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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#802
I think it's more likely that the single exchange via pm and response was what he meant by "a bit"

This all but confirms WBG and kurumi as town in my eyes.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 17 2012 05:24 GMT
#803
Also, I was just clicking through the filters and noticed that the number of aliens left listed in the OP is no longer X/Y. It is now 5/6. Dunno if I was just the only one to miss that but this is obviously important information.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 17 2012 15:38 GMT
#830
Ok. There are five people in this game who are scum. There are twenty who aren't.

Here are the players from which I believe the scum team comes:

MrZentor - A few reasons to think this as have been posted.

One, as brought up by layabout via kurumi of course is the entanglement with l10f. l10f is bad at playing scum. The simplest explanation for his behavior is that he was trying to protect his scumbuddy when he saw someone attack him.

Two is that his demeanor has changed over the course of the game. He started out with his bid for captaincy, ever since it fizzled and people started looking at him, he's been on the defensive. This is a weaker reason as town can act this way too. Also note strongandbig's point about his campaign for captaincy including the promise that people could lynch him if they disagreed with his decision-making. That made and still makes no sense from a town point of view - if you're town, why would you agree to let yourself get lynched under any circumstances?

Three is that he basically revealed that he knew about acrofales' bombs. I haven't heard any replies from the people I PM'd about this yet so I'll just go ahead and post it.

People seem to be confused by Acrofale's bomb.

He could target a person at night with it, and if Acro died, the person died too.

He could choose to move it to somebody else the next night or keep it on the same person.

R.I.P Acrofales


This means that acrofales told him how his bombs work. This means that MrZentor knew that if acrofales died, another person would die. This means that if MrZentor were scum, he knew that killing acrofales would be a 2 for 1. Also note that acrofales stated in the thread at one point that he thought MrZentor was acting scummy. Acrofales was targeted for a reason - part of it may have been his suspicion of l10f but another part of it may be this. Marvellosity, this explains why acrofales told you to be suspicious of Zentor if he died. The only part that doesn't make sense is why Zentor would even make that post - maybe someone else knew? Maybe he slipped in trying to appear helpful? Or this whole case is rubbish and he's town.

Sinani206

Read Sinani's filter. Compare it to l10f's.

Sinani does nothing day one but comment on the captaincy. It's all superficial game-content posts from him. There is no attempt at real scumhunting. There is no attempt at any protown plan. He hasn't responded to PMs. Yet he's still in the game, posting and making votes. His vote just now for ET reeks.

Jackal58

He's on here almost by process of elimination and my own gut feeling to be perfectly honest. Here are his comments in PM land when asked what he thinks of sinani, node, and zentor:

Node is AWOL too much. Don't know if he's going strong in PM land or not.
Sinani drives me nuts but I think he's town.
Zentor strikes me as a noob trying to get lynched. Dunno what he is.

What do you make of them?
What do you make of Sandroba?

Original Message From talismania:
what do you make of node, sinani, and zentor?


Could be confirmation bias, but my eyebrows arched a bit when he asks me that fish-y question on sandroba. Here's the rest of the conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have never been right about Sinani. I don't expect to start being right about him today. He reminds me of Kenpachi.
And Node I agree. I've only seen him disappear like this when he's been scum.
You're right about Sandroba. I don't know why everybody claimed to him,and I still haven't ruled out that he may have used a vig to bus his teammate.

Original Message From talismania:
All three are near the scummy end of my list. sinani and node both only commented reactively to the captaincy discussion and have done little in the way of accusation or protown planning/ideas. At least sinani appears to still be playing the game.

Sandroba is town or we're all royally fucked. You think there's something going on with him?


coagulation

Like, Jackal, this case isn't that strong. There's not much to go on here, but again it's almost process of elimination. He goes after ace fairly strongly, as maverick pointed out. That doesn't necessarily make him scum - many people had suspicions of ace at the time, myself included. His vote on prp does not sit right with me. Not necessarily because of who it was made on, but how it was made. Maybe I'm tunneling, but it was almost like "oh whew, people are interested in a townie lynch let me hop on that real quick".

