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On April 21 2012 10:49 PaqMan wrote: I like Gonzaw's idea of the vig's claiming. Only problem with that is that Scum will have a list of vig's and won't have to do any sniping.. So now that I think about it, I don't really like that idea at all lol. Town can't keep assuming things this game. It'll make an ass out of u and me. We don't know how many of what roles there are and continuous speculation isn't going to help at all. I agree, we don't know how many of each blues we got, it's hard to make plans yet. Sorry maybe it's a bit late but, if no one from scum fake-claims, why is that any good for us? | ||
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On April 21 2012 11:04 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler [Holy Gonzaw Post] + On April 21 2012 10:28 gonzaw wrote: Great, game started Important! About vigs! All vigs should claim Why? Because of this:
So people, any thoughts about this? I think it's the optimal course of action. Imagine we have like 4 vig claims, then we can use them as we will, we can coordinate night shots without fear of a RBer, and we can use said night actions to determine the alignment of said vigs (we tell them who to shoot and see if the kill goes through or not, and who was his target, etc), and we can better coordinate shots as if they were lynches as well. We won't have a lone vig shooting someone random at night and him flipping town creating havoc. All vigs should discuss their targets and face scrutiny if their reasoning for shooting said target fails, etc. I'm willing to discuss other factors, cons and pros of this, so feel free to contribute Scum start off with an information advantage. Any plan that involves giving information to scum (like, who all the vigs in the game are) is a net loss for town 100% of the time. I'll address your points individually, for ease of comprehension. 1) There are no roleblockers, therefore a claimed blue will be able to use his ability at night no matter what This is untrue. A claimed blue will PROBABLY get to use his ability at night, but he'll fail if a JK jails him. 2) If said vig ever gets lynched, he will flip GF. If he doesn't claim at all, or claims vig right before getting lynched, then it will instill confusion about whether he was actually GF or not. That confusion isn't alleviated by all vigs claiming. He's still going to flip GF whether he's a vig or a fake-claiming GF and him claiming isn't going to make that any easier to unravel (especially if either of the GFs claim vig too.) 3) If all vigs claim beforehand, we will KNOW that they will flip GF, so the confusion about their flip is removed. This doesn't say anything and is patently untrue - we're still not going to know if they're a fake-claiming GF or a vig. Claiming doesn't change this at all. Period. 0 for 3 so far...I hope this starts going better sir... 4) It will force the GFs to claim vig as well. Why? Because if all vigs claim, but then a vig claims that he shot someone, but that someone doesn't die, if the first player is confirmed vig, then the second player is CONFIRMED GODFATHER. If GFs want to avoid that situation, they will have to claim vig. This is also not true. If a vig claims a shot and the person doesn't die, then that person MIGHT be a Godfather, or that person MIGHT have been protected via jailing, or the VIG HIMSELF might have been roleblocked by jailing. You're making assumptions and labeling them as facts and they're all bad Gonzaw. 5) If all vigs claim, since there isn't any roleblocker, they will be free to shoot anybody they want. If there is town consensus on who to shoot, said vigs could take that into account to shoot lurkers/scummy people of their choice at night. Even if vigs want to shoot anybody in particular, they don't need to hide that info since scum can't RB him, so they can just discuss with town about said player and he can say he will shoot him in advance. Vigs are free to shoot anybody they want anyway and them all claiming has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. This isn't a point in favor of claiming, it's repeating information redundantly and padding your post. I'm almost done, I hope... 6) This previous arrangement with Town-Vigs will make is to that Jailkeepers DON'T jail those players that vigs said they would shoot. That way the JK's power isn't wasted (and could cause confusion if he succesfully saves a vig shot, but doesn't claim (i.e people will think the target is GF)). Also, since scum is less likely to shoot vig targets, it means that the JK has a smaller pool of players to choose from, and has a higher chance of saving a scum KP at night This is like, the only thing I can even make any sense of. If town agrees to a mass-vig-claim, then I'd have to agree that JK's keep their grubby hands off chosen vig targets. The only thing I don't agree with here is the bolded statement. It assumes that claimed vigs are all town (because if the claimed Vig is scum, scum will HAVE to shoot that vig target, no?) and only limits the pool of players to choose from if JKs agree with the notion of keeping their hands off vig targets (which I don't want to assume...too many assumptions.) 7) If a vig were to claim a target at night, and said target doesn't die, either the vig is a GF/Goon in disguise, or his target is GF. Meaning we have a confirmed scum in either of those 2, and can lynch either of them Again, you're discounting the possibility of a JK interfering. This is an untrue statement about the information we'd get from the flip (or lack of flip) skewed in favor of vigs claiming. 8) Vigilantes can shoot each other as well if they think there was a fake-claim. It follows just like a normal kill. If one vig shoots another claimed vig, then if the vig was a real claim, he will flip GF. If he was Goon he will flip Goon, and if he was GF he won't flip (creating the same situation as above). AGAIN WITH THE DISCOUNTING OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A JK 9) If GF claims vig, then they can't shoot on their own. They either need to "No-Kill" 1 KP and claim it's theirs, while claiming that the scum KP got saved by a JK, or claim their target is GF. Both are bad for scum (they have to give info they wouldn't have wanted to give otherwise) and good for us if we use the information wisely. I'm honestly not even sure what this point is trying to say. It's true that GFs can't kill to corroborate their story - but there's nothing preventing a GOON from fake-claiming vig, especially since they wouldn't have to worry about trackers. Also, scum aren't "giving us info" by lying about what happened - they're introducing WIFOM. 10) If scum are complacent (they don't fake-claim, or do so but don't make other plans, etc) then we'll have a small circle (or even 1) of town-vigs to our disposal and we can do whatever we want, and most likely obliterate scum (based on the previous points too) Having a claimed 1-shot vig doesn't do anything to help us "obliterate scum". Even if only 1 town vig claims, how does that narrow anything down? Are we just automatically assuming the claim is good? Are we giving dude a pass? Why wouldn't scum fake-claim when you put it that way? Ultimately, I dislike the notion - and your post has only reinforced that sentiment for my part. Almost every point he makes is only working if JK's cooperate, I don't see how did you miss that (point 6). He clearly states that JKs should work with the claims and then you try to confute his plan with this. | ||
