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On April 19 2012 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote: You must be scum then. *shrug*
so you're saying the first person to support sandroba ever in this game and has been in communication with him and GM since the game started about reads is scum? sigh, facepalm
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Yes, F5 apparently doesn't return me to the top of the page. My bad.
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On April 19 2012 11:54 chaoser wrote:so you're saying the first person to support sandroba ever in this game and has been in communication with him and GM since the game started about reads is scum? sigh, facepalm
You said you hate me. Only scum hate me when I'm town. Vis a vis, you must be scum.
This is pretty basic logic, all things considered.
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Meh, posting a PM convo with Sandroba so people have something to read in an otherwise boring thread. A bit of info has been edited out.
I offered to have him filter DT hits through me to support my town claim to him. I would obviously do this, since failure would look scummy, intel would get out to all, DT would be safe, and only one at risk would be a vanilla townie{me}. Seemed good to me, simple yet effective way to contribute.
He rejected my idea. I asked him in thread to post some info. He refused again, but erased any hint of a doubt that he was scum via the jackal kill.
Original Message From michaelthe: Ok, apparently you just want to only have a few people inside of you loop, but are confirmed town.
Original Message From sandroba: Man, it's not wise for me to derail the thread discussion into stuff that does not find scum, that's why I was not responding to your inquiries in thread. It's not that I'm purposely leaving you out of the loop, I'm just protecting the info I have for the sake of town. It would be a really bad idea to claim to me if I just spilled it off at the first sign of pressure right?
I appreciate you trying to help out and I know it's hard to trust people, so I understand where you were coming from.
Original Message From michaelthe: Show nested quote +It's not that I'm purposely leaving you out of the loop, I'm just protecting the info I have for the sake of town. You literally say you aren't keeping me out of the loop, then describe keeping me out of the loop, in the same sentence. I play to win, but I have zero incentive to be active in thread. Why spend a few hours making a case when you simply come in during the last 12 hours and say "I've found a inconsistency, vote Jackal" and everyone does it.
Original Message From sandroba: What would you suggest me to do? I can't share my info with you based on hoping you are town. Sorry if you think the game is not interesting, but I'm doing my best to win, and whatever lack of activity in the thread is not my fault really.
About leaving it all to me, well it's not that easy unfortunately. All I have is information, and while that netted us one scum, the others still have to be found out. It would be great if you could keep on posting and trying to find scum based on the thread and keep it active. In the end behavior analysis is really the most effective weapon.
You should reread the thread with this new perspective (jackal + l10f scum, me + gm + * town) and try to figure out who is likely to be scum. I'm doing the same here, but I have like 20 people pming me constantly, so I really could use some help.
I just actually read that last line: try to figure out who is likely to be scum.... I really could use some help.
If our new overlord masters want help, give the entire thread all of the intel you have. Sure, maybe edit out one or two things that could be very harmful as soon as a scum knows it, but overall, I'm not going to waste 2 hours scum hunting just to have the above happen: On April 19 2012 11:40 chaoser wrote: negative, kurumi is probably not mafia
2cents.
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On my phone but I'll briefly add that it makes approximately zero sense for a scum Kurumi to give me the item that he did or for him to even have it on day 1.
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In addition you'll see as I already pointed out earlier that l10f mentions receiving a pm from Kurumi but not answering it in his Convo w acrofales. It would have to be a very subtle play by scum to fake like that.
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On April 19 2012 12:06 talismania wrote: On my phone but I'll briefly add that it makes approximately zero sense for a scum Kurumi to give me the item that he did or for him to even have it on day 1.
Do you know that the item worked?
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thanks tali lol, now can we please lynch sinani?
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20 players left
17 town 3 mafia
I think this is a correct count
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On April 19 2012 11:35 MrZentor wrote:Kurumi spreads doubt about if Sand is town. Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:52 risk.nuke wrote:On April 13 2012 22:48 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:46 risk.nuke wrote:On April 13 2012 22:45 Kurumi wrote:On April 13 2012 22:37 Coagulation wrote: I say we shoot page 13 out the airlock. Sandroba is scum and Ace is town, opinions? wanna lay down some reasons way or just gonna shout shit? I too can shout shit. Uh, what? I am clearly missing something there. You're defending sandroba? I'm asking you why you think the way you do? You do have reasons right. So do the pro-town thing and share them. I'm interested. I find it amusing that I asked Coag and You're the person to respond. 1st People want to lynch Ace for no reason. (some say it's a joke-gone-real) 2nd He actually says something related and helpful to the game. 3rd Sandroba has gone the same way like he did in his scum games. Say skype publicly and try to mess in the pm land. He wanted me to claim to him because he somehow knows a mechanics present in the game giving him possibility to break it. Bullshit. His excuse for voting Jackal as captain is that he wants somebody against Sand. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:49 Kurumi wrote: As for now Jackal's my vote. I'll vote for whoever is against sandroba. Talismania, You might need a shovel. He defends l10f. Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 22:27 Kurumi wrote:Remember this post? On April 14 2012 19:47 layabout wrote:On April 14 2012 19:26 froggynoddy wrote:On April 14 2012 09:13 layabout wrote:Having spent a rare day away from the computer due to frequent and annoying _____* I have had barely any time to read the thread. after a quick skim and a PM with sandro Part of me wants to vote GM for being a gentleman, and i would like to know if he intends to explain what he plans to do, and why he should be mayor. Will he try to enforce rules of proper conduct for instance? Will he lynch Kurumi who clearly does not care about catching scum? The rest of me wants to vote for sandro. If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default. Is anybody else wondering why a town WBG would do this? + Show Spoiler [*] +I am not sure what the term is but i do know that all the lights dim and my PC turns itself off I'm really sorry if I'm being obtuse but can you explain to me the logic in your town read here? Which town read? Also for somebody that seems to value transparency l10f has shared very little. That's finger pointing. You've done this twice. To me and l10f. There's no contradiction in my post. Nobody asked You why You were away. Nobody cared. Then, why the hell would You post that You were busy? My early-game posts are early-game posts. Don't expect them to be too good. That goes for pretty much everybody. You can't have a fully fleshed out case 10 hours into the game, come on. The days are 48h for a reason (besides timezones) You posted a post full of fluff and I called You out on it. You also tried to lower opinion of GMarsh and make look sandroba better, my question is: WHY? You weren't so "confident" about sandroba then. You're lying. You don't even know what You've thought some time ago, but that's cool. When I am scum I have the same problems. Then I just usually lurk or just post a lot without attacking anybody, because it's easy! You support some shady D1 all-claim-to-one-guy plan with no reasoning. You just think sandroba is Town because he cares. I WOULD CARE TOO IF PEOPLE STARTED CLAIMING TO ME DAY ONE LOL Ace's looking Town because he's making all the good observations so far. Sandroba is scum because no town would try to get all the claims day 1 for no reason for the sake of "confirming them by a broken mechanic" Also, did You know I am Obama himself? Trust me, that's as true as Sandroba's intentions! He doesn't want responsibility for the Zentor bandwagon, because he knows it will end in a mislynched townie. Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 07:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 17 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Ouch that's gotta sting Zentor - Kurumi nice catch.
Who are your partners Zentor? Not mine. Layabout's. He defends Jackal hard. Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:59 Kurumi wrote: Its five not two. Anyway, the item name inconsistency might be solved by host trying to save the setup from being broken. Also guys. Lets go with the words of another confirmed town Ace. We should not lynch active players. I agree with Jackal that pm games tend to suck because people post a lot less in the thread and many vets say that town tends to rely too much on blues and confirming people. Remember , the flip confirms someone. I am against Jackal lynch fully. I am more than happy to lynch someone scummy lurking. As for Zentor my gut still says town but the things shown are at least weird . Although I have hard time reading the thread because I dont sleep much or well at all so I get tired fast and am really weak after school. About Node : check his pregame posts. Check his in game posts. Did he just get lazy? On phone so cant quote. Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 06:22 Kurumi wrote:On April 18 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote: How is jackal active? He doesn't scumhunt, have basicly no scumreads and as far as I know he haven't talked to anyone exept for gm and sandroba in pm's.
1. Kurumi do you think we should kill all the lurking newbies who is likely town before we start scumhunting? 2. And how is jackals filter better then theirs? It is Jackal damnit. I dont say Jackal has done excellent scumhunting so far because he had done little to none, but I dont see how killing a guy who is around benefits us when we have people like Node talking how good town they want to play this game and the game starts and he goes lurky as hell. Sinani has meta of being lurky, just like damn Kenpachi and we cant do much. There are people who certainly know how to play but are lurking. Wbg is not as active as usual too. The item thing looks indeed pretty strong , although unless sandroba himself does not posses such an item then he cant be sure who is lying(if someone is) I just think we are at a similar situation like with Ace. We might be pulling the trigger too quickly. Jackal, have You lied to sandroba about Your item? Kurumi votes for Jackal as Captain first. The bandwagon doesn't pick up, so he wastes his vote for Talismania. He also votes for me as a lynch and never switches to the alien overlord. In summary, he defends two people we know are scum, l10f and Jackal; attacks somebody who we know to be pro town, sandroba, and tries to start a bandwagon lynch against me without taking responsibility!! I'm wondering why nobody has seen this yet. Just sayin'. All this and no vote. What gives?
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I can see Kurumi just being wrong about Jackal rather than knowingly defending him...
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On April 19 2012 13:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I can see Kurumi just being wrong about Jackal rather than knowingly defending him...
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No shit but where's your case on me?
Hi people, I'm back.
Also, what the fuck is this bandwagon.
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well i guess only three votes so far but its pretty early in the day
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Apparently sandroba thought you're the best lynch. Last time I conceded my lynch preference for sandroba's, we lynched scum.
*shrug*
Math dude.
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I guess logic is a form of math, but just because he was right once doesn't mean he'll be right every time. Also, I'm green.
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Vayesh thinks sinani has issues with math. Sandroba was right three times and wrong once.
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So I still haven't seen anything that's persuaded me that Zentor isn't scum.
His response to my case on him re: the captaincy was terrible, and he didn't respond at all to my or any case on him yesterday.
At the end of the last day he was the number one lynch target. I think his sudden turn towards actual scum hunting is just an attempt to get us off his back.
That said, his case on Kurumi is pretty good.
Kurumi defended not one, but two players who later flipped scum - Jackal and l10f. That's two for two.
I say we lynch Kurumi. If he flips scum, I'll eat my words and Zentor will be confirmed. On the other hand, if he flips town, then Zentor is still my best scum read and should be our next priority.
It also seems like there's a lot of momentum towards a Sinani lynch. However, I'd like to see someone lay out the case against him a bit more explicitly than it has been. As it stands right now, the most persuasive cases I've read in the thread have been against Kurumi and MrZentor.
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Vayesh believes strongandbig just claimed to be an alien. Thoughts?
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