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Bill Murray - 1 vote
Mattchew
Risen - 1 Vote
Paqman
johhnywup - 1 Vote
MidnightGladius
Zephirdd - 1 Vote
johnnywup
Ottoxlol - 1 Vote
Mementoss
BlazingJitsu
BlazingJitsu - 1 Vote
Ottoxlol
[UoN]Sentinel - 2 Votes
Zephirrd
ghost_403
Seeing that huge spread of votes brought a tear to my eye. If we continue to push everyone and their mother then we make it very easy for scum to do whatever they like, as there are multiples ways that can take advantage of a clueless town.
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On April 24 2012 21:15 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +Another thing that I was going to note last night was the fact that Sentinel has been lurking like a bawse through this whole game. If you take a look at what he wrote last night, he more or less claimed that he was onboard the VE lynch, and that's it. Sentinel is afraid of posting in this thread, because he's afraid he'll do something to out his scumbuddies. I thought he was scum yesterday, our townie friend sloosh thought he was scum before Sentinel killed him, and I think we should be lynching him today. I'm guessing that he rolled goon, which is why he's so afraid to get caught. Scum KP should drop to 1 after we lynch Sentinel.
Let's look at Sentinel's posts from last night! Poast 1"I was totally onboard for the VE lynch before VE was". Who cares? What does this add to the thread? How does this help us hunt scum? MG's idea that the scum voted to lynch VE before the townies is flawed to begin with, and now he somehow wants more credit for it? On April 24 2012 09:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:posting reads before deadline... have to shit real bad so brb in like 20 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kUoLq.jpg) Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end. Scum love making townie reads, because it saves them the trouble of scum hunting. You have nothing to say about the fact that Mattchew thinks you're scum? I'd be pissed if I ended up red on that list. On April 24 2012 09:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm in Star Battle so I won't make the deadline. I'll probably post some once I'm done, closer to 14:00 GMT (+00:00) "I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping." On April 24 2012 10:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck, have to push back my reply to tomorrow early morning. See above. On April 24 2012 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it. See above.
There's no reason for a townie to have this little content in the game. One post with a decent thought is all I ask for. Just one. One post where I can look back and agree or disagree with what you have to say. Instead, this. Nothing of content. The lack of content from Sentinel is due to the fact that's he's terrified of being caught. That's 'cause Sentinel rolled scum. ##vote [UoN]Sentinel
If the crux of your case is his lack of a contribution then i must inform you that, that is typical of him.
his past games
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On April 25 2012 05:17 MidnightGladius wrote:
Are you arguing that I should have been more convinced of VE's innocence, despite his scummy play, and pushed people off of his lynch? Perhaps I could have, but hindsight is cruel, and I would have not wanted to have been led to a no-lynch. Like I said in the post you only partially quoted, I highly doubt that I could have convinced the people voting for VE to move off of him.
Would I have liked to have been perfectly certain and pulled a ton of pressure to move votes off of VE? Sure. Did I think it was the right, or feasible, idea at the time? No.
A no-lynch
A lynch on a player that you beleive is the town Jailed keeper
Which is better if you are a)Town? or b)Mafia?
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Bolded: things that show that MignightGladius thought that VE was scum, or supported lynching him
Underlined:things that show that MignightGlagius did not actually think that VE was scum.
On April 23 2012 02:24 MidnightGladius wrote:
Good morning, everyone. Yesterday's activities stretched way longer than anticipated, a friend ended up crashing at my place, and I wasn't keen on staying awake past 2AM to re-read the thread.
I'm dropping my vote on marv, because other players are looking way more suspicious. He has also started posting much better, and I think his earlier response to my and BJ's cases was genuine.
VE's claim makes absolutely no sense at all to me, and I can't see how it, or his subsequent behavior, benefits the town at all. Other players have made their cases well enough, so I'm not going to rehash their points, but VE is one of the more scummy players here right now. The only problem is, unlike LI, this claim makes no sense, doesn't advance a scum agenda, and isn't being supported by other mafia members. No one is even trying to defend him, except johnnywup, and I didn't see a scum plan out of their previous interactions. Would scum bus VE this early? It just doesn't make nearly as much sense as his actions in LI.
