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I like how the discussion finally has started slow but steady. But I feel we need more people to vote. Atm I think that only 5 or 6 has thrown out their votes. Obviously you can always change your vote later on, but I think it's nice to see where we stand right at the moment. This is good for at least two reasons that I can think of:
1) People obtaining a couple of votes will start to get pressured which is good for several reasons. They might have to reveal some usefull info or AT LEAST stop to lurk. There is also a slight chance that the person who obtains votes will be a mafia, in which case some of his scum-bros might have to show their true colour in one or another way.
2) We prevent the last-minute-voteswitch. It would usually be a good idea for the scum to keep their votes as long as possible. People swaping their vote very late should have an insanly good reason to do so, or they will truly scummy as hell. If alot of people keep their votes very long. the mafia will have an easier time to blend in.
@Solohan - I'm not sure wether He is just noob or scum. Obviously we are all very new to the game so that could be an explanation for his play. But he hasn't contributed at all yet, only talking about the very hypothetical no lynch and agreeing with that lynching a lurker. Both thoose subjects had already been said at that point, more than once even. This is obviously a very suspicious move. We really need to see his response.
@Macheji, oneplus, maybe someone I missed - we really need you guys to post. Preferably sooner than later.
I'm going to to some stuffs now + sleep so it will be about 12h untill my next post. It's about 17h to lynchtime, unless I'm misstaken, so I hope we are closer some form of conclusion by the time that I check this thread again.
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I know the 'no lynch' option has received a fair amount of attention, but I would like to add my opinion to the matter.
If a no lynch is even possible I don't think it is a terrible outcome, in most of the past Newbie games I have flicked through I notice that it tends to be a townie who is lynched first, and the overall odds support the same occuring more commonly than a Mafia getting lynched.
A no lynch would give us an additional 24 hours with the full contingent of players to add posts and help us all form a more well-rounded view of each player, then after the Mafia night kill we would be down to 8 townies. I would prefer this than to be down to 7 due to a mislynch on Day1.
However, there are down-sides to a no-lynch. A few people have mentioned that you get a lack of information, you don't get a flip, but you still do have the people's votes to review and you can examine their logic and reasoning behind why they put their votes where they did. But it may not necessarily mean as much without a flip.
##Vote: Macheji
For now I am going to put my vote on Macheji, he has contributed 3 posts, 2 which are essentially the same and the 3rd is questioning the logic behind 'pressure voting'. Each of the 3 posts are roughly 1 sentence each, I know we want people to be clear and concise, but you really need to make an effort to add more to your posts.
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So wheres the opinion? You dont want a mislynch, obviously, you dont think no lynch is a terrible outcome, theres downsides to it...
Where do you stand? posting some stuff that pretty much says a lot about nothing, especially when you cant even read what the thoughts are is a good way to not be transparent.
Step it up.
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@ Nova
Fair enough. To clarify, I would prefer to No Lynch if that is an available option, and would change my vote off Macheji if that were to become an option.
Where do you stand on the issue out of curiousity? Initially you indicated that you would be happy to lynch a lurker, I assume that is still what you are planning to do. If a no lynch was an option where do you stand?
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@Therapist regarding + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2012 04:27 Therapist. wrote:
I don't have too many specific thoughts so far. I've just been thinking about the no-lynch stuff for the first time and have been happy to get peoples' opinions on it. Perhaps that input itself can be put to use later on, which is why I have said I would like to hear others' opinions on the matter.
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@Lorant
I notice you haven't thrown your vote anywhere yet, do you have any candidates in mind at this stage?
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I don't actually, but if by tomorrow morning there are still people who discuss stuff that is easy for scum to mindlessly participate in I'll find me a lurker and stick with the vote.
I think it's about time for Nova to divulge what he finds so scummy concerning solohans' first post. We don't seem to be on the same wavelength because I have no idea what he's talking about; and scum is not going to make an objective analysis on himself for you, just because you say you think he's scum so there's no point in waiting for a reaction before you act. I-know-what-you-did-last-summer mindgames aren't likely to induce anything.