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4+ vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and some number of scum faking claims. We use the same plan as in the above case. However, if all of the shots hit, then in addition to there being no GFs in the group, we know that there are one or more goons among the group, which is awesome. Yes, exactly what he wrote. | ||
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So we'll know who are the vigs, and later scum wont be able to fakeclaim. We already discussed why wouldn't scum fake-claim. Scum doesn't want to kill real vigs first, so the information we are giving up is negligible | ||
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On April 21 2012 12:02 johnnywup wrote: Since my post retelling people to read my plan was buried at the bottom of the last page, please read it I think my plan is a good one and I want people's thoughts on it. What if GF fake-claim and then Goon kills the target? | ||
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To the question you addressed to Paqman, I have some suspicions because some people doesnt like logic, but i think its too early to decide its their limitations or theyre scums. | ||
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Gonzaw's plan is to out our vigs in exchange for no fakeclaims. We already discussed why scum shouldnt in their right mind fake-claim if we do it his way. I think this trade can be well worth it, what do you think? | ||
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It seems like we won't have a consensus on the vig situation, but it was a very helpful debate to get infos. Too bad not everyone posted yet. | ||
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VE + Show Spoiler + marvellosity said: One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. I asked him 3 times about this and no response. + Show Spoiler + ANYONE PUSHING A MASS-VIG-CLAIM IS DOING SO ALONGSIDE CLAIMED SCUM After failing to comprehend the plan, he tried this shouting-tunneling on gonzaw, i found it rather amusing. His posts are also very non-constructive. + Show Spoiler + Anyway, my vote on gonzaw stands - especially now that he thinks I'm scum because I disagree with a mass-claim plan. Unbelievable. He's playing 1v1 with gonzaw, doesnt care about anyone else. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point? At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues. He doesnt know that GFs cant shoot.. Nuf said, very bad post, calling out gonzaw but not making a case against his plan + Show Spoiler + I'm starting to think all of you people purposely post when I sleep Let's do it like this - everyone just do whatever the fuck they want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. If it's not beneficial in some way to town, then lynch them. If there's one thing I know, it's that voting/lynching/etc. plans always benefit mafia because they can pull them to their advantage (and also you get lynched when your plan especially sucks). Keeping in mind with this train of thought, I will proceed to do whatever the fuck I want as long as it's beneficial in some way to town. When I get back, I'll read filters and try and put more on the table. I would wait till he put more on the table before we jump to conclusions, I disagree with that plans always benefiting mafia. He's talkin more in general terms, so maybe if he states his case more clearly we'll get more information. Sentinel, if you would be so kind to tell us your opinion about who's benefiting the town right now and who's not, i would like to read what do you think who should we lynch. | ||
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Yes, if we are discussing a plan or someone makes a case against someone we want to know everyone's opinion. but also town shouldnt post every thought on their mind. If I am not sure about someone and the case against him is really weak, no one will panic or get lynched. I think it is a viable strategy to wait till he comments on other people's cases, if pressured scum will be more careful. | ||
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one post, + Show Spoiler + because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. Loved that part, i feel like only scum would have drawn that way, if VE and [UoN]Sentinel can defend themselves I will vote him. | ||
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GFs dont have kp, only Goons have. You haven't read the rules or the thread | ||
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(i think they had the best cases against them, personally i think marv is not a scum) | ||
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I was going to die N1 anyway - this way we don't waste today wondering if I'm town or not. If you are indeed town and JK, you shouldn't have claimed. | ||
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Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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I accused you and you not even try to defend yourself, are my points that good? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Yeah sure. VE + Show Spoiler + I asked him 3 times about this and no response. + Show Spoiler + After failing to comprehend the plan, he tried this shouting-tunneling on gonzaw, i found it rather amusing. His posts are also very non-constructive. + Show Spoiler + He's playing 1v1 with gonzaw, doesnt care about anyone else. Ok, so you dont agree with the plan, thats allright I did not vote on you yet. And what about my other posts? Those are invisible to you? + Show Spoiler + filter VE, why did u claim? + Show Spoiler + What makes you think scum would kill you n1? Esp if you have the 2nd-3rd most votes first day. If you are indeed town and JK, you shouldn't have claimed. johnys response to this post + Show Spoiler + lol ottox, his reason is perfectly good. he's killed n1 every game as town pretty much + Show Spoiler + Why would scum kill him if he doesnt claim but hes high on the lynch list? johny:Because he's generally regarded as a good player, and scum doesn't want good players with good arguments in the game to give the town the right direction on who is scum. He wasn't really high on the lynch list. My vote: + Show Spoiler + filter He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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How's that tactic working for you? Is this standard? If this is the way to good rep on TL I better start it myself. MY VOTE IS ON SCUM! YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR YOURSELF TOO | ||
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I don't just disagree with your claim, I wrote it down why is it a bad play. You still did not respond He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. | ||