The other possibility is that VE and johnnywup are both scum, playing less than optimally, with one or more of their teammates lurking heavily.
In fact, the more I look at johnnywup's filter, it's pretty condemning.
Starting from the second page of his filter, he puts a lot of suspicion on Paqman, who he calls "super scummy." However, he doesn't vote for him.
He then says that Risen and St.Daniel are both scummy, raises doubts about Paqman's voting, and states that marv is looking better. He then immediately votes for marvellosity after BJ's second case. Why is johnny willing to revise his reads and immediately vote based on others' reasoning, while completely failing to push and vote for his own scumreads?
He earlier was going to post a case on Sentinel, but never did so, apparently having felt that his evidence wasn't firm enough, but he continues to view Sentinel suspiciously, and even considers voting for him at ghost's request, if he presents a case. Again, we see a pattern where johnnywup is entirely willing to sheep other players, but doesn't want to make the first move.
Johnny's reasoning for not having to post his case, "I'm being transparent, and I think my case is bad, so I'm not going to post it," is fair enough, but it leaves a pretty gaping hole in his argument: If Sentinel was scummy to him, but he couldn't make a compelling case, then what about his other scumreads? If johnny thinks Sentinel is innocent, then that must mean that he finds other players more suspicious. However, he doesn't pursue any of them! He doesn't write any cases, or ask any questions, or anything.
Johnny's voteswitch to BM comes totally out of the blue. He doesn't say anything about why he's unvoting marv, despite earlier being more sure of it than he was of his own case against Paqman. And guess what, he immediately is certain of BM's guilt... but only after others made the first move.
In between his posts where he is absolutely certain of someone being scum, he posts a bunch of not-particularly-helpful one-liners, but he hasn't done any real scumhunting of his own at all. Besides his defense of VE, he hasn't really taken an independent stance on anything. That, coupled with his sheeping, is enough to convince me.
##Unvote: marvellosity
##Vote: johnnywup
MidnightGalsdius comes in at a time where players where voting for VE. He comes in a shows his support for a VE lynch. He also tells us doesn't know why VE would do what he is doing and that he doesn't think we should lynch him. Then he immediately labels VE and johnny scumbuddies and makes his case on Johnnywub.
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On April 23 2012 04:21 MidnightGladius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My case on johnny is largely independent of VE's alignment. I'm voting for him, because his behavior is hesitant, except when he's sheeping someone else, and he's suddenly bold and certain. That inconsistency is what really bothers me about him.
The fact that Risen hasn't posted recently is concerning, but I found his earlier anger in character, and I want to give him a chance to respond and share his new reads before I vote for him. BH, I don't have as firm a scumread on marv as I did earlier, and I think you're tunneling him a bit too hard. As you said yourself, his more recent posts have been reasonably solid, but you disregard that as an "exception to the rule." I'm more tempted to think that, so long as his posting quality doesn't deteriorate, he's town with a weak Day 1 start. You're also concerned with his weak case, and I agree that he has a lot to make up for with his upcoming play, but I'm not convinced now that he's scum.
Would you care to take a step back and look for other possible scum candidates, or are you going to insist that you're right?
It speaks for itself really, but please note that he thinks that there are multiple players that are better lynches than VE.
This next post is 75 minutes before the deadline.
On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?
Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.
Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.
I still think that johnny is the best scum candidate at the moment, and that it's not too late to make it happen. His defense against my allegation of sheeping was to acknowledge that he was sheeping and claim that he's a bad player. How in the world are we just letting that slide? I would also be okay with lynching VE based on his complete unwillingness to continue playing, even though I'm hesitant to lynch a D1 jailkeeper claim, ridiculously scummy play or not.+ Show Spoiler +Apparently there are no activity requirements for this game, but I still want to hear from BM before making any decisions about him.
My current read on Risen is null, though it's hard to tell, because the tone of his posts is really starting to get on my nerves.
Now he is willing to lynch VE despite Johnny+other being better candidates that he thinks could still be lynched. VE has not done anything new and no new evidence or reasoning has come to light since MG's other posts. He also calls him ridiculously scummy, and places the responsibility for his vote onto VE.