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I wanna see more from Macheji and oneplus. Oneplus hasn’t replied to me, so:
##Vote: oneplus
We lost too much time and space arguing about lynch vs no-lynch already. We have to lynch, and that’s it. Enough about policy, now let’s look at people.
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Specifically, the people who sided for a no-lynch, or 'not against'.
On therapist: His stance seems to me like an overreaction to last game, but at least there was a developed thought process behind it. Needs to let go of policy discussion and contribute on analyzing people now, though.
On oneplus: Asked for a no-lynch in his one and only post, and he’s inactive as well... Can’t read more into him until he posts again.
On Solohan: Was already enquiring about the possibility of a no-lynch before he knew his role, so I’m inclined to say he actually thinks no-lynch is a move a town should consider seriously, which makes him... bad.
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On Daymor: In chronological order...
It seems I agree with the majority in terms of accepting a lynch on a lurker.
A little precision right after, nothing wrong with it:
(...) acceptance of a lurker lynch of obviously conditioned on the fact that there are no other suspects out there.
No-lynch is talked about a bunch, he seems to think it would be ok:
If a no lynch is even possible I don't think it is a terrible outcome (…)
And then, he ‘clarifies’ and no-lynch goes from ok to good:
To clarify, I would prefer to No Lynch if that is an available option, (…)
Now that’s more interesting. This guy’s opinion managed to go from “lurker lynch” to “no-lynch ok” to “no-lynch preferable”. That’s the wrong direction for a townie entirely.
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@ BlueyD
I did change my stance along the way there, that much is evident. Initially I did not really consider no lynch as an option. Most games where a no lynch is allowed they typically state such in the rules. I know I saw a game which had that noted in the rules, for example this game.
+ Show Spoiler +Voting rules: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain. If a no Lynch is reached, everyone must still have casted a vote (you can vote for ##Vote: No-Lynch)
I don't see what's wrong with wanting some more activity and posting from people before forming such an important decision. I still stand by what I said. If a no lynch is an option it is the option I would prefer. In the alternative a lurker would be acceptable assuming we can't find a suitable suspect.
I would also like to add, that although the discussion regarding lynch v no lynch may not mean anything if indeed you cannot vote for a no lynch. It does however provide the opportunity for people to comment and add their perspective as to what they feel about the policy. This provides us with information which we can analyse nd to help show the motivation and logic behind their arguements. So it is far from fruitless.
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Sorry guys i was busy, finally i am able to catch up the thread.
Well I am the first one to come out with the no lynch idea, let me explain abit about this. It would be a bit suspicious about me to come out with this but no lynch it's not no pressure for the scums we could see some potential scums coming out and want to lynch some townie in day 1 or he might be happy for no lynch in day 1 and try to go for a no lynch since they will be able to kill at night. From here we might get some information hence no lynch doesn't mean no information at all and it is bad.
##VOTE : No lynch
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Ohh sorry again, we have to make it clear is no lynch an option in this setup so anyone to make this clear?
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Can we please get clarification on whether No Lynch is an option?
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I'm starting to like a few of you less then Macheji and hes lurking 
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@ The RavensName
I will assume that is in regards to the no lynch issues? If so tell us what about the no lynch you don't like? I know you only replaced in recently, but you haven't really contributed except for a hello post and a couple of one-liners.
If it is not in regards to the no lynch, who are you liking less and why?
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I do not think that no lynch would be beneficial, for the reasons i explained earlier. It gives us voting patterns, arguments, sets an example for the future, as well as a possible lurker kill if done correctly. Correctly meaning hitting a lurker who isnt a total non poster but someone who makes posts with nothing in them like Macheji.
Once again, i want to see what solohan thinks regarding his own first post before I note what i find scummy.
BlueyD brought up a good point on Daymor; I will bear this in mind.
