hints regardless of his alignment. More so, like Eiii mentions above, if he flips red, but also to some extent points to grush if he flips blue. I also agree with Eiii that if layabout IS red, marvel should be our next lynch.

However, I don't agree with Eiii on me being a good shoot option. T-T

Afterthought after F5: layabout, I think if you are blue, grush might be our next suspect.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 06 2012 20:40 GMT
#800
On May 07 2012 05:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 05:13 papapanda wrote:
On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
Who is more likely to know if one of the mafia team is about to be modkilled?
Members of the mafia team who can communicate privately and should know if their team mate is there (no)
Members of town who can only see the thread and will have no idea who is watching the thread (yes)


Interesting idea mentioned by layabout. The WIFOM would be the mafia knew katina/206 would be modkilled, should they...
A) backstab katina/206 and later claim "ooh I called it, dawgs!" [grush?], or should they...
B) vote BM and not backstab in hope of katina/206 returning or avoiding someone analyzing their actions as option A)?[layabout/marvel/JW?]


On May 07 2012 04:23 Eiii wrote:
So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one.


I think lynching layabout is a good option because it can give us hints regardless of his alignment. More so, like Eiii mentions above, if he flips red, but also to some extent points to grush if he flips blue. I also agree with Eiii that if layabout IS red, marvel should be our next lynch.

However, I don't agree with Eiii on me being a good shoot option. T-T

Afterthought after F5: layabout, I think if you are blue, grush might be our next suspect.


Good god. Are you calling layabout scum or not? And if so, why?

Useless post of connections without even making a stance on layabout's alignment, yukyukyukyukyuk.


Yes, I believe layabout is scum and HoS on you too marvellosity, as well as JW. Layabout was one of the forces behind lynching BM. I voted BM because I thought he was scum after some people mentioned he posted in other threads, so he chose not to post in this one instead of forgetting (layabout was one of them, by the way). Comparatively, layabouts reasons are purely "policy". In fact, if he did not think BM was suspicious, a better choice could have been Mementoss, blubb or grush. And like so many others have said, his defense on Katina is scummy.

Further more, my read on layabout's play so far led me to believe he would not have backstabbed Katina/206 if he was scum, as he already defended Katina. So this fits into my WIFOM scenario. But this is just a cherry on top of the brownie fudge banana split of his case made from others and myself.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 06 2012 20:45 GMT
#807
You seem to want to only refer to the intelligent comment as the defense, but what about this one?:

On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote:
Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum

Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out)

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum


Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town.


Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense...

katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:14 blubbdavid wrote:
Btw, I sense some kind of BlazingKenpachi party.


Didn't work out so great in Aperture Mafia.

On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.

Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font.

modkill for role PM shit?

idk how to answer this without breaking rules..

you are scum... all townies will know this

-mattchew


You are pretty quick be calling people scum


Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town.


Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense...


You're still not contributing, and being indirect. You're scum.

##unvote
##vote: Katina


come at me bro


Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA.

Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing.

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:
On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.

I assume we still have 24h+ for voting?


Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too).

Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet.
Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D)

For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry.

I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?)
Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done.



I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable!

BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on.

I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy.

Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote.

Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop.

If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun.
Nobody died yet.
But don't worry.
what



On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
extended days?!
hurray!


Both of which of from the very beginning of the game


papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 06 2012 23:10 GMT
#823
Eiii, it seem like our lynch is just as effective as our vig shot; both died, both were vanilla depressed soldiers. layabout means vig shots might have a chance of being blocked by red-doctor(blue doctor too) and both are as easily affected by scum-fuence as the other.


At Paqman/layabout: layabout your defense is saying katina was talking sense, so even though DoYouHas came out with an analysis pointing katina as scum, you went with BM who wasn't making sense/playing the game?
"making sense" seems unclear to me as an explanation. Do you mean logical? not contradicting? knowing what's actually going on?

Most people are more or less logical. Anyone who is not would've been modkilled/lynched before BM.
Again, if one is contradicting in anyway, they will be lynched even before the illogical players.
No one really knows whats going on except the mafia in this game, especially in the early stages.

Layabout saying katina made sense is like saying raindrops are wet.

Please further clarify your defense for me.
Thanks.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 20:51 GMT
#968
Ugh. Didn't feel like I received a satisfactory reply from layabout, but it doesn't look like he is getting lynched today.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 20:58 GMT
#970
Well he is voting layabout, so he can't be all that bad right?

Jokes aside, I didn't find DYH's analysis as convincing(will explain later, want to get this post out before deadline)
The only thing that is tugging at me is blubb's "slip" from day1, however, I don't find it to be worth lynching.
So, I have a neutral read on blubb.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 21:00 GMT
#973
Also, highly dislike Eiii's last vote switch(not cause it is on layabout!:p).
If blubb is scum, I think he is worth looking into, jumping boat last second.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 21:05 GMT
#977
Well, if blubb was scum, and Eiii sees blubb being lynched almost for sure, he might have put his vote on blubb to be able to claim that he is town because he voted for blubb too.

But no matter, it wasn't the case anyways.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 21:27 GMT
#980
Should I still explain why I didn't find DYH's post to be as convincing? I will, briefly, if anyone wants it.