He also claims thinks that is is not too late for us to change who we lynch. If he believes this and he wants to get us to change who to vote for, then he is going to need to be persuasive. Why then, does he also announce that he is totally fine with lynching the person that we are set to lynch?
Nothing changes my mind more than somebody that tells me that they think i should vote for somebody else but also that they support my vote and are willing to change theirs to match mine.
Then he shows up and berates "us" for letting "that"(VE lynch) happen even though he showed both subtle and open support for it.
On April 23 2012 09:19 MidnightGladius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +..... I can't believe we just let that happen.
slOosh
marvellosity
Bill Murray
Ottoxlol
VE
layabout
Sentinel
Zephirdd
In order of voting time. I wonder how many scum were on VE's lynch? Tomorrow, we're taking a long hard look at Zephirdd.
I think MidnightGladius is one scummy dude. He is a superior candidate to the existing candidates.
##vote MidnightGladius
I am aware that gonzaw raised some of these points and that MG kinda addressed them here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14454129 .
But that doesn't change the fact that his actions suggest that he is mafia. Or the fact (probably) that he is mafia
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On April 25 2012 05:37 Mattchew wrote:
We should still lynch BM
If you hadn't made it clear from the outset* that your decision to push BM was independent of BM's play then maybe people would take posts like this seriously.
But you did, they don't, move on.
+ Show Spoiler [*] +On April 21 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:
So anyway should we policy lynch Bill Murray because
a. he is scum in like 99% of his recent games
b. he gets away with everything "because he's Bill Murray"
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On April 25 2012 06:17 Mattchew wrote:
into him ninja voting VE (not just some random), letting VE get lynched, yelling at others for lynching VE, and overall terrible posting. I think his town meta atleast has him say he'll try hard at somepoint
If that is the evolution of your case, then i think that your case is about to become a victim of natural selection
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In all seriousness
The ninja vote in that context is not alignment indicative.
Letting VE get lynch is something that only the people on BM did anything to stop.
Terrible posting is a vague criticism and depending on the critic could be misapplied or applied to nearly anyone in the game.
As far as i am aware he didn't yell at others for lynching VE, the closest post is here:
On April 24 2012 14:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I would be pretty hypocritical to vote him for that. I don't see it. It is really easy to mistake someone who is nervous with a Doctor or Jailkeeper role as being mafia... It's something we can't help. VE's vote for me was more like a placeholder. I was pretty busy during the time period. I didn't expect to get wagonned by mafia and for him to actually die. VE is a great player that shouldn't ever be lynched on D1. We should have lynched someone like Paqman on policy, though I'm glad we didn't now. His "we could have 3 vigs" comment cracked me up.
He says he put the vote on VE (which was before the claim)
He says he was busy and was unable to come back and change his vote.
The questionable part (unless you think he is a liar) is why he would put his place holder vote on a player that he thinks should never be lynched day1 one.
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Marv:
I do not think i did soft defend zeph. I stated that i thought he was not scummy, tried to elaborate on that and then criticised the case against him.
Sentinel:
Again that is a direct criticism of the case. It's relevant, and is not a soft defence.
BM:
see above post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14471152
I think that he is being pushed for horrible reasons. I don't think he has a very high chance of flipping mafia. But he is doing next to nothing to establish his innocence or help us and we don't owe him anything. He is "null"
his is play reminds me of jubjub (traitor) and death factory 2 (town sudo-dt)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Bill Murray&gb=date&d=
In all honesty i am sick of trying to figure out what he is when he doesn't seem to want to make it any easier. I do not think that there is much that can be analysed and i do not think anybody had made any points that show that he is any likelier to be scum than he would be by pure chance.