VayeshMoru

Oh Vayesh. I really have no clue what your alignment is. You're on this list because you're voting Node right now, and Jackal is fingering him as well. That's weak, I admit. But you also have cast some suspicion on marvellosity, who gives me town vibe, as well as me. You were the only person and maybe are the only person in the game to ever publicly state a suspicion on me. I think it was something like "he's only trying to play for himself" or something when I had just made a post about making sure that everyone shared as much information as possible.

________

On the bubble:

Node

Node has the same MO as sinani day one - except he actually did put some pressure on someone (strongandbig). And he's also disappeared since then, whereas sinani has at least attempted to keep playing. He's mainly out here because Jackal is raising suspicions of him, and I think scum right now are fishing for viable lynch alternatives to themselves

________

Outside possibilities:

Prplhz, erandorr. I wouldn't mind seeing these players flipped but I'm guessing they would come back town and would rather we go for one of ones higher up.

talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 17 2012 16:34 GMT
#833
On April 18 2012 01:20 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm scum because I asked for your opinion on Sandroba?
Ok.


My case on you is very weak. It's more of a process of elimination thing - if you're not scum then I'm just wrong about someone else I think is town, which happens.

Who are your top five?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 17 2012 19:57 GMT
#860
I would be fine with either sinani or jackal. Prp... eh. I see less information coming from that lynch.

The evidence on jackal sounds fairly damning. I want to hear his defense.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 18 2012 16:39 GMT
#932
Here's my PM exchange with Jackal (from yesterday, before I made my post):

+ Show Spoiler +
I have never been right about Sinani. I don't expect to start being right about him today. He reminds me of Kenpachi.
And Node I agree. I've only seen him disappear like this when he's been scum.
You're right about Sandroba. I don't know why everybody claimed to him,and I still haven't ruled out that he may have used a vig to bus his teammate.

Original Message From talismania:
All three are near the scummy end of my list. sinani and node both only commented reactively to the captaincy discussion and have done little in the way of accusation or protown planning/ideas. At least sinani appears to still be playing the game.

Sandroba is town or we're all royally fucked. You think there's something going on with him?

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From Jackal58:
Node is AWOL too much. Don't know if he's going strong in PM land or not.
Sinani drives me nuts but I think he's town.
Zentor strikes me as a noob trying to get lynched. Dunno what he is.

What do you make of them?
What do you make of Sandroba?

Original Message From talismania:
what do you make of node, sinani, and zentor?


Note his response to the question about sinani.

Also note that he was fomenting suspicion on Node, both to me in private, and in public on the thread. He also mentioned WBG in the thread as a suspect. WBG should already be seen as town because of how l10f spoke of him, but this is further town points for him. In addition Node should get some town points for the fact that Jackal was pushing him.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 03:06 GMT
#1006
On my phone but I'll briefly add that it makes approximately zero sense for a scum Kurumi to give me the item that he did or for him to even have it on day 1.

talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 03:09 GMT
#1007
In addition you'll see as I already pointed out earlier that l10f mentions receiving a pm from Kurumi but not answering it in his Convo w acrofales. It would have to be a very subtle play by scum to fake like that.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 17:05 GMT
#1058
Sinani,

There are three scum left. Who do you think they are? If unsure about some, provide a range.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 19:02 GMT
#1063
Coagulation's filter: some selected nuggets.

In response to Erandorr posting immediately after someone asked where he was, coag posts:
textbook lurking scum response time there.

Does a scum really highlight this about another scum? Maybe but I think this gives Erandorr some town cred.

__________________

He makes a list:

wherebugsgo
Ace
Kurumi
michaelthe
VisceraEyes

at this point they all need flipped asap from what I have been seeing.