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Why did you claim? If you dont claim there is very little chance youll get killed n1. Thats because in previous games you got killed why would override that you had 2nd highest vote count? On April 21 2012 11:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum start off with an information advantage. Any plan that involves giving information to scum (like, who all the vigs in the game are) is a net loss for town 100% of the time. I'll address your points individually, for ease of comprehension. On April 22 2012 22:56 VisceraEyes wrote: It's true that my reasoning for disliking gonzaw's plan was in part "it gives scum information"...but you'll notice that I'm not a vig. I don't advocate vigs claiming because THEY can kill scum. I can't. I can only jail people either protecting them or keeping them from acting. It's possible that I can stop a NK but I have no idea who would get shot other than myself because I die N1 like all the time. Jailkeeper is not a useless power. Right now it is, but claiming gave scum information and you lost your safe spot. Your main argument is the n1 kill, by not claiming you would have had a much greater chance, Why on earth would the scum kill someone with the 2-3rd votes? On April 22 2012 23:05 Mattchew wrote: If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. | ||
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My case against VE was simple. He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE. The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted. I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl. | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:57 BroodKingEXE wrote: My Scumread: ##Vote: Marvellosity I've found something he has said particularly scummy. He proposes that he has offered more information than said lurkers(Post). The problem I have is that he didn't have anything to say besides unproductive one-liners. The idea that these posts help the town is very wrong. One-liners are a way to make us think that the poster has more stuff than they actually do. Confusing the town is worse than having a null read due to inactivity. We can't do anything about lurkers, at least not this many, lynching a lurker is pretty much a RNG lynch since we have no information to back it. As of now his only response to why he has yet to post a strong case is that he hasn't got any strong reads. This makes sense, but doesn't give him an excuse to not post. He can still look at accusations and comment on those, or he can scum hunt by pointing out mistakes and tunnel on those. To sum up I feel that Marvell is trying to mislead us into thinking he has the right to not post, which is scummy in my eyes. I have to ask for some clarification I don't think you are scum, but first you say his one-liners are worse then lurking but his lack of strong read can explain why he did not post yet then the next sentence you say he should have looked at the accusations and comment on those. He did looking at his filter, even before your vote, he was the vote leader and tried to defend himself, got into the massvigclaim debate, the VE claim+vote debate too. | ||
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I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later | ||
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On April 24 2012 18:40 BlazingJitsu wrote: Examining the VE wagon, the vote for him that stands out the most is Ottoxlol's vote. Let's take a look: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a bullshit reason for voting VisceraEyes. If we take a look at it at it's core, he's basically saying "VE played in a sub-optimal way" as the basis for his case, but take a look at how he finishes his little case summary: Yes. VE is good -> if VE is town he shouldn't have claimed. Why is this bullshit reasoning? He closes off his case by trying to abdicate responsibility for it. He knows VE is going to flip town, and he wants to blame other people when it happens without sounding inconsistent. I see, scum Ottox would post this I aggree. Now, on its own, maybe this wouldn't be so bad. I mean, it's scummy as fuck, but maybe we have bigger targets, like Marv? Well, let's take a look on what Ottoxlol has been doing to "scumhunt" since D1: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 15:52 Ottoxlol wrote: I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later This says absolutely nothing. This is Ottoxlol trying to push people who were on the VE wagon with some unhelpful WIFOM. Paying close attention to this post, you'll realize he doesn't actually push anyone as scum. This is unhelpful shitty dick play. This is scum play that he set up D1. This is Ottoxlol trying to pool the proverbial wool over the town's eyes by trying to appear helpful. I wrote that I don't have a good read that's why i did not push. I started to look into the names that came up and I felt none of them was convincing so I made a post that maybe can help others. How is that anti-town? Ottoxlol, you didn't want to take responsibility for your vote on VE, and you don't want to take responsibility for pushing others on his wagon. Your posts are waffling, unhelpful, and scummy. You can read my posts, I still stand beside my reasoning. Especially after he started yelling and spewing up random names. I pushed him because I sincerely thought he was scum. No one came up with anything that swayed me. ##vote: Ottoxlol Come at me bro -Blazinghand | ||
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On April 24 2012 00:19 BlazingJitsu wrote: Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case. All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum. You did not make a good enough case against Marv and you did not defend VE. So you were not that confident. | ||
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Nice comment bro, so are you speechless? VE did not respond to anything, making us believe he's scum or doesn't give a hoots about the game. You seem very engaged, I suggest you come up with something good why did u switched from tunneling marv. You did accuse me, I respond, you did not. | ||
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You say the reason I'm scum because the way i voted VE. First I made a case about why VE is playing badly about the massvigclaim plan, then when he claimed, I stated my reasoning why he shouldn't have, and because you guys said he's the best player ever it's obvious that he is scum. I stated why a scum VE would claim and asked him why did he think the claim was good play. He did not respond, started accusing every second player and yelling, then rqd. I blame my vote on VE's bad play and lack of interest. You still did not respond why is this strong enough to switch from tunneling marv. Stating my posts are worthless, when you did not help town at all (not defending VE when you claim it was obv he's town, not stating a single good case that would rally ppl from VE), is the nail in your coffin. #vote BlazingJitsu | ||