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On April 25 2012 06:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:40 layabout wrote:On April 25 2012 06:17 Mattchew wrote:
into him ninja voting VE (not just some random), letting VE get lynched, yelling at others for lynching VE, and overall terrible posting. I think his town meta atleast has him say he'll try hard at somepoint If that is the evolution of your case, then i think that your case is about to become a victim of natural selection + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness The ninja vote in that context is not alignment indicative. Letting VE get lynch is something that only the people on BM did anything to stop. Terrible posting is a vague criticism and depending on the critic could be misapplied or applied to nearly anyone in the game. As far as i am aware he didn't yell at others for lynching VE, the closest post is here: On April 24 2012 14:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I would be pretty hypocritical to vote him for that. I don't see it. It is really easy to mistake someone who is nervous with a Doctor or Jailkeeper role as being mafia... It's something we can't help. VE's vote for me was more like a placeholder. I was pretty busy during the time period. I didn't expect to get wagonned by mafia and for him to actually die. VE is a great player that shouldn't ever be lynched on D1. We should have lynched someone like Paqman on policy, though I'm glad we didn't now. His "we could have 3 vigs" comment cracked me up. He says he put the vote on VE (which was before the claim) He says he was busy and was unable to come back and change his vote. The questionable part (unless you think he is a liar) is why he would put his place holder vote on a player that he thinks should never be lynched day1 one. But when do we stop saying "oh its BM" and say "lynch that scum"
When we have a reason to.
eg. we have analysis that demonstrates that he is scum or we have plenty of storng town reads and the pool of players that scum lie in is small enough to make him a good lynch.
I am concerned about why Ottoxlol is suggesting that we try to link the alignments of players together on shaky grounds and then lynch into them to find scum. This is a recipe for mislynches aplenty* and looks worse when you consider that he did so under pressure, instead of giving us solid opinions about who he thinks is scum.
+ Show Spoiler [*] +Do i need to explain this? Because i love a little bit of theorycraft.
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What is your second best scum read behind MG?
for a time it was mementoss but i could not build a solid argument.
yesterday i felt that ottoxlol was green but his posts today have prompted me to re-think my position
At the moment it's Ottoxlol
There is likely scum among the lurkers but i have no magic way to find them:
i forgot that Broodking was playing for some time, he seemed eager to play before the game but is showing no signs of that now that we are underway
St.daniel is seeing another thread behind our back! but he has been absent form both games for some time which makes his lurking look less incriminating.
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On April 25 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote:On April 25 2012 06:43 Mattchew wrote:On April 25 2012 06:40 layabout wrote:On April 25 2012 06:17 Mattchew wrote:
into him ninja voting VE (not just some random), letting VE get lynched, yelling at others for lynching VE, and overall terrible posting. I think his town meta atleast has him say he'll try hard at somepoint If that is the evolution of your case, then i think that your case is about to become a victim of natural selection + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness The ninja vote in that context is not alignment indicative. Letting VE get lynch is something that only the people on BM did anything to stop. Terrible posting is a vague criticism and depending on the critic could be misapplied or applied to nearly anyone in the game. As far as i am aware he didn't yell at others for lynching VE, the closest post is here: On April 24 2012 14:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I would be pretty hypocritical to vote him for that. I don't see it. It is really easy to mistake someone who is nervous with a Doctor or Jailkeeper role as being mafia... It's something we can't help. VE's vote for me was more like a placeholder. I was pretty busy during the time period. I didn't expect to get wagonned by mafia and for him to actually die. VE is a great player that shouldn't ever be lynched on D1. We should have lynched someone like Paqman on policy, though I'm glad we didn't now. His "we could have 3 vigs" comment cracked me up. He says he put the vote on VE (which was before the claim) He says he was busy and was unable to come back and change his vote. The questionable part (unless you think he is a liar) is why he would put his place holder vote on a player that he thinks should never be lynched day1 one. But when do we stop saying "oh its BM" and say "lynch that scum" When we have a reason to. eg. we have analysis that demonstrates that he is scum or we have plenty of storng town reads and the pool of players that scum lie in is small enough to make him a good lynch. I am concerned about why Ottoxlol is suggesting that we try to link the alignments of players together on shaky grounds and then lynch into them to find scum. This is a recipe for mislynches aplenty* and looks worse when you consider that he did so under pressure, instead of giving us solid opinions about who he thinks is scum. + Show Spoiler [*] +Do i need to explain this? Because i love a little bit of theorycraft. Is the fact that he's a total newb an excuse for this? Or do you think it's gone beyond this excuse by now?
