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I have to say, I kind of agree with Pure-SC2.
However, this early in the game I am more willing to let it slide simply because I understand your intentions, they are simply to get people involved in the discussion etc.
After the first couple of days I am less willing to treat this in a similar manner, simply because I don't think it really serves a purpose to encourage people to spam up the thread. This would only serve to muddy the waters etc.
Clearly there is a balancing act involved, we want to encourage activity but not meaningless spam. People need to post, however I would prefer they be clear and concise and actually contribute to the discussion.
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And the reason you feel you need to honor this behavior with a lurker post of your own is.. ? No one managed to break the ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/usericons/Z3.gif) barrier yet but that's A ok as long as we keep scores, note checkpoints of development. I suggest everyone keeps a journal of some sort, aiming to capture the essence of our interaction, always driven by the curiosity to make out the motive behind every post in order to detect slips. Like Therapist said, and I can agree wholeheartedly, it's a good place to start improving.
Also, a journal can keep you creative and occupied in times of a deserted thread, augmenting the gameplay imo. I'll start mine tomorrow and maybe at the end of the game, if it's not too shabby, I'll make it public.
Good Night y'all.
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Hi guys I just got to online so this would be my first post after the game commenced, if my english is not good enough hope you guys can bared with me.
First, there are 12 of us here with 3 of them are mafias if a random lynch occurs it is more likely to happen on a townie since there is only a chance of 25% we will get the correct lynch on maf. If there is nothing suspicious around I would like to vote for a no lynch in the day 1.
Also, it would be nice if someone could stand out and be a leader among us and make some decision since we have to trust someone in the end of the day.
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I disagree with the idea of a no lynch day 1. I agree that we most likely won't get a mafia, but that doesn't mean a mislynch is entirely bad. If there isn't a lynch day 1, no one takes a stand on the lynch, and we don't learn much because there is no discussion of who to lynch. This also means that the power roles will be at a disadvantage because their choices for their night 1 actions will be mostly random due to the lack of information. With a lynch, everyone has to take a side, so even if this only provides a small amount of information, it is information the power roles can use to narrow down the targets of their actions.
Basically, I think we must lynch someone day 1.
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Are No Lynches even allowed in this game? If they're not, it's a bit of a moot point.
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On Nova's voting behavior: Nova played in my previous 2 games so he saw what happened there: First wave of D1 votes came in late, we had very little time to do post-voting analysis, and the resulting situation was chaotic. The intention here is probably just to try and put on 'real' pressure on lurkers earlier so the latter parts of the day is cleaner. A bit spammy but not a scummy move.
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To oneplus: Just 2 questions aimed at you to show you why 1. saying no-lynch is bad, and 2. having a leader is very bad.
1. How do we pressure scum D1 if we agree to no-lynch?
2. What if the ‘town leader’ who makes the decisions for you is actually scum?
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era was very active last game, though more in terms of quantity than in terms of quality. Haven’t seen him post since the start of this game yet, though, so my first vote goes to him.
##Vote:era
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Morning EU-budds!
People really need to start posting now, it's been almost 24 h since the day post came up, and we still only got ~2 pages of posts during that time.
era was very active last game, though more in terms of quantity than in terms of quality. Haven’t seen him post since the start of this game yet, though, so my first vote goes to him.
##Vote:era
I think it's a decent idea to start pressuring era now, however if he doesn't show up at all I guess he will be replaced anyway. Therefore we don't need to care to much about it as of now.
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@oneplus and @Crossfire - A lynch on day 1 is mandatory, and voting is mandatory. If you read the earlier pages, most have agreed with the lurker lynch day 1 approach if no scum reads have been made.
@BlueyD - As it's been 24 hours with no post yet, I agree with your vote on era.
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@era - What do you think of Nova's posts so far?
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Although i agree that i havent contributed much, i have actually contributed more than most of the people here!
I have expressed my opinion on voting day 1 clearly without useless fluff
I have expressed my opinion on fluff posters
I have pressured lurkers
I have pressured said fluff posters
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Also I find Solohan50s first post to be scummy.
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EBWOP: Same with His second post which pretty much is in the middle of the discussion and just asks a question instead od adding to said discussion
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I agree with you(Nova) on Solohan, but I think it will be hard de determ whether that is due to him being town and expressing himself the right way or if he is actuall scum.
