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On April 22 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote:
I'm strung up because short of time I make a couple of one-liners. I've since explained TWICE what I think about various parts of the game (including paragraphy analsyis of your shitty case).
oh yes you could not have possible made up that story as scum
-Blazinghand
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He can be as aggressive as he wants. I don't care. what matters is whether or not he, you know, does anything useful at all ever all game in any post.
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 08:43 marvellosity wrote:
BH: here's an idea: look at my posts, and make a narrative from a scum perspective.
Are my one-liners confusing? Are they leading the town astray? am I promoting confusion?
Since I've tried to post tonight, have I not been transparent?
Where is my fucking scum play that isn't "posted a little pointlessly and now I'm tunneling him to fuck"?
You've literally done nothing helpful. This is another scummy post from you. You're still not helping.
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote:
@marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum.
Here I've got a good marv impression for you
Marv: "wahh I'm gonna be mad, curse at BH, and not help the town!"
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:44 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 08:43 marvellosity wrote:
BH: here's an idea: look at my posts, and make a narrative from a scum perspective.
Are my one-liners confusing? Are they leading the town astray? am I promoting confusion?
Since I've tried to post tonight, have I not been transparent?
Where is my fucking scum play that isn't "posted a little pointlessly and now I'm tunneling him to fuck"? You've literally done nothing helpful. This is another scummy post from you. You're still not helping.
-Blazinghand Yet you fail to answer any of my questions. Why don't you look at the filter list and ask what about 6 of the non-posters have done? I've cast my opinion on matt's case - I think it isn't right, and I've provided the reasons. I've also cast my opinion that VE's objection to gonzaw's claim was REALLY BAD, and he never backed it up. Please, go ahead and tell me I've done less than a bunch of other lurkers in the game.
Things this post isn't: a case, a scumread, or a push.
Things this post is: totally annoying whining.
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote:
@johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter.
useless townie =/= scum.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4znk4.gif)
I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything?
My god.
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 09:06 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote:
@johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter.
useless townie =/= scum. I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god.
-Blazinghand Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad.
Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy.
Are you just not very bright or what
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 09:05 gonzaw wrote:
BH you too
Read sloosh's case against VE, read my case against VE and tell me to my face whether you think he's scum (and may support his lynch today) or not; and post reasoning for thinking either of them.
If marv doesn't get lynched today, who would you lynch BH?
I would lynch Marv.
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 09:10 PaqMan wrote:
The basis of your argument can be applied to Ghost as well -
useless, unhelpful, noncontributing, no real content, etc.
Make a case, then. Call him out. Vote him and make him respond. The case against Marv is against a guy who's post more words than Ghost, more paragraphs, all full to the brim with emptiness.
Help a brotha out
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 09:12 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:10 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:06 PaqMan wrote:On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote:
@johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter.
useless townie =/= scum. I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god.
-Blazinghand Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad. Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy. Are you just not very bright or what
-Blazinghand No, I just hate how you use caps and pictures so much. You're annoying.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GxTnK.gif)
I'd rather be annoying than dull. Cause, well, that's you. Dull. not bright. slow. I can only assume you're intentionally NOT getting the basis of my case. The crux of the case against Marv isn't that his POST COUNT is low. It's that he's posted a lot and it's ALL WORTHLESS.
ALL
WORTHLESS.
And there's fair amoutn of posting, too! And it's all dressed up to look like it MIGHT be useful, YET HERE WE ARE. Marv still hasn't done anything useful.
-Blazinghand
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On April 22 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:16 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:12 PaqMan wrote:On April 22 2012 09:10 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:06 PaqMan wrote:On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 22 2012 09:00 PaqMan wrote:
@johnny why so defensive? chill out bro.
BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much.
Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter.
useless townie =/= scum. I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god.