No it does not.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 14:41 Ottoxlol wrote:
I haven't played mafia on tl
To the question you addressed to Paqman, I have some suspicions because some people doesnt like logic, but i think its too early to decide its their limitations or theyre scums. If he has to specify that he hasn't played on TlL then it's likely that he has played mafia somewhere else. If this is the case then he should be treated like somebody that knows that he is advocating something bad. Also his questions while not productive, are pertinent so he is probably smart enough to realise why what he is suggesting is anti town
He was happy to be sitting back and critiquing others yesterday, too. Which can be a way of looking like you are contributing without achieving anything. His suggestion today and reaction to pressure looked bad to me when i read it. I think's it's worth reading over his day1 play and deciding how much of what he did was him trying to accomplish something and how much of it was trying to echo the sentiments of the thread.
MignightGladius is still a much better vote.
I will be posting again in about 18 hours and there better be votes on MG when i get back.
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On April 25 2012 08:03 MidnightGladius wrote:Okay, next time I'll know not to try reading the thread when exhausted. ##Unvote: ghost_403layabout, I'm never going to live that line expressing regret about VE down, am I? Next time, I'll be sure to just repeat everyone else saying that VE was bad, and that would be better, right? 
If you are going to act like that statement after VE's flip is the reason for my case and try to downplay it instead of explaining your scummy behaviour then it's clear to me that you cannot explain your scummy behaviour and you are trying to discredit my case instead.
Goodnight.
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real life kicked in, i am back and reading the thread
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If you have a town read on MignightGladius please speak out.
Earilier i may have written that gonzaw made points against him but i was incorrect. SlOosh is the player that made a case against him. Since Mignight Gladius is probably scum, hitting slOosh has become much more understandable.
Mignight is not being proactive about posting and he has again tried to play down and discredit my accusations against him rather than be open or honest about his acitions. He has kept his posting to a minimum.
Today we have had a much more "productive" discussion, and by that i mean nearly everything has been centred about who to lynch and why, it has consisted largely of players giving their opinions and sharing reads. By contrast much of yesterday was spent discussing the set-up (to get discussion going) there was an awful lot of trashy/hateful posting proportionally far less of the postin gthat we have seen today. When the discussion was not serious but was easy to post thoughts without having to give strong opinions Mignight was posting a lot and he was posting long. Now that he can only post about who he thinks the scum are, he has gone quiet, and the posts he has made have been shorter and devoid of content.
i also didn't place vote yesterday
##vote MignightGladius
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On April 26 2012 07:11 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 07:02 layabout wrote:If you have a town read on MignightGladius please speak out. Earilier i may have written that gonzaw made points against him but i was incorrect. SlOosh is the player that made a case against him. Since Mignight Gladius is probably scum, hitting slOosh has become much more understandable. Mignight is not being proactive about posting and he has again tried to play down and discredit my accusations against him rather than be open or honest about his acitions. He has kept his posting to a minimum. Today we have had a much more "productive" discussion, and by that i mean nearly everything has been centred about who to lynch and why, it has consisted largely of players giving their opinions and sharing reads. By contrast much of yesterday was spent discussing the set-up (to get discussion going) there was an awful lot of trashy/hateful posting proportionally far less of the postin gthat we have seen today. When the discussion was not serious but was easy to post thoughts without having to give strong opinions Mignight was posting a lot and he was posting long. Now that he can only post about who he thinks the scum are, he has gone quiet, and the posts he has made have been shorter and devoid of content. i also didn't place vote yesterday ##vote MignightGladius With an hour left, I don't like that you are avoiding the 2 most popular lynches. So you can't be put on a person with a possible green flip, since you would be almost the deciding vote. Although I see I do see the possibilty of MG being scummy.
with 2 hours left i avoiding a townread and a lynch that i view to be inferior to the person that i voted for.
click here
search for mentions of "zeph" or zephird in MG's filter
Look at how MG says he has a scum read on zeph late into day1 (after his vote), says that we should lynch into the players that voted VE (including zephird), repeats that he has a scumread on zephird, never explains why, and then votes for Zeph because zeph did not managing to change MG's opinion of him:
On April 26 2012 05:37 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm putting my vote on zeph. He has said nothing recently to make me change my mind about his earlier posting, and johnny's recent posting has made me less suspicious of him. He has stopped sheeping actively, and raises good points. I do want to tell johnny that building on gonzaw's cases is reasonable, but though we know that he was innocent, we have no idea as to whether or not he was actually right.