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On April 24 2012 20:58 BlazingJitsu wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: You say the reason I'm scum because the way i voted VE. First I made a case about why VE is playing badly about the massvigclaim plan, then when he claimed, I stated my reasoning why he shouldn't have, and because you guys said he's the best player ever it's obvious that he is scum. I stated why a scum VE would claim and asked him why did he think the claim was good play. He did not respond, started accusing every second player and yelling, then rqd. WRONG. First you made a case in which you said that your vote was PREDICATED on other people's statements in which you ABDICATED responsibility. Then (and hey! you forgot to address this part in your post!) after the flips, you decided to do a totally nocomittal push of the other people on the VE wagon in a way that you could point at the post and say "look I'm justified in hopping on this wagon" later in the day. And now that you're called out for your scum tactics you're afraid and lonely. I already explained this in my previous posts, if you choose to ignore it I hope others will notice so thanks + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 20:37 Ottoxlol wrote: You still did not respond why is this strong enough to switch from tunneling marv. You really don't get it, do you? You know why I just voted you now as opposed to, say, during N1 or D1? Because during N1 and D1 you hadn't followed up on your waffling, blame-shifting VE vote (and subsequent blue flip) with a shitty waffling catch-all shit-fling at the other wagon members. You see, Marv WAS the best target up until you made your "hey guys there are 0 or 2 scum on the wagon" post a few hours ago. Now, it's you by a nose. I already explained this in my previous posts, if you choose to ignore it I hope others will notice so thanks Your posts ARE worthless. I pushed Marv D1 and I'm proud of the fact. There's no pride in your posting. only waffling. This case against me is the only REAL post you've made all game and anyone who looks at your filter will see that. Not true. I engaged in the massvigclaim debate. I had a strong case against VE, I pushed it. You had a half assed case on marv and tunneled on it all day, did not care for any other thing going on contrary to your claim that you knew VE was town. If you're proud of that (letting a fellow townie get lynched) then you are scum. | ||
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LOOK AT MY FILTER. I had questions, inspected every single claim and post looking for inconsistencies. I made a case against VE, pushed it. I was wrong, but why is that not scum hunting? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote: It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread. My case against VE was simple. He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE. The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted. I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl. He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him. My other posts explained why the timing was strange. If scum VE wants to claim he claims when he's pressured and an easy wagon appears. I said the bad play can mean 2 things, either he's town or a scum (wow that was surprising). If he would have answered why he thought it was good as townie or at least not give up I would have considered that he's not trying to escape the lynch with a fakeclaim, but he tried something that was not optimal. If you look at my filter you can see, I asked about him because before his claim I had only a little suspicion on him + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote: Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes. What? I did not say why is it scummy? Reread. I was arguing if he's playing a bad townie play or a scummy scum play, this choice of words further proves my previous reply that I wanted him to respond, to explain his play.VE had 5 votes against marv's 6. This is also in one of my posts, this was why I argued he shouldnt have claimed because scum was very unlikely to night kill the second highest vote. He claimed right after BM voted for him -> ninja vote ez wagon. Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it. I don't, I had a case d1 about VE, I pushed it. It was a big fail. If I have a strong read I will post it. | ||
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Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts. Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too. We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched. | ||
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On April 24 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote: StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch. @marv: Ottoxlol's posting history shows him posting outside the TLMafia subforum, so I'm leaning newbie on him. However, some of the stuff that I've seen him do in thread has made me think he's "newbie scum" as opposed to "newbie town". BJ's (lol) case addresses some of that. I really need to work on reading newbie towns, so that is something I think I would like to work on. Can you quote what of BJ's stuff made sense to you? I addressed all of it I think, but if something is still not clear i would like to explain. | ||
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On April 25 2012 00:27 Mattchew wrote: Lurkers: Janaan, St Daniel, Broodking Exe, Bill Murray, Sentinel Scum-reads - Zeph, Ottox (will probably post more about this later today or tomorrow) Also, Risen has not improved in a way that allows me to use meta anymore to defend him. He did adamantly try and protect he best townie (and a blue) from lynch however. I can't see a reason for scum doing this, but then again that might be EXACTLY why he did it. idk, but he is probably the scummiest after the other 6. On April 24 2012 22:21 Ottoxlol wrote: I believe that there is at least one scum on that list, I read them all. I couldn't come up with a case that's strong. Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts. Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too. We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched. How's the first post any better then the second? | ||
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I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair. | ||
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On April 22 2012 00:21 layabout wrote: ##Vote marvellosity get posting or die check out the + Show Spoiler [case] + On April 22 2012 02:44 layabout wrote: I think marvel looks bad because he was around in the first couple of hours of the game, he was willing to make comments in the thread but he was unwilling to share an opinion. Every player should have an opinion about what is best, and the only players who would fear to share them are mafia, since telling and possibly helping town to do what you think is best for town is not in your best interests. | ||
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On April 25 2012 00:57 Ottoxlol wrote: I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair. This. Anyone have a better plan? | ||
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On April 24 2012 22:21 Ottoxlol wrote: I believe that there is at least one scum on that list, I read them all. I couldn't come up with a case that's strong. Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts. Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too. We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched. Still BM. | ||
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On April 25 2012 01:43 Mementoss wrote: Well this is a scum tell if I ever heard one. We lynch who we think is scum. If they are scum, that automatically gives us information. We don't lynch for information. You could easily be scum saying, if we lynch this guy it gives us information on this guy. Wasting 2 days of lynch into townies. Ok, you clearly did not got my reasoning. Of course we lynch for scum, this is the plan to what to do with that information. | ||