-Blazinghand Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad. Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy. Are you just not very bright or what
-Blazinghand No, I just hate how you use caps and pictures so much. You're annoying. I'd rather be annoying than dull. Cause, well, that's you. Dull. not bright. slow. I can only assume you're intentionally NOT getting the basis of my case. The crux of the case against Marv isn't that his POST COUNT is low. It's that he's posted a lot and it's ALL WORTHLESS. ALL WORTHLESS. And there's fair amoutn of posting, too! And it's all dressed up to look like it MIGHT be useful, YET HERE WE ARE. Marv still hasn't done anything useful.
-Blazinghand Tunnelling much?
Another priceless gem from the mind of Marv! And by that I mean "wow, Marv still not useful eh"
-Blazinghand
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Good morning ladies and gentlemen, and gonzaw.
Marv needs to die.
So I don't know why the dicks you guys are suddenly sitting on marv's cock. I'm gonna break it down for you real quick why Marv is scum and needs to die. First off, literally everything he posted before my last pont was shitty dick scum posting (mixed in with some crybaby whining about how I called him out about his shitty dick scum posting). I pushed (and am pushing) him aggressively, and he decries this as some sort of unreasonable inhuman play. I will not apologize for what I am, though-- because what I am is RIGHT.
In any case, here are his 4 posts he's made, including his first real case.
On April 22 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote:
Alright.
Two things: I find VE's faux objection to gonzaw's case really scummy. It was never backed up by any convincing analysis and it was brushed over by "I don't like the plan"
Second: BH's tunnelling of me makes me despair. This is Day 1. I would really really really love to have super strong scummy cases to make on someone, but I don't. At the moment, I think sloosh's case on VE is as strong as it gets, and echos my own sentiments on how the game has played out.
There have been many more lurkers, but the only inconsistency I have found has been VE's nonsense.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
Oh shit, Marv finally did something. Let's take a look at the core components of his justification for his vote here. Remember that this is before VE's ass-retarded roleclaim (which I'll get to in a moment), so Marv has to rely on other reasoning to explain his vote. His reasoning is... VE's objection to gonzaw's case is scummy. That's his entire reasoning. Well, that and "I don't have any other scumreads".
So, when we break it down here, what is Marv really saying? He's saying "I don't have any good scumreads, but VE did something vaguely weird, so I'm gonna vote him. Please don't call me out for my shitty dick case that has no real analysis, or the fact that I still haven't posted any real analysis." In fact, here, I'll quote you what he previously said about VE, the stuff that he's referencing in his case here:
+ Show Spoiler [Marv's supporting case elements] +On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. On April 22 2012 08:17 marvellosity wrote:
Paragraph 2: I found VE's objection and lack of continuing through bad. Do I find it somewhat scummy? Yes. Do I have an entire case to present on the matter? No.
Well, shit. It kinda looks like Marv doesn't actually think VE is scum. He says that that most of VE's filter is fine, and he says VE's particular statement is "somewhat" scummy, and he doesn't have an entire case. And that's correct-- he doesn't have an entire case. These sparse few sentences are the only things he ever says on VE leading up to his vote. Remember, this is before VE's retardclaim.
So, in summary, when Marv voted VE, he gave no reasons that a town Marv would find acceptable, and basically was just trying to shrug off the suspicion and pressure that was on him by appearing to take a stance. The only reasonable explanation for Marv voting VE with the case he presented is that Marv is scum trying to look less scummy. A town player would, you know, actually have a reason for his vote.
This vote is probably even scummier than every post Marv made before, and that's really saying something.
It really is.
Now, the rest of Marv's posts after his case on VE actually aren't so bad. They're not really good or useful, but contextualized in Marv's travesty of a posting history, they're not so bad.