Sentinel is pretty much impossible for me to read, and his latest WIFOM is incredibly frustrating. My intuition on him is apathetic town, but he could easily be scum, and I just can't tell. I don't feel like he's taking things at all seriously, and his unwillingness to push cases beyond Ottoxlol doesn't help.
And we still have so many lurkers, and no vig claims to deal with them... BKEXE, any conclusions yet? St.Daniel, now that you're replaced out of SNMMX, any thoughts? We really can't do this without you guys.
##Vote: Zephirdd
He also gives up on his "big scumread" Johnnywub that he actually bothered to make a case against day1. Judging by his lolwtf unvote of johnny to vote for ghost earlier, i can't help but wonder at what point MG decided that he couldn't push Johnny anymore, but whenever that was, it seems like it was a long time before he was willing to tell the thread. This implies that he was willing to make a case against a player that he did not think was scum to make himself look better.
he makes this criticism of ottoxlol
On April 25 2012 05:01 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm exhausted and going to take a nap, but I want to say that Ottoxlol's play one these last 2 pages alone is really scummy. He's willing to push any of BM, Zeph, or Sent, again without any particular conviction. The excuse "they're all equally likely to be scum to me" is incredibly flimsy.
[i]not full quote]
even though he is guilty of the same.
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Dont vote for zephird!
ottozlol's play suggests that he very well could be town because he has made the effort to do things that townies should do. His opinions have some level of consistency.
The same cannot be said for MidnightGaldius. His posting suggests that he is looking for easy candidates to push instead of scum to lynch.
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The two players that you feel forced into voting for each had a very low number (like 4 or 5 votes) of votes. Instead of voting for the players that received the most but still barely any votes ask yourself some questions:
Does this player care about the game? ( if the answer is no then there is a reduced chance that they are scum since scum will at least try to feign interest to look town)
Does this player care about finding scum?
ottoxlol yes, yes
zephird maybe maybe
MG yes no
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Johnny i didn't think zeph was scummy yesterday and i said so. I still don't think he is now. And my number 1 scumread voted for him.
MG has been truly apathetic towards today's lynch, he has put in very little effort and offered very little of his own thoughts. He was willing to write a case against Johnny, he gave up on it, and now he has hopped onto the zeph wagon because of reasons that he has apparently had for days that he is not willing to share with us.
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Isn't the deadline in 70 minutes?
since that would be the same time of day as the night 1 post
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On April 26 2012 07:54 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 07:48 layabout wrote:
Johnny i didn't think zeph was scummy yesterday and i said so. I still don't think he is now. And my number 1 scumread voted for him.
MG has been truly apathetic towards today's lynch, he has put in very little effort and offered very little of his own thoughts. He was willing to write a case against Johnny, he gave up on it, and now he has hopped onto the zeph wagon because of reasons that he has apparently had for days that he is not willing to share with us.
I wrote a case on johnny, it was ignored (except by Ottoxlol today), and I dropped it after re-evaluating johnny's play. My vote on ghost was admittedly poorly reasoned and paranoid. I wrote my reasons for voting for Zephirdd, and they haven't changed since then. If you want me to rehash all of my points each time new evidence comes up, that's all well and good, and I could quote all of Zeph's fearmongering and deflection and fluff today, but I don't plan on doing it.
At the start of the day you voted for Johnny because you had written a case against him yesterday but not gotten him lynched.
You dropped the Johnny is scum trail of thought (in the thread at least) when you unvoted him to vote for ghost for reason that i will refer to as "ludicrous". That fact that you did this shows that you really were not convinced that Johnny was scum. But since you easily dropped your top scumread i would expect you to make the effort to replace it. Instead you lurk and sheep a vote onto a player that you claimed to have a scumread on (after others had called him suspicious) but a scumread that you never felt was worth explaining to the thread.
It seems like you didn't plan on showing evidence or explaining anything today.
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ottox if you don't switch onto MG i will kill you
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