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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 01 2012 22:29 GMT
#2021
@BK: Before this game, I viewed VE has a veteran player. I have expectations of veteran players to play good games and to not do stupid things. When I see players that I expect to play games that make sense playing games that don't make sense, I start to wonder about their alignments. Claiming JK with no reason is one of those things. I assumed that VE would know better than to roleclaim at such an inopportune time. Good blues don't claim, so I assumed he was lying. Typically scum lie, so I assumed he was scum.

Because of this incident and his play in Aperture Mafia and TLM LI, I'm going to move him into the insane category, which I'm still trying to figure out how to read. I think, from now on, I'll just lynch him when he's making sense.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#2022
Lol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#2023
So, mattchew, whatchoo think about BM's roleclaim?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#2024
lol jk im green
mattchew is scum for not replying to me claiming vig
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 01 2012 22:33 GMT
#2025
##unvote
##vote: mattchew

late bandwagon change, gogogo
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
May 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#2026
BM is my fav player.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#2027
OTTOXLOL COME JOIN ME ON THIS WAGON
oops caps
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
May 01 2012 22:41 GMT
#2028
Sorry, I cant vote for scum right now. Only town
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
May 01 2012 22:47 GMT
#2029
I will laugh my ass off if BK doesnt vote and flip goon too :D
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 01 2012 22:48 GMT
#2030
Say what you want about BM but he certainly brings entertainment to the thread lol.

Also Ghost's response was very good and he's leaning greener for me.


On May 02 2012 07:41 Ottoxlol wrote:
Sorry, I cant vote for scum right now. Only town


you claiming scum?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 01 2012 22:56 GMT
#2031
Ottoxlol, you make me regret defending you.
If you don't want to grasp at the shrubs hanging on the edge of the cliff, what DO you want to grasp for?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
May 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#2032
You are the only one who did not vote me. I think I played ok, I did not played here before so I guess you people play diff, but all of the votes on me were "hes scummy". I made a case on two people, none of them replied. When I flip green y'all can see how scum manipulates the gullible town into thinking what they want to think. Since most of the people referred to me as scummy they got MG voted when most people thought I was "scummier" -> they would have Lylo if StD doesnt get modkilled, People voting me because pro scums make the thread so hostile, no one can post a thing without getting tunneled, no one cares that we have a goon flip and we had ppl defending him, " I post so scummy so I must die. " Town is very weak in this game in my opinion, we got lucky but I feel like we will loose anyways, Sents claim was very nice for instance (not even talking about his actions..)
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
May 01 2012 23:01 GMT
#2033
On April 25 2012 05:44 ghost_403 wrote:
@MG: I'm open to discussing any and all of my votes. Implying that the entire town is going to mindlessly follow me and kill off an entire day of discussion is disingenuous and wrong. I believe that I have found scum. I am voting to lynch one of them today, and tomorrow I am going to vote to lynch the other. If you think that I'm wrong, prove it. I'm more than willing to listen.


On April 26 2012 01:24 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm going to be out for up to the rest of the day. I'm hoping to get back on before the deadline, but no promises. I think that Ottoxlol has the best chance of flipping scum, so I'm going with that.

##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote ottoxlol


April 25 2012 05:44 and April 26 2012 01:24

These posts show you suspecting and unsuspecting UoN (there is never an accusatory post after this). How many posts are in between these posts?
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 25 2012 18:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Here are the current standings:

Bill Murray - 2 votes
Mattchew
[UoN]Sentinel

Risen - 1 Vote
Paqman

johnnywup - 1 Vote
Ottoxlol

Zephirdd - 2 Vote
johnnywup
Janaan

Ottoxlol - 4 Votes
Mementoss
BlazingJitsu
Risen
Bill Murray
Zephirdd

[UoN]Sentinel - 1 Vote
ghost_403

Ottoxlol is currently to be lynched (and I'll switch back my vote to him if we can agree on it)

One. A vote count, now why the change? Pick any post in this spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +

MG
MG again.
Marv, although annoyed

I see a scum jumping off his top scum read. Due to a mistake in his post. Do you?
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
May 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#2034
Sorry to be a bother, but could you update the OP with Day 3, and Nights 3 and 4?
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 23:06:09
May 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#2035
If the nightpost is late, its cause i'm in a LoL game. It won't be more than 30 minutes late if it is at all.

EDIT: I'll do that when I make tonights Nightpost.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 01 2012 23:06 GMT
#2036
On May 02 2012 05:17 Mattchew wrote:
sent/ghost/paq I would like to hear your reads on people


I really prefer an Ottox lynch today. After him I want to see BM lynched.
But the last scum I'm not too sure who it is. imo it's between Risen/BK/Ghost.

+ Show Spoiler [Risen] +
I was sure Risen was scum for a while, especially after the whole voteswitch ordeal. As someone pointed out by someone else, Ottox was Risen's only strong case & read this whole game, so it makes no sense for him to change his vote during the last minutes. However, Risen started redeeming himself in my eyes, starting with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On April 30 2012 04:04 Risen wrote:
I come back expecting Ottox or me to be gone. Instead town has somehow managed to vote for someone else. Makes perfect sense. Also, LOL at the mafia losing a goon, that's hilarious. Post-game talk is gonna be titled "When Lurking Goes Wrong". Anyways, I had given up but now there's a serious chance we could win. I'll actually post cases shortly before day post (which is at 5PM PST correct?). I've missed so much b/c I pretty much was resigned to posting/voting to avoid modkill, I have a lot to read.