+ Show Spoiler [Marv's other posts] +On April 22 2012 09:54 marvellosity wrote:
Ok, sadly I have to go to bed and not argue like fuck against my lynch. Some thoughts
1) there is currently no opposition to my lynch. If I'm scum, apparently scum are happy for me to die
2) there is VE's inconsistent attack on gonzaw's case with absolutely no further explanation. So, my vote on VE
3) I'm usually very active. So I had a bloody social life for a day and I'm being crucified for one-liners which I've expanded upon
4) BH is tunnelling me like fuck. I can't even believe he's scum because it's just ridiculous
5) There are a bunch of inactive players who are being given an easy ride when apparently i'm easy to lynch. Why? To those who aren't BH - I had little time, and since I've done my best to explain my feelings on what I've seen. Please, if you're going to lynch me, at least demonstrate my scummy motives. This is basically just Marv whining about the fact that there are 5 votes on him and making statements that he could as easily make as scum as town. Interestingly, though he makes the point that there is "no opposition" to his lynch, (when in fact he has only 5 votes) counter wagons on BM and VE are already in the process of forming. On April 22 2012 19:37 marvellosity wrote:
I don't really understand the Claim either. The thread consensus had already arrived at the fact that we weren't going to mass claim vigis.
Why then the need to claim Jailkeeper? Just on the offchance that if scum weren't going to shoot him tonight, they definitely will now? Completely mistimed claim, as he didn't have to 'stop' a massclaim plan at this point.
Bad bad bad This... this post actually makes some goddamn sense. I guess it's the exception that proves the rule. Marv isn't really being helpful here, but if he had actually made a case on VE, this would be a good supporting piece of evidence. On April 23 2012 00:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not a tantrum - just not interested in defending myself further. If anyone wants to listen to reason I can feasibly get down on a scum lynch, but I'm not going to waste any more time defending myself when it's useless.
But you know, continue to be a jerk about it laya...that's about par for the course where you're concerned. Claiming when you did just makes no sense though. It was quite clear gonzaw's plan was not going to be implemented, so the claim was completely unnecessary. You said "scumhunting wins games". Yes, but having blue roles that could prevent Mafia KP is also pretty useful, and discounting that is not sensible. You've also managed to throw suspicion on a lot of people without making a compelling case either way. Meaningless post, but he's interacting with VE, the target of his vote. Overall, these posts don't particular indicate to me that Marv is town, but they don't indicate he's scum either. He's gotten a little better at hiding his uselessness.
So, If you read over this case, plus:
My first case on Marv: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#270
+ Show Spoiler [My first case on Marv] +On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote:Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote:Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:04 marvellosity wrote:On April 21 2012 09:58 Mementoss wrote:
I agree with johnnywup I dont think this is productive or the time to talk about this hypothetical stuff. For all we know there is no vigs or trackers. Ya never know, could be 3 jailkeepers. You can't assume which roles are in the game. What? The vigilante-godfather-miller-weirdthing is the only strange mechanic in the game. Before things get properly rolling is absolutely the right time to talk about its implications. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 10:29 marvellosity wrote:On April 21 2012 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ Actually, a vigi only really clears himself by shooting a GOON. Hitting a GF will result in WIFOM about what happened to his shot (GFs are night-kill immune). Right, so scum could claim their shot was blocked on some random townie and WIFOM it up. Gotcha. So, are there in fact any GOOD circumstances to make a vig shot? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity.
-Blazinghand
My second case on Marv: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=19#377
+ Show Spoiler [My second case on Marv] +On April 22 2012 08:09 BlazingJitsu wrote:Marv is definitely scum. even moreso now that he's posted more scummy scum scum scummitudeHis first post on return: + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 04:02 marvellosity wrote:
Woa, I go away and I rack up the votes. I'm up in my great nation's capital city right now celebrating a close friend's birthday, and yes I am sitting here on my laptop while other people are sitting around chatting and drinking, so I've missed all the excitement.
That said, my one-liners didn't come across overly helpful. I've just read through the last 7 pages of this thread I've missed and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the vigi business. My one-liners were one-liners because I haven't had time to grasp the issue at hand yet. Anyway, I'm going to play around in notepad with this vig business so I can actually take a stance and get back to you in the next few hours.
Meaningless. Worthless excuses. All excuses are always worthless. His so-called contributing post: + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
Alright, my thoughts before dinner.