Everyone on it should get a little town cred but I don't put it past him to think of including one scum here.

______________

He votes for Prp yesterday.

##Vote prplhz
cause his lurking is unacceptable and hes clearly invested in the game considering his ninja votes 2 days now but has no desire to participate other than lynching and thats scummy as fuck no matter what way you cut it.


I think this should give some town cred to prp - prp was in serious danger of being lynched at the time.

_______________

Maverick votes for him. Here's is coag's response:


Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 23:05 Maverick32x wrote:
My vote is going with Coagulation... unnecessary hard lynching on Ace, and major bandwagoning as described above^



umm

I put pressure on ace cause he was my number one scum read... thats how you fucking get information. You pressure people as hard as you can.
You pressure the fuck out of them and watch how THEY AND people around them react and make your decisions accordingly.

So lets break this down.

Mrzentor defended ace during my pressure.
Ace flips scum

2 scum candidates come up

Mrzentor ( clearly he reacted town to my pressure on ace and his defending of ace who flips town )

Prpl ( clearly ninja votes and lurks with zero input to game and multiple scum tells plus ace link)

I wonder who the fuck im gonna vote.

THATS LIKE ANTI BANDWAGON.

GTFO


Some more town cred to maverick based on this.


talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#1064
On April 18 2012 01:41 michaelthe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 09:31 sandroba wrote:
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

GM IS STATION TECHNICIAN

I'm one of the back-up Station Technicians. That role is unique so GM is confirmed town to me.
More people share my same role so GM should be confirmed town to them too. Unless you feel like there is a bunch of mafia linking to each other early you should trust me/gm 100%. It's the same as masons.

YOU SHOULD ALL CLAIM TO ME / GM.

We have 11 claims right now. If any vigis plan to shoot tonight you should give me a heads up so you don't hit important roles that I already know about.


I don't know why we haven’t been probing this claim A LOT harder.

I asked Sandroba about it in PM, but I'm apparently not important enough to respond to in PM land.

I want to know how exactly this claim worked. Was it an automatic claim to each other given in your roles? Did one person have to initiate? Are there more people, as you seemed to indicate? Why would you not know exactly who they are?

Did the claim necessarily include alignment? This is important as it would make sense in a body snatchers game, role!=alignment.

Either way, I want to know every detail of what happened. We either have a via pro-town force, which ought to be leading the scum hunt harder, or one or more scum taking advantage. I'd really like to know which it is.

##Vote: Sandroba


Michaelthe, can you clarify what you mean in the bolded statement? Do you know something about this game that we don't?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 21:58 GMT
#1065
On April 15 2012 15:55 michaelthe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 14:44 Maverick32x wrote:
Michaelthe- you are my number 1 scum read at the moment.

You are very dismissive of any comments towards you.

You want me to comment on some stupid minor issue that no one cares about?
I've stated already that I think day 1 and day 1 cases are friggen retarded, so if you want to comment on stupid squabbles on day 1, sorry.
Try and read a bit better. I stated my reason quiet clearly why I think he is the best candidate. Let me break it down as I would for a child, though with less effort, since teaching children actually takes effort:

Now if you'd excuse me, I just read Im either asian or don't get a f*** in the lol game im about to play for not paying attention after picking, I wonder if I effed up summoners.

I'm reading this as "I'm highly confrontational, don't say anything negative to me or I will strike back.. and quickly retreat" You don't actually MAKE a case, besides calling the other person stupid for disagreeing...

You got caught with your flip-floppery and I think right now you are trying to squirm your way out as fast as possible.


I would like to take you very seriously Mav. In fact, I am going to do things like make numbered lists!

1- Tailsmania didnt make comments towards me. He had me on a list of 30 people, and it was essentally a null read: “Not entirely sure if that's where he was going.” So you argument of me being dismissive is that I dismissed a null read. How are you dismissive of null reads? Im trying to take you serious, but I really dont know what to say.