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On April 25 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote: Ok, so your stance is we should lynch BM because ... he's been lurking? Do you have anything to say about the Zephirdd/Sentinel cases? They lurk too, but less then BM. I'm fine with any of them lynched. | ||
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I just don't get it why am I under attack for not making any case or for lynching lurkers. MG had a case against johnnywup, BJ/Mememntoss against me and thats all. Lot of people suggested Sent/Zeph, marv posted about Brood and St. Daniel. | ||
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Sentinel doesnt post. marv, you had a couple of posts today pressuring lurkers, why do you call me out for that? | ||
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So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me. | ||
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Again with this not posting anything bs. I pushed gonzaw's massvigclaim plan. I pushed VE lynch. I proposed a plan for the next two lynches. | ||
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On April 25 2012 02:33 ghost_403 wrote: Not everyone has pushed no reads. We're not talking about just today, we're talking about the course of the entire game. You really haven't pushed anything the whole game (Asserted WithOut Proof - AWOP). So, no. I don't think they are all scum. Just the ones who post nothing while trying to look useful. You attack me because you say i didn't do stuff. In reply I say what I did. Your response: you don't care if I did. Ok. | ||
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My first bigger post about VE http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=18#343 My vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14438199 After that I engaged with the debate, see my filter @ghost I am getting frustrated, you accuse me, I respond, you do not read my posts. shall I start making up cases too? On April 25 2012 01:51 Mementoss wrote: Ottoxlol: A Posting History Gonzaw plan - posts a lot about it, explains game rules on multiple occasion. Easy conversation for scum to jump on without really having any risk to put opinions on anyone. Votes VE AFTER JK claim, easy wagon for scum to jump on cause all you have to say is herp bad claim. Which is basically what ottoxlol did. Then guess what, he conveniently dissapears until VE's death and for the whole night. Im under attack!! - posts alot, in his defense, OMGUS vots BJ, attempts to make some sort of case against people but can't. Takes the easy way out for lynching lurkers. Also wants to lynch into WIFOM "pairs" for information. Names so many people that is really impossible to see his best stance atm. Basically its two hurricanes of posting at which seems to be convenient timing.... coincidence? Maybe. You decide. Note - I would like to hear from more than the same old players today eventually lol. Especially the lurking players. This is ok. clear reasoning, but all the other accusations has been answered already. Get off my back and read my posts. | ||
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On April 25 2012 03:10 ghost_403 wrote: @MIxMasterToss: I could see that. Alright, let's lynch Sentinel today, and Ottoxlol tomorrow. Sound good? On April 25 2012 05:19 ghost_403 wrote: Sentinel has two votes. I vote we lynch him today and Ottoxlol tomorrow. Sound good? Sorry ghost I didn't get it, who do you want to get lynched today and tomorrow? | ||
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Pressuring me to take a stand, then when i say i have no strong reads so right now I would lynch lurkers. And thats scummy because I dont take a stand. Or I dont have strong reads. Oh wait thats impossible, we have so good cases everyone rallied to lynch the scum of the day. | ||
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I already answered most of these accusations, read my posts. One new point however, the one liners. When ppl doesnt reply or their accusations lack content and/or I already explained it several times why do you want a wall of text? | ||
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Your main argument is that I did nothing and I post a lot of one liners. I did push gonzaws plan, pressured VE, you. then after he claimed I made a case against him and defended it. D2 I had a plan, no one liked it. I have no strong reads so I don't have a case right now, but the majority of ppl doesnt have neither. | ||
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Should I retreat till I can post a case? Defending myself is the only useful thing I can do atm (something VE did not do). | ||
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The second part is very nice of your post. Maybe I am the helicopter! | ||
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gonzaws case against him He tried to defend VE, but with not the best tools On April 24 2012 08:18 gonzaw wrote: He just opposes the VE lynch for the sake of opposing it, and seems to ignore everything else that had to do with VE and VE's behaviour. It makes it seem like he wouldn't even care about VE at all and only cared about opposing his lynch. After that he starts to rally people to other candidates (marv/bm). He explained that he did FoS these people only because they had votes on them so it would have been easier to get ahead of VE. I think his reasoning is clear, I find him town. BM He doesnt post, ninja-votes. There is no real case against him because he doesn't post. I can't wrap my head around him, some say scummy, some say don't I can't really decide. If people want to lynch him I will have no objection at all. Sentinel He did not provide any reasoning on his vote for VE or get into the debate about it. A bit scummy. I would vote for him too Marv. From the beginning I felt like BJ is tunneling him too much, he answered his accusations but BJ couldn't understand them, I can relate to that. I am neutral towards him Zephirdd he defended himself with stating he afked, he's still not active enough, hard to judge. Daniel One real post, he votes BM but then promise us a case on marv and that he'll post, we are still waiting. Brood Two posts, he votes marv, I point out some inconsistency in his post but he did not respond. No posts, no case johnnywup On April 24 2012 13:12 MidnightGladius wrote: That said, I still think that you're scum, johnny. You have zeph as your strongest scumread, but refuse to vote for him, and ask for town consensus first, when we've just started the day, and you have the most time to convince others? You have yet to actually push your own scumreads, outside of your earlier sheeping. Your unwillingness to actually put your vote where your voice is very suspicious, and I think that you're trying to gently push for a bandwagon without actually committing. This behavior is just like zeph's list earlier, which is why I'm of the opinion that you're bussing him. I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny. ##Vote: johnnywup | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote: johnnywup I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny. ##Vote: johnnywup This case is getting lost yet again. | ||