From reading a few filters, it seems that a couple of people have arrived at the same conclusion as I am about to - whatever merits gonzaw's plan has, it's kinda pointless if it isn't gonna be agreed on by everyone, and by this stage it's clear it's not going to be. I am glad of all the conversation that's been had on the matter, because it means going forwards people will be able to critically analyse flips and night kills, so if nothing else that's a positive to marker.
One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant.
To MidnightGladius (and VE because he will understand due to being involved with me in Newbie VI) and others - regarding my 'meta'. Have a look at my Space Station Mafia filter - also full of one-liners and not a lot useful, where I was townie. This is a product of not really knowing or understanding what was going on. In Newbie VI, my play in the first half was somewhat directionless and scummy, to the point where both dead blues had strong suspicions of me, as did the last remaining townie in lylo. Only in the second half of the game where I had plenty of material to work with (I like filters) did I manage to find the scum and make a convincing case. In Mafia LI, I replaced in for the start of Day 2 - there was already a lot of material to work with.
Rounding off quickly, Matt's case on Paqman - it doesn't seem to have much merit. Reading through the case, I asked myself 'could Paqman have posted all this as town?' - and my answer was yes, it was all perfectly feasibly townie.
I should mostly be available to read questions for most of the evening, so if people would like to quiz me, go ahead. I would quite like not to be lynched before I've even got started. So... this post. This actually doesn't look so bad at first but let's take a quick look at the part where he pushes a scumread, or points out some scummy play, or pressures anyone, or does anything other than summarize things other people have already said and defend himself: NOTHINGThat's right, This post is several paragraphs of cunning worthlessness. You probably read it and were like "hey, Looks like Marv isn't actually scum after all" but that's cause YOU GOT FOOLED. this guy is hussling us. This post doesn't DO ANYTHING TO HELP THE TOWN IN EVEN THE MOST REMOTE FASHION. And it does so on purpose. "how is this possible, BlazingJitsu??" here let me explain for you: + Show Spoiler +Oh wait here let me be more specific: PARAGRAPH ONE Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
Alright, my thoughts before dinner.
From reading a few filters, it seems that a couple of people have arrived at the same conclusion as I am about to - whatever merits gonzaw's plan has, it's kinda pointless if it isn't gonna be agreed on by everyone, and by this stage it's clear it's not going to be. I am glad of all the conversation that's been had on the matter, because it means going forwards people will be able to critically analyse flips and night kills, so if nothing else that's a positive to marker. Worthless summarizing. He pats us on the back though for talking! But really, worthless, patronizing summarizing. PARAGRAPH TWO Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
One thing I didn't like about the whole gonzaw - VE exchange was VE's pretty bad breakdown of gonzaw's plan. It seemed to amount to this - if JK doesn't agree with the plan, then the plan is bad. But... the whole idea of the plan was that everyone agreed to it, so the JK was obviously on board, it was a terrible criticism. Looking further into VE's filter, I didn't see any further substantial objection, and he went forward to accusing gonzaw for his 'scumslip', which was at best minor, and can generally be read as unimportant. He states VE is like vaguely scummy but then says he's actually not, and neither is gonzaw. OH HEY THIS PARAGRAPH LITERALLY SAYS NOTHIGN. THIS PARAGRAPH LITERALLY SAYS NOTHINGPARAGRAPH THREE YOU PUNK ASS MOTHER BONERIZERS Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
To MidnightGladius (and VE because he will understand due to being involved with me in Newbie VI) and others - regarding my 'meta'. Have a look at my Space Station Mafia filter - also full of one-liners and not a lot useful, where I was townie. This is a product of not really knowing or understanding what was going on. In Newbie VI, my play in the first half was somewhat directionless and scummy, to the point where both dead blues had strong suspicions of me, as did the last remaining townie in lylo. Only in the second half of the game where I had plenty of material to work with (I like filters) did I manage to find the scum and make a convincing case. In Mafia LI, I replaced in for the start of Day 2 - there was already a lot of material to work with. This paragraph also says nothing. He is arguing about his own meta. PARAGRAPH FOUR Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
Rounding off quickly, Matt's case on Paqman - it doesn't seem to have much merit. Reading through the case, I asked myself 'could Paqman have posted all this as town?' - and my answer was yes, it was all perfectly feasibly townie.