2- Flip-flop. In my second point of my numbered list, I want to tackle the flip-flop issue. However, I really don't know what stance you say I took and flipped from. So thus ends the list.

Sorry, my attempt to take you seriously didnt go well since your statement was pretty much nonsense.




Re: Taliasmania

The pro of people posting lists of EVERY read is that it allows us to analysis the list of scum we hit. For example, scum probably won't have a scum read on any of their scum buddies on public lists (WIFOM pending).

The Con of complete read lists is that scum can use them every night to decide who to hit. For example, if the ENTIRE town has a VERY pro-town read on a person the scum knows is town- that person is likely to be hit. If your list ever includes possible blue roles, free hit. Also, they can use the list to say “OK, if this townie ends up dead, what would people think based on their list.”

Overall, I think the Con's far outwiegh the pros as Scum can use the lists everynight and the town can only most-effectivily use lists if a scum is lynched and has a public list that was prepared poorly (they will surely have some scum reads on their scum buddies if we force them to have a list.)

Actually, I should stress that point. The scum, knowing they would have a public list of “reads” when they die, would be sure to make it not obvious. Therefore, lists are a great tool for scum and a mediocre tool for the town.

A better way to find scum is to attempt to find one, and when the flip scum, go back and reread. It is unlikely that scum will bus their allies before the case even picks up steam, for example. But they are likely to bus when the lynch is secured.




Show nested quote +
On April 15 2012 15:27 Sinensis wrote:
wherebugsgo I just want to you know I refuse to read anything written in 3rd person.


Michaelthe is scum!


Michaelthe, why did you even think to make this joke?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 19 2012 23:47 GMT
#1070
The first clue was about a body-snatchers movie? I thought it was about an opera.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 20 2012 18:47 GMT
#1093
well if you look through ET's filter you'll see that he at some point interacts with all other known scum or scum suspects to some degree on day one. None of it is hard enough though to be certain of a disconnect. In fact, some of it strikes me as intentionally atagonistic with the goal of creating distance (the words with jackal, for instance).

Sinani is just weirdly not doing things to defend himself. If he is town he should be fighting harder. Assuming he is playing the game at all.

Jackal, in the pm exchange I posted, says he things sinani is town. I also asked about zentor and node - node he jumped on, trying to make a case. Zentor he was neutral on, sinani he said was town. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean anything one way or the other but it is something to look at.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 20 2012 19:01 GMT
#1096
Sinani responded to a pm???

Now THAT is unusual.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 20 2012 21:18 GMT
#1137
nice shot!

WBG had me fooled, that's for sure. He did a good job faking his pm with l10f.

What did he claim, btw? I wonder why Jackal claimed a made-up item if they got WBG in as far as they did.

My one chat convo with WBG (there is some discussion of VE, as well as some fishing on his part about the item kurumi gave me - this took place during night 2):