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On April 24 2012 13:12 MidnightGladius wrote: Zephirdd's behavior throughout the night, along with his continued attempts to justify his earlier play, reinforce my earlier scumread on him. I haven't looked at Sentinel in as much detail. That said, I still think that you're scum, johnny. You have zeph as your strongest scumread, but refuse to vote for him, and ask for town consensus first, when we've just started the day, and you have the most time to convince others? You have yet to actually push your own scumreads, outside of your earlier sheeping. Your unwillingness to actually put your vote where your voice is very suspicious, and I think that you're trying to gently push for a bandwagon without actually committing. This behavior is just like zeph's list earlier, which is why I'm of the opinion that you're bussing him. ##Vote: johnnywup Oh, and BJ, do you still insist on tunneling marv? I agree with this case, it looks like no one commenting on it. So MG made a case and voted jhonny, then he voted ghost for On April 25 2012 05:21 MidnightGladius wrote: Well, that's that. Nice knowing you, scum. ##Unvote: johnnywup ##Vote: ghost_403 After that he withdrew his vote on ghost, but did not put it back on jhonny. kind a scummy | ||
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On April 25 2012 22:34 Mattchew wrote: I feel like right now we are either lynching scummy newb (Ottox) or scummy lurker (BM, Daniel, and Zeph/Sent to an extent) There are always going to be arguments and hold ups to a lynch hence why nothing is absolute. I just feel right now the BM and Ottox have the highest chance of flipping scum due to their play. When I made a post like this I was attacked on the grounds that I don't make a stance . BJ came up with that I'm noob since then whatever I post no one reads it, Mementoss had a case against me that was reasonable all the other bs I replied to a lot of times. | ||
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On April 25 2012 23:00 johnnywup wrote: ottox, what about that case is interesting? that first post I didn't vote for Zeph because I wanted to read other peoples filters? That doesn't make me scum. I've said many many times I want zeph dead but I was considering other possibilities such as sentinel because of gonzaws wishes. I still feel it is scummy that you hesitate to vote first, asking for a town consensus to jump a wagon. You had a strong read, vote for it. | ||
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On April 25 2012 23:04 Mattchew wrote: a. smilies set off a huge alarm with me. They are usually a subconscious scum tell of you trying to be "cute" and buddy the thread. b. I look at your posts. I find nothing scummy about Johnny. I don't feel the need to defend him because he is not at risk of being lynched. c. I don't really care about your defense (I do read it I just don't respond to it) because you will skew the case and your answer to put you in the best most townie light as town or scum, so your personal defense is pretty much meaningless in my eyes. I will judge you off your cases, interactions with others, opinions, and overall gameplay, not your self-defense a) I'm just frustrated that no one reads my posts I have to repeat everything 10 times. Also the posts 90% lack that kind of contribution that it is expected from me. b,c ok. then stop asking /attacking me about myself, ask me about other ppl | ||
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If you strongly believe in this, why did you voted not much later for Zephird when there was no consensus? You post asking others who to vote -> MG attacks you -> you vote for someone no one else voted. I think you got scared. also you ignored that gonzaw attack Risen too | ||
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On April 26 2012 01:24 ghost_403 wrote: I'm going to be out for up to the rest of the day. I'm hoping to get back on before the deadline, but no promises. I think that Ottoxlol has the best chance of flipping scum, so I'm going with that. ##unvote [UoN]Sentinel ##vote ottoxlol You attacked Sent because he did not had a good strong case on VE just voted then disappeared, guess what are you doing now. | ||
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The other things I explained clearly I think. Its only suspicious because I don't find a good target, I am the only one with lot of votes, maybe Sentinel but no other strong case. I would vote for him if I am forced to. however the case against him is mostly that he voted VE then he did not provide any reasoning or he didnt participate in the debate afterwards. The last post is everyone attacking me for my plans and that I had no scumread so I made a post for your request that contained what I think of each case. | ||
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On April 26 2012 05:13 johnnywup wrote: I'm wondering why it was A 2 D and not ABC or 1 2 3. Whats up with that? O_o Obv scumslip!!! jkjk | ||
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On April 26 2012 05:10 johnnywup wrote: Anyone on ottox, vote for either sentinel or Zephirdd. I'm not convinced that ottox can't just be bad. I feel like Scum may be trying to sway to public opinion into a mislynch by voting Ottox. He may be scum, but I think that we have a way better shot hitting scum by lynching either zephirdd or sentinel. . ##unvote:johnnywup | ||
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On April 26 2012 06:22 Mattchew wrote: Ottox said the truth with his comment about voting the second highest person but his silly post about a scumslip and jkjk is just so passive and deflecting and scummy It was a joke. You are no fun | ||
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On April 26 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote: Two fairly convincing cases on Zephridd, scum buddies trying to bail ottoxol out? Seems unlikely at least for marv, not sure what to think about sentinel though. The fact that Sentinel is posting a legit case when hes in no danger to get lynched today gives him a lil' bit of town cred in my book, that is unless, both him and ottoxlol are scum. Sent did a case on Zeph, but he left his vote on me so he's not really helping me | ||
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##vote Zephirdd The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools. | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:29 Mementoss wrote: Yeah I definitely would. But I was saying that at a point where he unvoted long ago and was leaving his vote as a wild card, as he just voted he voted who I expected him to. On April 26 2012 05:33 Ottoxlol wrote: My vote was wasted on him anyways because no one is voting for him. Since I am the vote leader atm, I have to vote for the 2nd guy, even if I feel like someone is more likely to be scum. | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:50 layabout wrote: Isn't the deadline in 70 minutes? since that would be the same time of day as the night 1 post The deadline was 8:55, the post was later due to mlg | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:27 layabout wrote: Dont vote for zephird! ottozlol's play suggests that he very well could be town because he has made the effort to do things that townies should do. His opinions have some level of consistency. The same cannot be said for MidnightGaldius. His posting suggests that he is looking for easy candidates to push instead of scum to lynch. On April 26 2012 07:42 layabout wrote: The two players that you feel forced into voting for each had a very low number (like 4 or 5 votes) of votes. Instead of voting for the players that received the most but still barely any votes ask yourself some questions: Does this player care about the game? ( if the answer is no then there is a reduced chance that they are scum since scum will at least try to feign interest to look town) Does this player care about finding scum? ottoxlol yes, yes zephird maybe maybe MG yes no Laya, why do you want to kill me if your read is that i am town? | ||