I should mostly be available to read questions for most of the evening, so if people would like to quiz me, go ahead. I would quite like not to be lynched before I've even got started. THIS PARAGRAPH ALSO SAYS NOTHING. well, he says he might be around this evening or whatever. Marv, despite making two posts, one of which was decent sized, has actually NOT contributed since my original case against him. It just looks like he's contributing if you read his post quickly without thinking. This thing he's done? It's literally what scum would do. Marv is more certainly scum than he has ever been.In my mind, Marv is the scummiest scum scum scum in this game, and it's blantantly obvious to anyone who gives his filter and his recent "contributions" even a cursory analysis. ##STILL VOTING: MARVELLLOSITY![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RIH0y.jpg) ##STILL STILL VOTING: MARVELLLOSITY
-Blazinghand
I account for literally every post Marv's made this game. And I show that he's scummy scum and deserves to die a horrible death.
##still definitely voting the dicks out of: Marv
-Blazinghand
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Jitsu supports the above message.
Seriously, marv should be dead.
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On April 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:
Hey blazing, have you taken a second to think about how you have been looking at marv through red lenses, therefore skewing your viewpoint and coming to unfair conclusions?
Yes. I am entirely objective.
If you have an objection to one of the statements in my case, make it. Pussyfooting around the issue isn't a legitimate objection, it is called "soft defending" and is unhelpful to both myself and Marv.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 04:16 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:45 PaqMan wrote:
Also, this is pure speculation, but what if BM is a GF? We're dismissing him and assuming our vigi (if we even have one) will shoot him.
Gonzaw's case on Risen is bueno. Seeing as I'm the only one who supports a Mattchew lynch, Gonzaw's case is really tempting, more so than the other ones I've read.
I'm gonna follow up on this and switch my vote for Risen.
This is interesting, given that you are Marv's scumbuddy.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 04:19 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 04:05 BlazingJitsu wrote:On April 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:
Hey blazing, have you taken a second to think about how you have been looking at marv through red lenses, therefore skewing your viewpoint and coming to unfair conclusions? Yes. I am entirely objective. If you have an objection to one of the statements in my case, make it. Pussyfooting around the issue isn't a legitimate objection, it is called "soft defending" and is unhelpful to both myself and Marv.
-Blazinghand I know what soft defending is. I have never had a scum read on marv and I don't think his posts have been useless. This is why I think you are seeing his posts through clouded lenses. I think he has done a pretty decent job of showing his thought process and seems relatively open to posting (much more so of recent than in the beginning). I don't see him as having something to hide and I see a lot better candidates for todays lynch. I see you trying too hard and tunneling someone and seeing everything they do as scummy regardless of what it is. This makes you a bad townie imo
I think you're not on the Marv wagon, making you a profoundly unhelpful townie imo. I also think that a hard defense rather than soft defense would have been more appropriation for your initial protection of Marv.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 04:21 MidnightGladius wrote:
Would you care to take a step back and look for other possible scum candidates, or are you going to insist that you're right?
I am right. Also, Paqman is pretty clearly Marv's scumbuddy. When Marv flips GF it'll mean Paq is also scum.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 04:20 marvellosity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 04:04 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote:
The more I think of it, the more I agree and like Gonzaws points on why lynching Risen is better than VE or BM.
VE very well could be JK, his claim doesn't make sense either side. If we don't lynch him and his claim is true, scum will most likely take care of him either tonight or the next night. Maybe by then he can somehow prove his claim. I think its best to wait it out. Worse case by lynching him we take out our own blue. Let mafia waste KP on that.