+ Show Spoiler +
[4/13/2012 5:09:00 PM] wherebugsgo: wherebugsgo tlmafia
[4/14/2012 3:58:02 PM] Jason Pipkin: Jason Pipkin has shared contact details with wherebugsgo.
[4/14/2012 5:21:32 PM] Jason Pipkin: hi this is talismania from ss mafia - you're wbg right?
[4/18/2012 2:04:59 PM] wherebugsgo: hey
[4/18/2012 2:05:02 PM] wherebugsgo: sorry I never got a chance to talk
[4/18/2012 2:05:14 PM] Jason Pipkin: oh from way back
[4/18/2012 2:05:15 PM] Jason Pipkin: no worries
[4/18/2012 2:05:16 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah
[4/18/2012 2:05:21 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway
[4/18/2012 2:05:32 PM] wherebugsgo: thoughts on the game at this stage? most of my reads atm are fairly weak
[4/18/2012 2:05:38 PM] wherebugsgo: since we've cycled through most of the people I wanted to kill
[4/18/2012 2:05:44 PM] wherebugsgo: (l10f, sinensis, jackal)
[4/18/2012 2:05:53 PM] Jason Pipkin: well I'm pretty much where my last big post left off
[4/18/2012 2:05:58 PM] Jason Pipkin: I had five people I thoguht were scum
[4/18/2012 2:06:07 PM] Jason Pipkin: jackal was on there and he's gone
[4/18/2012 2:06:12 PM] wherebugsgo: yep
[4/18/2012 2:06:23 PM] Jason Pipkin: I guess zentor has some town-confirming stuff in pm land so he's off for now
[4/18/2012 2:06:38 PM] Jason Pipkin: I still think sinani is scum, as well as coag
[4/18/2012 2:06:45 PM] Jason Pipkin: just process of elimination though to be honest
[4/18/2012 2:06:53 PM] wherebugsgo: yep
[4/18/2012 2:07:00 PM] Jason Pipkin: so there's one more
[4/18/2012 2:07:05 PM] wherebugsgo: at this point given the way the game seems to be going
[4/18/2012 2:07:13 PM] wherebugsgo: scum don't seem to be actually even be playing
[4/18/2012 2:07:17 PM] Jason Pipkin: no I don't think they are
[4/18/2012 2:07:24 PM] Jason Pipkin: I think they're pretty pissed actually
[4/18/2012 2:07:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: I think in the postgame there will be much bitching about what sandro did
[4/18/2012 2:07:57 PM] Jason Pipkin: but anyway, vayesh is on my shortlist
[4/18/2012 2:08:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: node was, but he's moved more town since jackal was on him (before jackal was under the gun)
[4/18/2012 2:08:13 PM] wherebugsgo: ye
[4/18/2012 2:08:20 PM] wherebugsgo: right
[4/18/2012 2:08:25 PM] wherebugsgo: it might not mean much though
[4/18/2012 2:08:26 PM] Jason Pipkin: then there's the people that are sort of floating around
[4/18/2012 2:08:28 PM] wherebugsgo: jackal had no logs with node
[4/18/2012 2:08:48 PM] Jason Pipkin: michael and strongandbig and erandorr etc
[4/18/2012 2:08:51 PM] Jason Pipkin: oh and prp
[4/18/2012 2:09:23 PM] Jason Pipkin: sinensis used to be on that fringe list but he flipped town
[4/18/2012 2:09:28 PM] wherebugsgo: right
[4/18/2012 2:09:34 PM] wherebugsgo: he was just useless
[4/18/2012 2:09:45 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I mean I read him as town
[4/18/2012 2:10:02 PM] Jason Pipkin: because his uselessness seemed more clueless than anything
[4/18/2012 2:10:15 PM] Jason Pipkin: but anyway
[4/18/2012 2:10:28 PM] Jason Pipkin: we'll see how this goes
[4/18/2012 2:10:47 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm probably dead tonight to be honest
[4/18/2012 2:11:12 PM] Jason Pipkin: so I guess I'll find out who the others are sooner than the rest
[4/18/2012 2:12:36 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah
[4/18/2012 2:12:36 PM] wherebugsgo: well
[4/18/2012 2:12:43 PM] wherebugsgo: we'll see
[4/18/2012 2:13:11 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm unsure of what to expect at this point
[4/18/2012 2:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: since the n1 shots were so odd