Also happy birthday N_T, didn't say it before because I wanted to say it on the day but i forgot!
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 21:34 GMT
#983
Very weird...
I don't get grush at all. He seems to be not too great of a player but so far he has been making good calls, a little too good.
FoS grush
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#988
YES. confirmed by g(od)rush, lets lynch layabout!
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 07 2012 22:01 GMT
#990
gnarly
well heres my neck.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 08 2012 21:23 GMT
#1037
On May 09 2012 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:
This is good news! We didn't lose any power roles, and there are only 2 mafia remaining. I'm thinking Layabout and N_T for the remaining 2 scum. Sorry for being wrong about you Ghost_403.

##vote: Nova_Terra

Let's get it right this time guys


Interesting to note that all players that have died have been non-power roles.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 08 2012 22:00 GMT
#1064
BH,
I have made cases before against both marvellosity and layabout. For marvellosity, he hasn't been making further actions that link him to scum except his mention of Kepachi (dismiss-able) and maybe his hard defense for layabout (who is scum IMO). That said, layabout is the better lynch option because of his support of katina, kenpachi(kinda), and just his general lynch the easy guy attitude. Wish he would actually defend himself instead of telling me to go read the thread:<
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 08 2012 22:11 GMT
#1070
On May 09 2012 07:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 07:03 Nova_Terra wrote:
1. Layabout goes hard on townie Bill Murray, who then is lynched
2. Layabout goes on Townie Blubbdavid who is then lynched
3. Layabout defends Mafia kenpachi, who dies to kurumis fist of modkillery
this shows outcomes that makes layabout seem more scummy


Ah, that's interesting, May 9th Nova_Terra! However, I have another player here who disagrees with you.

His name is May 7th Nova_Terra! You should argue with him:

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 05:29 Nova_Terra wrote:
I dont think that layabout is scum, as 1. i really doubt that scum would push for a town lynch so hard and defend a scum mate who wasnt even active, which scum would know



I can see why you want to lynch N_T, but like N_T said, layabout has been on the proven wrong side one time too many for me.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 09 2012 02:25 GMT
#1101
On May 09 2012 10:18 Mementoss wrote:
Also playing with and looking into Nova_Terra saying "I think he is just a bad townie" does not suffice to me. As I said before his reads may not always be right as town but he actively tries to promote discussion and makes a good effort to make cases. There is only one situation I can think of that would make Nova not scum but I'm not going to go into it because its not solid and more of a gut feeling.


I want to clarify you post here: you are defending Nova_Terra, you say he IS a townie, and he is NOT bad, as he is trying to promote discussion/good effort into cases?
This can't be right. Are you referring to another game?

Mementoss you made cases against both grush and N_T, however I don't think you have yet done a comparison on the two. So please expand on why N_T > grush(If that is your stance).

Anyhow, I would be interested to hear the the situation later on in the game.

I am sad that I am on the same posting level as sinensis. I hope I had contributed a little bit more than that.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 09 2012 02:27 GMT
#1102
ebwop: Oh yeah it's another game, I think.

N_T > grush as lynch candidate.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#1149
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Just got back from yet another apple store, looks like im gonna have to take an hour train ride to get to a place where teh iphone can be repaired for around 150$
isnt it wonderful

So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda
Please read his filter along with this case

papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages.
Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush.


I made a neat compilation of all your post into a word document and counted your words to be 2653. I excluded all text in quotes. This data is up to this post.
On May 10 2012 04:56 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote:
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town
so my scumteam is in here:
grush57
l10f
Eiii
papapanda

cant tell if forgotten or actually made it out of the scumreads


I also made one for myself, ofcourse excluding all text in quotes, and the count is 2213(not including this post, which has 280 words).
4 pages? 4 pages of spam maybe.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:
My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you.

At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious.

On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.

And when you vote, please use the proper thread.


It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone.
Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available.

Me is hardcore BLU!

However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that.


I was not neutral on Blubb at that stage of the game, your summary of my post is very underrepresentative. It should be"I thought he misread, but his defense made me suspicious." I didn't think that was enough evidence to lynch him ATM.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to.
Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon.

I would like to remind you that I did, in fact, post afterwards when I realize that I would not miss the deadline.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:
Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.

I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).

In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).


I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.

This post goes like this

SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE

and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read?


No, I couldn't make a solid read because I didn't have enough information. This is your read:
On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote:
In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS)

mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird.
Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before.
Overall
1liners
Enlightens us on 1 liners
throws suspicion while not doing much at all
joins scummy bandwagon
seems unsure
agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing!
makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum
randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure

and so ##Vote: Mementoss


Seems to fit yourself better then mementoss. solid? No.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch

Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch.
Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?)
And some more 1 liners.
Later,
"i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said"
MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE
Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose

allaround,
Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later
so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him
##Vote: papapanda


Keyword is last section is "Agree". Yes, I will admit if I am seeing a player agreeing all the time, it raises some suspicion that he is trying to stay off the radar. However, this is how I talk/post; if you want I can try to change that but it might/not work. If you feel like this is enough to lynch me, I won't pressure you for more reason, but I want you to seriously reconsider.
I think I have my two scums in layabout and marv. While I am definitely keeping my head up for other suspicious people, this is where my focus lies.

If you want to find someone with little posts, look at sinensis.
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