BM should be vigged if we have a vig, claim the shot before you shoot. If he doesn't die, We know that, either the shooter or BM is GF. Hes lurking and acting scummy, but hard to tell cause he has like 3 posts. Lynching him doesn't tell us anything if hes town, shooting him is the better option.
Also I like gonzaws case on Risen. His posts lack meaning and consistency. He has a hard time to commiting to anything and his emotions are all over the place. Im happy with a Risen lynch over the other two. Risen looks scummy, and the other two cases will hopefully work themselves out with night actions/ VE somehow confirms his claim then gets killed by mafia KP.
##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Risen Show nested quote +If we don't lynch him and his claim is true, scum will most likely take care of him either tonight or the next night. If VE was right about anything it's that he is not a good shot for mafia. Saying let's not lynch this guy that people are willing to lynch because if he is town the mafia will kill him for us is crazy. If VE is town they his a a walking mislynch tying his own noose. Since mafia's greatest threat is the lynch, townies that might get mislynched are townies that the mafia benefit from keep alive. Please come up with a scenario in which this could happen. I can't think of one. no we don't (cough jailkeeper or a liar cough ) Show nested quote + Lynching him doesn't tell us anything if hes town, shooting him is the better option. wtf? who is lynching him for information? point them out so that we can all say that you never lynch for information because that is dumb, you lynch to hit scum. I don't get this "I want us to vig BM not lynch him" the lynch is reliable but a vig shot in a game that might not have vigi's could have multiple Jailkeepers and has 2 bulletproof mafia is not garanteed to get us a flip. People should read and understand this post. I don't understand why people are moving off VE on the basis off potential night-actions that may or may not happen (and which mafia could work out and discuss to their favour). VE so far this game made a ridiculous objection to gonzaw's plan, before fabricating some weird case against gonzaw on the basis of a scum-slip that wasn't even a scum-slip. Then he goes and claims JK on the basis that he needed to stop a plan that wasn't actually happening. Timing-wise it was just ridiculous. I can't understand the motivations for it, and if that was the reason it was a terrible one. From LI I've learnt that I can't find the rational reason, probably there's an underlying scum one. Added to the fact that I've lost count of who VE is happy to lynch and point fingers at. Why are we moving off VE when he's a walking liability to us if he lives?
By far Marv's best and most useful post, almost certainly made in response to my renewed vigour in my case against him. As you can see, he's only willing to post just above whatever bar I set for him in order to appear townie when he is in fact scum.
-Blazinghand.
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On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote:
Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. I'll spoiler it so it isn't atrocious. Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died.
Gonzaw and Mememntoss just aren't very smart, and Paqman is scum trying to hide in an alternative wagon for the day end.
-Blazinghand
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On April 23 2012 04:36 PaqMan wrote:
Oh jebus, you caught me. How about you try throwing down some proof instead of spouting out senseless crap.
You deliberately say nothing about Marv all game except this and this:
On April 21 2012 23:00 PaqMan wrote:
BJ wtf did I just read. The only posts that made any sense was the one about the mass roleclaims and the fos on marvellosity, which I agree on.
I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. On April 21 2012 23:24 PaqMan wrote:
What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum?
What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me??
You basically ignore any discussion about him because you are scum and afraid. You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather".
We're gonna lynch him, he'll flip GF, then we're gonna lynch you.
On April 23 2012 04:36 PaqMan wrote:
lolwut? If I wanted to ride a wagon then I'd be agreeing with all the bullshit capslock you throw at marv. If I was scum I'd leave my vote on Mattchew and wait until D1 ends. But it's obvious that I have no support at all behind my case against so I'm making my vote go to the next best thing, Risen.
Paqman, why you scumslipping? If you were scum, wouldn't you leave your vote on Marv? Or do you actually think he's scum? ._.
Seriously though if you wanted to ride a wagon you'd get on a wagon that's not the lynch wagon and not Marv (who you want to live).
like the one you're on now.
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