Also oneplus' amount of apology is scummy
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@ Nova
I have reviewed Solohan's first couple of posts a couple times, and I honestly don't find anything nearly as much of an eyebrow raiser as what you mentioned in your first post. So I must say I am quite keen to see what you have picked up that I have missed.
In reference to what I find strange about your first post is simply;
On April 14 2012 23:02 Nova_Terra wrote:
Okay, thank god, not mafia :D
I want to point something out. Note how both The Leader of the Town and Jitsu The Mafia Specialist died? Thats what we want here. Take someone down with you if you are a townie. Dont die in vain, at least post your thoughts first.
I have the utmost confidence in our abilities as a town together to kill the mafia. BUT, until we get the town together, we will suck. So play a team game. Dont decide *SCREW EVERYONE ELSE, i understand exactly whats happening."
So lets get this started.
I don't really know who you are trying to convince with that statement. In my opinion you are doing enough for the town for me to believe you are more likely town than Mafia. I like your activity and the pressure voting you applied early to try and spark some activity.
So I just don't understand why you said that. Judging by your posting it's not like you needed too. Just some food for thought.
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I said that because ive been mafia the past two games and i didnt feel like dealing with the stress this time around.
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Morning everyone!
So I wake up, read the thread and tbh I'm quite dissapointed in the progress made during the night. We are getting nowhere atm. We really need to stop discuss the possibility of no lynches.
I would also like to add, that although the discussion regarding lynch v no lynch may not mean anything if indeed you cannot vote for a no lynch. It does however provide the opportunity for people to comment and add their perspective as to what they feel about the policy. This provides us with information which we can analyse nd to help show the motivation and logic behind their arguements. So it is far from fruitless.
I agree with you, but this would only occur if everyone had posted really good opinions and cases. We aren't even close to that point right now. The following effects of a no lynch atm would probebly be something in line with:
1. Noone is lynched
2. Mafia most likely get a kill since there is such a small chance that the roleblocker/jailer would hit the right target due to little information.
3. The killed target townie and is a lurker/person who only posted that no lynch is a good opinion.
4. No info is have been archived.
On April 16 2012 11:16 oneplus wrote:
Sorry guys i was busy, finally i am able to catch up the thread.
Well I am the first one to come out with the no lynch idea, let me explain abit about this. It would be a bit suspicious about me to come out with this but no lynch it's not no pressure for the scums we could see some potential scums coming out and want to lynch some townie in day 1 or he might be happy for no lynch in day 1 and try to go for a no lynch since they will be able to kill at night. From here we might get some information hence no lynch doesn't mean no information at all and it is bad.
##VOTE : No lynch
I'm not sure if noob or scum, but This has been said over 9000 times in this thread. Please post something new...
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Yes if no lynch occurs probably mafia get to kill 1 at night, but if we lynch a townie mean mafia got to kill 2 ? at the start of day 2. Since most of you guys already knew that a random lynch in day 1 will probably lynch a town yet u guys are still going for it, sound scummy isn't it?
I want to clarify no lynch doesnt mean we archive nothing in day 1. I just don't want you guys fall into the scummy trap to lynch a townie in day 1 since this is the newbie game lurker might just be a townie who don't really know how to play and express himself.
Lazermonkey and nova sound scummy for me
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##Vote: Crossfire99
This suspicion on Crossfire is mainly coming from my gut but here are a couple of logical reasons to vote for him:
4 posts. 3 and 7/8 of which are about the no-lynch policy while the remaining 1/8 of the last post is sheeping Nova and calling solohan suspicious without any of you two providing reasons (Nova refused yet again to manifest - well at this point I want him to stall some more, and let's hear why Crossfire thinks solo is suspicious first)
If you can add a single valid argument about solo being scummy I will drop my vote. Note that the fact that he supports a no-lynch isn't good enough, it's null imo.
Writing GL HF + Show Spoiler +On April 15 2012 06:43 Crossfire99 wrote:
I agree with lynching a lurker day 1, but only if there is really no info on scum. We should try to lynch a scum if at all possible.
P.S. GL HF
+ Show Spoiler +Decent scum always get caught first.
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