[4/18/2012 2:13:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: well they seemed scared of going after sandroba
[4/18/2012 2:13:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: or else they thought they could stir up mistrust of him
[4/18/2012 2:14:03 PM] Jason Pipkin: dunno I think if I were scum I use 3 kp on sandroba night 1, 2kp if I'm feeling lucky
[4/18/2012 2:14:15 PM] Jason Pipkin: blue circles way too powerful in this kind of a game
[4/18/2012 2:14:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: so if they're still scared of him
[4/18/2012 2:14:47 PM] Jason Pipkin: I expect them to go after active players on the edges
[4/18/2012 2:15:01 PM] Jason Pipkin: maybe I'm just paranoid but that's probably me
[4/18/2012 2:15:17 PM] Jason Pipkin: given that I called jackal scum before even sandroba posted his item discrepancy
[4/18/2012 2:16:21 PM] wherebugsgo: right
[4/18/2012 2:16:39 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno
[4/18/2012 2:16:48 PM] wherebugsgo: I think sandro will be fine though because
[4/18/2012 2:16:50 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia kp is 2
[4/18/2012 2:16:55 PM] wherebugsgo: and he undoubtedly has medics on him
[4/18/2012 2:17:08 PM] Jason Pipkin: do we konw that mafia kp is 2 for sure?
[4/18/2012 2:17:19 PM] wherebugsgo: dr h messed up and changed the values in the OP
[4/18/2012 2:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: but I'm only assuming
[4/18/2012 2:17:36 PM] wherebugsgo: based on two scum dying
[4/18/2012 2:17:54 PM] Jason Pipkin: I was assuming the same thing but neither of the hosts has gotten back to me on that yet
[4/18/2012 2:18:00 PM] wherebugsgo: right
[4/18/2012 2:18:05 PM] wherebugsgo: the KP value hasn't changed in the OP
[4/18/2012 2:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: but if it doesn't change
[4/18/2012 2:18:14 PM] wherebugsgo: it wouldn't make sense
[4/18/2012 2:18:28 PM] Jason Pipkin: no it should be standard 3 2 1 by twos
[4/18/2012 2:18:28 PM] wherebugsgo: like you could have a situation with few town and still have 4 scum, KP is 3 then town auto loses
[4/18/2012 2:18:32 PM] wherebugsgo: yep exactly
[4/18/2012 2:18:49 PM] wherebugsgo: so I think it's reasonable to assume scum are in a very tight spot atm
[4/18/2012 2:18:57 PM] wherebugsgo: if GM and sandro are both town then it's even better for us
[4/18/2012 2:19:16 PM] Jason Pipkin: sandro is very likely town
[4/18/2012 2:19:19 PM] Jason Pipkin: I doubt GM is scum
[4/18/2012 2:19:23 PM] wherebugsgo: right
[4/18/2012 2:19:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: both have outside possibility of being third party to me
[4/18/2012 2:19:34 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of VE?
[4/18/2012 2:19:54 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm not really sure to be honest
[4/18/2012 2:20:06 PM] Jason Pipkin: he claimed he took a hit, basically
[4/18/2012 2:20:19 PM] Jason Pipkin: and I had no idea at the time why mafia would put a hit on him
[4/18/2012 2:20:40 PM] Jason Pipkin: but he says that apparently around here mafia always put hits on people that are joining with "outside perspectives"
[4/18/2012 2:20:46 PM] Jason Pipkin: and other people have agreed with that
[4/18/2012 2:20:59 PM] Jason Pipkin: since I've never played here I guess I'm just deferring to the meta for now
[4/18/2012 2:21:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: but I can't see how an outside perspective would be any better than a vt's perspective
[4/18/2012 2:21:40 PM] Jason Pipkin: especially given that this is a pm game
[4/18/2012 2:21:50 PM] Jason Pipkin: so I would never target him as mafia
[4/18/2012 2:22:08 PM] Jason Pipkin: but I don't know him or his reputation or again this whole meta thing about targeting people coming in as replacements