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ottoxlol yes, yes zephird maybe maybe Somehow I read this that you think Zeph is scummier | ||
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MG + Risen are most likely scum. Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates. Zeph had some very strange logic and posts Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there. Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post. laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill. | ||
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Brood: since it was a double town vote I doubt that a scum would wait for the last minute, its good for them anyway, why wait? | ||
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On April 27 2012 04:35 layabout wrote: ghost you may want to do some redirecting: JK's stay the hell away from ottox, if you want to block a goon go for BK (or maybe MG) instead. Vig's shoot the crap out of ottox. When he flips red we will be in a great position. On the outside chance that he flips green then we will know we are on the wrong track. Trackers on Risen or BK or MG. If I am scum, BK is town. If he were scum he would have voted before mat and laya so I wouldve lived without Risens help. | ||
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On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote: Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol. ##vote ottoxlol is not enough | ||
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On April 28 2012 04:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Right now, this is what I think on MG - if Ottoxlol flips red, then it's pretty obvious MG was trying to silence layabout who was pointing out 2-3 scums. Layabout was the one who pushed the Brood-Risen-Otto-scum triumvirate the hardest, and MG kinda just backs away from the ordeal at the end: And that's our 4-man scumteam. GG If the triumvirate would be scum why on earth scum MG would say that? | ||
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also this post On April 27 2012 14:28 MidnightGladius wrote: I haven't been giving this game the attention I should, between cohosting, work, and term papers. I can see that my play this game was been really lacking, and I just haven't been feeling my reads. I've been hedging my posts, because I honestly haven't felt the same kind of conviction with my cases. That said, mislynching me will cost us the game. You're just going to have to trust me. The fact that a bunch of townies have been pushing for me is disheartening, but I'm sure that you will find scum trying to hammer me today. I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals. ##vote MidnightGladius BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all. ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information | ||
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i come from a different mafia community, i wont post any wifoms you guys think it is as bad as scumslips. why is it strange that i change opinions? there was a lot going on between my vote on you and the post where I suspect MG. "has to vote" yes. I waited a lot but in the end I had to vote Zeph. My strongest read was MG. If I vote MG I die. I felt Risen was scummy, but the case was weak. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote: Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker. ##vote: ottoxlol I'm voting BM tomorrow. There is always chance that you are wrong, you shouldn't give up. I am town, don't trust me, vote me, idc, but help finding the others meanwhile don't give up, because you won't be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:01 johnnywup wrote: yeah that wouldn't make sense if they're both scum. I think it's safe to assume they're opposite alignments (i'm ruling out the both townie part because I feel that ottox is scum, and I don't think they could both be scum because risen did put in a lot of pressure unnecessarily). Seeing as Risen changed his vote last minute, if he was scum, he wouldn't care which one was lynched since they're both town, I think that makes it safe to assume Ottox is scum, Risen is town. Thoughts? That would be hilarious. Biggest fail in mafia? Why is it safe to assume were opposite? | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:19 Ottoxlol wrote: BM on MG also this post I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals. ##vote MidnightGladius BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all. ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information | ||
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On April 29 2012 03:38 marvellosity wrote: Is town absolutely set on Ottoxlol today? Or are Risen/MG/anyone else still a possibility? It seems like we've not discussed MG at all today despite him being basically the dead layabout's strongest read for some time. Is everyone so sure ottoxlol is scum ahead of MG? town is not set on anything, they discuss everyone, trying to win. scum is tunneling me. | ||
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On April 24 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote: StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch. He's attacking Sent because he's lurking, yet he did not even mention StD apart from that post. Paqman's attacking BM for lurking, mentions BK, doesnt mention StD apart from two very soft defenses. He mentions that we waste d3 discussion on stupid speculation, but doesnt contribute a thing. Janaan doesnt mention him at all, to be fair he's mentioning that we should not lynch lurker d2-3 because we have posts that we can work with (this was about BM's lynch so I don't think it is relevant). Every other ppl mentioned StD for lynch target or scumread, but no one pushed him other then BK. StD layed really low tho. ghost and Paqman are my reads based on their relations with StD, and their unwillingness to engage in the discussion in the thread. Janaan gives me a headache, he would be my greenest read, but StD voted two times the person he made a case on. Of course this is not conclusive, but he was noob scum, and with Janaan not mentioning him it is a bit suspicious. | ||