I'm laughing so hard at scum fail right now.


+ Show Spoiler [BK] +

IDK what to really make of BK.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2012 13:26 BroodKingEXE wrote:
First on Risen:
Beginning of the game is fine to me acts pretty town. Then he gets caught in a lie and proceeds to be a dick about it. Then he has the vote switch. Now he is lurking, and making excuses. The problem I have with voting for him is that his latest posts look more townie, he's being honestly productive. The main case against him (gonzaw's, although townie) is shaky, and has painted him as scum. The vote switch is suspicious, but fits with his posting tone afterwards. Considering he made he the first case against Ottoxlol (he was ninja'ed by paq i'd call it a tie for first) it doesn't really fit in terms of both of them being scum. Conclusion: town

Next on Ottolxlol:
He starts off with shaky cases and proceeds to start to go after everyone. Funny that he was digging in so hard on VE, but pretty easily goes for BJ in the end. His pages 3 1/2 - 6 provide little reasoning, and are mostly response to others posts and reiterations of his own posts. Page 7 sees a transition into a bit more reasoned posts. I think that they have a towny vibe though, but the action of posting that many one-liners could be consdired scummy. He hasn't been posting very much about his actually reads, which makes me think he is a null-red read.

At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read.


I don't like that last part. The lynch was between MG and Ottox, and he completely avoided taking a side by wasting his vote on BM.


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2012 04:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Can someone point out to me why all this suspicion about Ottoxlol? I'm having trouble finding any big cases against him. His earlier posts look fine to me.


On April 30 2012 23:08 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Looked over Ottox's filter(again) and it just looks more and more scummy. I can't see a newbie posting like this at all and even then I don't support newbies hiding behind that fact. The case against ghost is a shaky case at best. I'm down with voting for him.
##Vote: Ottoxlol


This change of heart also bothers me.


I can't get a good read on BK. I don't see what connects him with scum but I don't have a good gut-feeling on him. He's a possible lynch after BM.


+ Show Spoiler [Ghost] +

After reading through johnny's case against Ghost, it sounded good. But after reading through it a few more times, johnny's points against Ghost aren't very good.

On May 01 2012 10:57 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.

I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".

VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.


I've said I think BM is scum. So this stuff makes perfect sense. Soft defending his scum mate, and attacking townies (who we now know are indeed townies)


As you can see on the date of Ghost's post (Apr. 23), the game had just recently started. I can agree that lynching a lurker when the game just started isn't that great of an idea.

I don't see much else that incriminates Ghost as scummy. I'd prefer him last out of Risen and BK.


After lynching Ottox and BM I can see it coming down to them. However, the possibility of the last remaining scum should not be limited to these three. As the days go on more interesting events will happen and we all need to keep an eye on each other. No one is guaranteed Town.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 01 2012 23:08 GMT
#2037
Except for Sentinel, seeing as no one counter-claimed, lol..
t(ツ)t
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 01 2012 23:13 GMT
#2038
Well, BM "counter claimed" with vig then was like nvm im green. So I don't count that.

Ok, why don't we just lynch BM, if you think BM is scum too? Why does ottox have to be today? We have 50 minutes left and I think we can change the lynch to BM in that time. I don't like how many votes are on ottox despite me thinking he's scum, like I said, which makes me like a BM lynch more. I get that we'll still be talking about ottox tomorrow but he's not a goon so even if we do lynch him we're at the same place tomorrow. (-1 townie, -1scum, unless Sentinel JK's correctly, but he'll most likely be killed anyways). If we lynch the Goon we're in a good position. If we lynch the GF we're in about the same position.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 01 2012 23:16 GMT
#2039
btw this bothers me because Janaan hasn't voted yet :x

On May 02 2012 00:50 Janaan wrote:
At this point, I still think we probably need to deal with Ottox. We do know that he isn't the goon, but we don't have conclusive evidence of who IS the goon either. I'll be voting for Ottox today.





And BKEXE is just waiting around to vote at last minute (he's still here, he just posted, but hasn't voted)
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 01 2012 23:16 GMT
#2040
On May 02 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote:
Well, BM "counter claimed" with vig then was like nvm im green. So I don't count that.

Ok, why don't we just lynch BM, if you think BM is scum too? Why does ottox have to be today? We have 50 minutes left and I think we can change the lynch to BM in that time. I don't like how many votes are on ottox despite me thinking he's scum, like I said, which makes me like a BM lynch more. I get that we'll still be talking about ottox tomorrow but he's not a goon so even if we do lynch him we're at the same place tomorrow. (-1 townie, -1scum, unless Sentinel JK's correctly, but he'll most likely be killed anyways). If we lynch the Goon we're in a good position. If we lynch the GF we're in about the same position.


I really don't feel comfortable switching my vote off Ottox AGAIN and letting him slip past a lynch for 3 days in a row.
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