[4/18/2012 2:23:04 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm
[4/18/2012 2:23:09 PM] wherebugsgo: I've never played a game with VE in PMs
[4/18/2012 2:23:14 PM] wherebugsgo: but he's actually really good as scum
[4/18/2012 2:23:17 PM] wherebugsgo: the thing is in PMs
[4/18/2012 2:23:23 PM] wherebugsgo: he kept exaggerating and fear mongering
[4/18/2012 2:23:46 PM] wherebugsgo: it was kinda weird
[4/18/2012 2:23:50 PM] wherebugsgo: he was trying to make anything fit
[4/18/2012 2:23:53 PM] wherebugsgo: to call GM and sandro scum
[4/18/2012 2:23:58 PM] wherebugsgo: or to say there was scum in the circle
[4/18/2012 2:24:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I have notice this as well
[4/18/2012 2:24:38 PM] Jason Pipkin: and if that is his goal, and he's scum, then he's trying the "be so direct that they'll never think I would be so direct" approach
[4/18/2012 2:24:43 PM] wherebugsgo: yes
[4/18/2012 2:24:47 PM] wherebugsgo: and it has worked for him before
[4/18/2012 2:24:49 PM] Jason Pipkin: in any event
[4/18/2012 2:24:57 PM] Jason Pipkin: I would love to know what sandroba knows about him to be honest
[4/18/2012 2:25:03 PM] wherebugsgo: he thinks he's likely town
[4/18/2012 2:25:17 PM] wherebugsgo: did he tell you anything about what happened?
[4/18/2012 2:25:20 PM] wherebugsgo: with the hit claim and everything
[4/18/2012 2:25:36 PM] Jason Pipkin: I asked him if he was claiming a hit in the thread and why he thoguht he was hit
[4/18/2012 2:25:41 PM] Jason Pipkin: he said that he was hit
[4/18/2012 2:25:50 PM] Jason Pipkin: and for the reason I already mentioned
[4/18/2012 2:25:55 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[4/18/2012 2:25:55 PM] wherebugsgo: well
[4/18/2012 2:26:12 PM] wherebugsgo: I think I can trust you, but I'd rather not leak info that need not be leaked
[4/18/2012 2:30:59 PM] Jason Pipkin: ok back
[4/18/2012 2:31:05 PM] Jason Pipkin: my computer bso'd
[4/18/2012 2:31:56 PM] wherebugsgo: s'all good
[4/18/2012 2:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: basically anyway
[4/18/2012 2:32:31 PM] wherebugsgo: I have a few reasons to believe VE is town
[4/18/2012 2:32:36 PM] wherebugsgo: but I'm not as concrete as sandro is about him
[4/18/2012 2:32:45 PM] wherebugsgo: because I don't agree with sandro on his rationale
[4/18/2012 2:33:58 PM] Jason Pipkin: his rationale is just that VE got hit therefore he's town, right?
[4/18/2012 2:34:02 PM] Jason Pipkin: that's all I heard anyway
[4/18/2012 2:34:50 PM] wherebugsgo: more or less
[4/18/2012 2:34:53 PM] wherebugsgo: but there's a little more as well
[4/18/2012 2:34:56 PM] wherebugsgo: it's just his claim really
[4/18/2012 2:35:06 PM] wherebugsgo: his roleclaim
[4/18/2012 2:35:14 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm assuming VE claimed an item someone else has or something
[4/18/2012 2:35:22 PM] wherebugsgo: something like that
[4/18/2012 2:35:27 PM] wherebugsgo: but it was the manner that made sandro think VE is town
[4/18/2012 2:35:35 PM] wherebugsgo: the thing is as scum VE is more than capable of doing what he did
[4/18/2012 2:35:42 PM] wherebugsgo: he bussed his scumbuddy in LII randomly
[4/18/2012 2:35:46 PM] wherebugsgo: err LI
[4/18/2012 2:35:56 PM] wherebugsgo: so I disagree with sandro
[4/18/2012 2:35:57 PM] wherebugsgo: but
[4/18/2012 2:36:03 PM] wherebugsgo: at this point VE wouldn't make a good lynch anyway
[4/18/2012 2:36:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: no he wouldn't
[4/18/2012 2:36:20 PM] wherebugsgo: he's just an option
[4/18/2012 2:36:50 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I mean if scum have a power that lets them steal items