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On April 30 2012 02:16 ghost_403 wrote: (1) His content is almost completely filler Aside from my cases, what else would you like to see? I posted my suspicions, plans I almost got lynched. On April 30 2012 02:16 ghost_403 wrote: (2) He almost completely ignores St.Daniels throughout the entire game. Just like everyone else, you softdefended him at least. On April 30 2012 02:16 ghost_403 wrote: (3) He makes stupidly scummy posts. On April 25 2012 05:19 ghost_403 wrote: Sentinel has two votes. I vote we lynch him today and Ottoxlol tomorrow. Sound good? On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote: Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol. ##vote ottoxlol On April 28 2012 04:39 ghost_403 wrote: @ottoxlol: Scummy enough I would take a look at him if I hadn't already decided to lynch you today. I'm not willing to consider anyone else until this Ottoxlol and Risen thing is taken care of. After you post a case thats the copy of laya's post on the Risen lastminute vote issue and you decide that if Risen made a mistake he is a scum. Like VE, right? About Zeph and johnny On April 28 2012 08:32 Ottoxlol wrote: why is it strange that i change opinions? there was a lot going on between my vote on johny and the post where I suspect MG. "has to vote" yes. I waited a lot but in the end I had to vote Zeph. My strongest read was MG. If I vote MG I die. I felt Risen was scummy, but the case was weak. About MG lynch. we had a good case, he gave up, no one pushed anyone else but BK. If you are so sure that I am scum and MG isnt why did you left after voting? Why not push me? I tell you why, because you are scum and you were fine either way. Another empty post, all of the accusations which had been answered already, PaqMan: Ok, you did contributed, my bad. The case on me was already discussed to death and you did not add anything, BM detto. Why calling me out because I change opinions after a day? You had the same town and scumreads from the start? On April 27 2012 05:10 Ottoxlol wrote: I pointed out that is a mistake in his argument. I think BK is town. If JK/Tracker thinks I am scum, pointing out the uselessness of tracking or jailing BK is good. Nice bolding there, trying to skew my post? On April 27 2012 05:10 Ottoxlol wrote: I pointed out that is a mistake in his argument. I think BK is town. If JK/Tracker thinks I am scum, pointing out the uselessness of tracking or jailing BK is good. This part answers your question. On April 22 2012 13:41 PaqMan wrote: And it's blatantly idiotic of you to not vote for a dude who's been lurking the entire game and suddenly makes an unannounced vote without no explanation whatsoever. Have you not read my posts? I voted for Matt the second I started to think he's scummy. Calling out johnny for not voting the ninja voter. On April 23 2012 01:45 PaqMan wrote: Also, this is pure speculation, but what if BM is a GF? We're dismissing him and assuming our vigi (if we even have one) will shoot him. Pushing BM but not StD for the ninja vote On April 22 2012 13:39 PaqMan wrote: Mattchew's not off my site yet but wth wouldn't you vote for BM when the dude's been lurking the whole game and makes a quiet vote. | ||
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On April 30 2012 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: All I can really say is Otto's back to his old strategy of defensive posting and not pushing anybody. The same page. On April 30 2012 00:52 Ottoxlol wrote: ghost soft defending StD He's attacking Sent because he's lurking, yet he did not even mention StD apart from that post. Paqman's attacking BM for lurking, mentions BK, doesnt mention StD apart from two very soft defenses. He mentions that we waste d3 discussion on stupid speculation, but doesnt contribute a thing. Janaan doesnt mention him at all, to be fair he's mentioning that we should not lynch lurker d2-3 because we have posts that we can work with (this was about BM's lynch so I don't think it is relevant). Every other ppl mentioned StD for lynch target or scumread, but no one pushed him other then BK. StD layed really low tho. ghost and Paqman are my reads based on their relations with StD, and their unwillingness to engage in the discussion in the thread. Janaan gives me a headache, he would be my greenest read, but StD voted two times the person he made a case on. Of course this is not conclusive, but he was noob scum, and with Janaan not mentioning him it is a bit suspicious. I went into details in my "defensive post" | ||
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I posted the first one. They replied with some quality scumminess. I answered them and went into more details why I think they are scum. This is pushing. What are you talking about? | ||
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On April 30 2012 08:50 Risen wrote: His case against ghost is really just him defending himself What are you talking about? I made the first post, how is that just defense. :D he tried to defend himself, I replied, And it was not just defense. I point out scum. Something you don't do. Just for you my saver: On April 30 2012 04:41 Ottoxlol wrote: Just like everyone else, you softdefended him at least. After you post a case thats the copy of laya's post on the Risen lastminute vote issue and you decide that if Risen made a mistake he is a scum. Like VE, right? About MG lynch. we had a good case, he gave up, no one pushed anyone else but BK. If you are so sure that I am scum and MG isnt why did you left after voting? Why not push me? I tell you why, because you are scum and you were fine either way. Another empty post, all of the accusations which had been answered already, I love these arguments that I am not saying anything, I am just defending myself. I hope town reads my posts so we can lynch some scum. | ||
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I was talking about StD's relations. Sorry that I mentioned you were the only one voting him (somehow you interpreted this as I am trying to incriminate you?) Go back, find my post that I made after the one you quoted first. Then read the posts after that from the others. | ||
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On May 02 2012 00:50 Janaan wrote: ##Vote: Ottoxlol | ||
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Sent on the other hand claims he did not jailed n1 because he was busy. He posted after nightpost and after daypost 5 min in. I doubt he was too busy. | ||
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On April 30 2012 10:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: First night was during my lurking phase, and was too busy to PM iGrok an action. On April 23 2012 09:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Well on the bright side, if blue blood comes out he's definitely an alien... +2 posts around this time On April 24 2012 09:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end. He was busy, right. | ||
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I was sure that after Risen's bread hell get lynched, seems like town was not too active sadly | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:35 gonzaw wrote: Here's the thing I don't get: ...why are we cursing against each other instead of cursing at Ottox? + Show Spoiler + lol jk no cursing, love all of you guys :D This was my first game here on TL, I think I played decent after d2. I didn't know that if I talk I am scum. I don't believe I am to blame for the town's loss tho, as I wrote in my last post alive, this whole he's scummy lynch him was not working at all. Newb scum would have help from the others, newb town will post more "bad posts" imo. I loved Matt's claim, Risen crumbs :D:D Too bad the remaining townies werent active enough to react. wp scum | ||
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