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Ottoxlol
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Ottoxlol
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one post, + Show Spoiler + because thst's EXACTLY what they (scum) want. Loved that part, i feel like only scum would have drawn that way, if VE and [UoN]Sentinel can defend themselves I will vote him. | ||
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Ottoxlol
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GFs dont have kp, only Goons have. You haven't read the rules or the thread | ||
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 (i think they had the best cases against them, personally i think marv is not a scum) | ||
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I was going to die N1 anyway - this way we don't waste today wondering if I'm town or not. If you are indeed town and JK, you shouldn't have claimed. | ||
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Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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Ottoxlol
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I accused you and you not even try to defend yourself, are my points that good? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Yeah sure. VE + Show Spoiler + I asked him 3 times about this and no response. + Show Spoiler + After failing to comprehend the plan, he tried this shouting-tunneling on gonzaw, i found it rather amusing. His posts are also very non-constructive. + Show Spoiler + He's playing 1v1 with gonzaw, doesnt care about anyone else. Ok, so you dont agree with the plan, thats allright I did not vote on you yet. And what about my other posts? Those are invisible to you? + Show Spoiler + filter VE, why did u claim? + Show Spoiler + What makes you think scum would kill you n1? Esp if you have the 2nd-3rd most votes first day. If you are indeed town and JK, you shouldn't have claimed. johnys response to this post + Show Spoiler + lol ottox, his reason is perfectly good. he's killed n1 every game as town pretty much + Show Spoiler + Why would scum kill him if he doesnt claim but hes high on the lynch list? johny:Because he's generally regarded as a good player, and scum doesn't want good players with good arguments in the game to give the town the right direction on who is scum. He wasn't really high on the lynch list. My vote: + Show Spoiler + filter He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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Ottoxlol
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How's that tactic working for you? Is this standard? If this is the way to good rep on TL I better start it myself. MY VOTE IS ON SCUM! YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR YOURSELF TOO | ||
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I don't just disagree with your claim, I wrote it down why is it a bad play. You still did not respond He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. | ||
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Why did you claim? If you dont claim there is very little chance youll get killed n1. Thats because in previous games you got killed why would override that you had 2nd highest vote count? On April 21 2012 11:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum start off with an information advantage. Any plan that involves giving information to scum (like, who all the vigs in the game are) is a net loss for town 100% of the time. I'll address your points individually, for ease of comprehension. On April 22 2012 22:56 VisceraEyes wrote: It's true that my reasoning for disliking gonzaw's plan was in part "it gives scum information"...but you'll notice that I'm not a vig. I don't advocate vigs claiming because THEY can kill scum. I can't. I can only jail people either protecting them or keeping them from acting. It's possible that I can stop a NK but I have no idea who would get shot other than myself because I die N1 like all the time. Jailkeeper is not a useless power. Right now it is, but claiming gave scum information and you lost your safe spot. Your main argument is the n1 kill, by not claiming you would have had a much greater chance, Why on earth would the scum kill someone with the 2-3rd votes? On April 22 2012 23:05 Mattchew wrote: If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. | ||
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My case against VE was simple. He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE. The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted. I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl. | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:57 BroodKingEXE wrote: My Scumread: ##Vote: Marvellosity I've found something he has said particularly scummy. He proposes that he has offered more information than said lurkers(Post). The problem I have is that he didn't have anything to say besides unproductive one-liners. The idea that these posts help the town is very wrong. One-liners are a way to make us think that the poster has more stuff than they actually do. Confusing the town is worse than having a null read due to inactivity. We can't do anything about lurkers, at least not this many, lynching a lurker is pretty much a RNG lynch since we have no information to back it. As of now his only response to why he has yet to post a strong case is that he hasn't got any strong reads. This makes sense, but doesn't give him an excuse to not post. He can still look at accusations and comment on those, or he can scum hunt by pointing out mistakes and tunnel on those. To sum up I feel that Marvell is trying to mislead us into thinking he has the right to not post, which is scummy in my eyes. I have to ask for some clarification I don't think you are scum, but first you say his one-liners are worse then lurking but his lack of strong read can explain why he did not post yet then the next sentence you say he should have looked at the accusations and comment on those. He did looking at his filter, even before your vote, he was the vote leader and tried to defend himself, got into the massvigclaim debate, the VE claim+vote debate too. | ||
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I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later | ||
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