I also think that it is time for Macheji to step up a bit more. He has posted 4 posts so far, but all of them have been very short and havn't added anything useful yet.
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Some interesting points raised regarding Solohan.
I do think it's odd that he wouldn't have read the rules (it's clearly stated on the front page). I'd like to see him add more to his very short filter.
@Solohan - how do you respond to Nova reading your first post to be scummy?
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On April 15 2012 18:19 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Some interesting points raised regarding Solohan.
I do think it's odd that he wouldn't have read the rules (it's clearly stated on the front page). I'd like to see him add more to his very short filter.
@Solohan - how do you respond to Nova reading your first post to be scummy?
Actually, to me, the rules don't say anything about No Lynches. They do say that voting is mandatory and that you may not abstain, but (in my mind, at least) voting for a No Lynch is not abstaining. Abstaining would be not voting at all, which is far different from voting for a No Lynch. Before the game, I thought that since No Lynch wasn't explicitly stated, that means it wasn't allowed, hence my pre-game post to Crossfire99. After I noticed people talking about No Lynches once the game had started, I became unsure of whether it was allowed or not. Honestly, I'm still not sure if No Lynches are allowed or not. If they're not, then all of discussion about them is a moot point right now and just clogs up the thread.
As for my first post of the game, I don't know why Nova would think it's scummy. He doesn't really raise any points for me to counter, he just says "It's scummy". My analysis is based on the Mafia guide that I've been reading which says that lynching Town members generally doesn't give much information. This would be doubly true if we lynch a lurker who hasn't said much, because there's no information about that person. The whole point of the post was to encourage people to post more, so we can avoid having to lynch a lurker. In my eyes, unless we get lucky and the lurker is Mafia, we benefit very little and we're down one more player.
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Very little activity, and so many lurkers is giving the mafia an easy ride so far. We need everyone posting so there is more material out there for us to work with.
Those that have posted and contributed very little so far, and who really need to add something asap in order to not fall under suspicion:
Macheji
Therapist.
oneplus
And, era. Era still hasn't posted, and is looking likely to be modkilled/replaced at this stage. I'll see if there is anything from him later in the day, and if not will remove my vote on him as no point wasting a vote on someone who is going to be modkilled.
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Solohan50 - The thing is that getting a mafiakill on the first day is really hard unless they royally screw up, which we really shouldn't count on even if this a noob game. In most cases it is better to lynch a person acting strange to at least get some usefull information on why they were acting that way.If he flips townie/blue you could also start to question thoose who wanted to lynch him and their motives.
But so far this discussion has been very light and therefore the information given would be very small. If this continues we might be forced into lynch a lurker, which will basically have a very little chance of successand will get zero info.
As for no lynches I have no idea whether that is possible or not, but even if it is we are just buying time for the scum to score some free kills. Thus it might even be better to make a misslynch and get some info, instead of lynching noone. Tho atm I really doubt that will be the case(gaining info, that is).
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Good morning again all. Sorry I was out all Saturday. I actually like the heavy posting coming from Nova so far. Our last day one had barely any activity whatsoever then we had a mislynch day one, so I am in agreement with anything that gets people to post more. Still, information is likely to be thin but at least it gets the conversation going.
The idea of a no lynch day one is interesting. In my first games, I would've been against the idea immediately. But after two games of lynching a townie immediately with no information... even almost lynching a blue and forcing him to roleclaim day one, a no-lynch day one seems more reasonable. We're very unlikely to have any real information, and a no lynch ensures that only one townie dies day one and the blues get a chance to do their thing without randomly getting lynched and we can get some information going for the next day. I'd be willing to do a no-lynch day one this time around.
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TheRavensName is replacing era
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@Therapist and solohan50 - I really think that's a bad/scummy way of looking at the no lynch. Even if we end up lynching a townie we will at least obtain a bit info. If we instead end up no lynching we will still know nothing and the mafia will most likely proceed to kill a lurker. So basically we are back at square 1 then except the mafia is one person close to victory. If anthing, the no lynch should be the last resort if we really fuck up and doesn't get anything done.
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