[4/18/2012 2:37:03 PM] Jason Pipkin: then ostensibly VE could have acquired a town item
[4/18/2012 2:37:17 PM] Jason Pipkin: but I dunno I imagine that whoever was stolen from would have announced that
[4/18/2012 2:39:43 PM] wherebugsgo: ye
[4/18/2012 2:39:57 PM] wherebugsgo: ntw
[4/18/2012 2:39:58 PM] wherebugsgo: btw
[4/18/2012 2:40:02 PM] wherebugsgo: did kurumi actually give you his item?
[4/18/2012 2:40:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: yeah
[4/18/2012 2:42:10 PM] wherebugsgo: what kind of flavor
[4/18/2012 2:42:14 PM] wherebugsgo: did you receive?
[4/18/2012 2:42:31 PM] Jason Pipkin: what do you mean?
[4/18/2012 2:42:33 PM] Jason Pipkin: night one flavor?
[4/18/2012 2:42:55 PM] Jason Pipkin: I'm not really sure I got any
[4/18/2012 2:43:48 PM] wherebugsgo: nah
[4/18/2012 2:43:51 PM] wherebugsgo: when receiving the item
[4/18/2012 2:44:10 PM] Jason Pipkin: oh
[4/18/2012 2:44:23 PM] Jason Pipkin: well I got the item and its description
[4/18/2012 2:44:27 PM] Jason Pipkin: let me recheck
[4/18/2012 2:45:35 PM] Jason Pipkin: no I mean it came at the start of night 1
[4/18/2012 2:45:57 PM] Jason Pipkin: I dunno what I'm supposed to say about the fluff of how I got it story-wise
[4/18/2012 2:46:05 PM] Jason Pipkin: DocH seems kind of against that
[4/18/2012 2:46:26 PM] Jason Pipkin: it's like one sentence though
[4/18/2012 2:46:45 PM] Jason Pipkin: why do yo uask?
[4/18/2012 2:48:12 PM] wherebugsgo: well
[4/18/2012 2:48:14 PM] wherebugsgo: just curious
[4/18/2012 2:48:22 PM] wherebugsgo: sandro basically said
[4/18/2012 2:48:28 PM] wherebugsgo: dr. h likes using flavor
[4/18/2012 2:48:48 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm curious as to whether the flavor would be helpful in any way
[4/18/2012 2:49:32 PM] Jason Pipkin: well I'll ask if I can share that or not
[4/18/2012 2:49:51 PM] Jason Pipkin: I mean I don't see why not but maybe he wouldn't allow it
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 20 2012 21:26 GMT
#1139
On April 21 2012 05:17 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs has been playing a very apathetic style, even in PMs. There was a leak in the almighty circle too, and bugs was well placed.

Syllo said some rubbish about team balance, but you know syllo.

I'm really looking forward to hearing how the almighty circle operated once this game is all over


I think the funny part of the almighty circle is that it isn't a circle. It's a wheel with spokes, with like two/three people at the center that know everything and everyone else on the outside sort of knowing a little bit about the people next to them but not much else.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 20 2012 21:51 GMT
#1147
VE, are your WBG logs thread-safe? I'd be interested in seeing them to try understanding why he was asking me about you.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 21 2012 04:50 GMT
#1206
Well gg.

Nice to win but I'd like to play a regular game next to see what that is like. I've only ever played pm and im games and I was surprised there was so little Convo sharing and faking etc.

Shout out to Kurumi for hooking me up w the exoskeleton. It felt good to be a vet medic.

Thanks for all the best newbie shout outs but I feel they're a tad undeserved since I've played like 20 games before on another site :-)

Hope to see you all in future games!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 21 2012 18:31 GMT
#1302
it ended up helping you bugs because when jackal fake claimed exoskeleton I figured that no one close to the information was leaking. I was super confused when you got shot and flipped that jackal had fucked that up - I think I even posted to that effect.
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