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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 12 2012 11:58 GMT
#1881
Would you look at that? Overnight, the town has become all quiet and helpful! :D

@prplhz: I'm happy with an Artanis lynch. That guy has been lurking like none other.

@zealos: Assuming you're right (that VE is scum), there are five more scum out there. Name one of them, and tell me why I should be lynching them.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 12 2012 11:59 GMT
#1882
Alright ghost, give me a sec to look over some filters and I'll get back to you.
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 12 2012 12:03 GMT
#1883
Also, still not sure what to make of Toads claim. I find it hard to believe that both of them are town, and that we managed to out both an insane DT and a vet in one day. However, I agree with prplhz. Let's drop this for the time being, and take a moment to regain our bearings. There have been over 40 pages since the Day post. As a town, we need to calm down and re-evaluate this whole situation. If there is the chance that both of them are telling the truth, and we do manage to lynch them both, we lose.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 12 2012 12:07 GMT
#1884
Mr FourFace
Not all too many strong cases. Seems happy to cause a little chaos here and there and lurk when things get rough.

Also good at posting fluff:

On April 12 2012 04:11 FourFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 00:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, it's nice to know that Tunkeg is going to be turning off his brain for the rest of the game. Thanks for letting us know guy, that would've been confusing later!


I'm doing the same. I have really tried to read and find something, but I have no idea how to play this game nor am I willing to commit to make an effort once it looks more like work than play.

I am pretty pissed at Toad and gonzaw for making this chronologically unreadable, and pissed at TL for not supplying the means to filter-out a player, i.e. ignore. If either one is mafia I think this is a gay tactic. Maybe you fancy smugs with your iphones can read wherever, whenever comfortably, I on the other hand have an ancient CRT monitor which is like 24 inches and it burns my eyes if I stare at it longer than 3 hours and I think my chair is slightly oblique.. so fuck you, I couldn't have possibly known that this was going to be this hard. It's boring. It's depressing. Town is in a shitty position and I got -1 cred because sput flipped blue, which makes me wonder how much I really know about this game. Even if I'd read this thing from start to finish I wouldn't know what to look for.

So if Toad and gonzaw are in fact scum I have to admit you've raped me at this game. I had no chance whatsoever and I feel like committing suicide. If you are both town you should get your heads examined for posting like that.

I agree not to vote for Toad if he could just for the love of God, promise to make his posts less lethal, and could everyone just stop the meta crap.

I need to vent on another thing + Show Spoiler +
I don't know who to vote for but if I'd have to choose, motivated by something other than the urge for convenience, I'd choose all those who call johnnywup - jdub. Why would you call johnnywup - jdub. I just can't understand it. Is he a smurf? I don't know any jdub so why wasn't I informed who the fuck you people are talking about when referring to jdub.


I've also noticed that if I'm not involved with any of the discussion that I can't make myself give a shit about it. I guess I got ADD mixed with narcissism or something. So I'm just lurking around today to see if someone mentions my name because that might motivate me to go through his filter.

I've never seen a post so long with literally no useful information in it. Just look at it?!
And what does this achieve?
You two should kiss and make up. By the time you asked VE about Toad he already made the check so what is he supposed to say to you .. that he made the check so he that's why he thinks Toad is suspicious?
Then he thought to himself, fuck it I'll claim and make wbg understand why I think Toad is scum to answer his question and get him on my side.

But wbg isn't town, is he.. he understood what VE was doing, he knew no one else would understand so he can make VE look like scum by playing ignorant. VE did all this for you and now you won't back off of lynching him?

VE, Am I crazy?


Not to mention, I am not the first people to see issues with FourFace, and I find it interesting that the person I really think is scum VisceraEyes seems to be best buddies with him. Fourface has shot down any attempt to call VE scum, and VE hasn't even mentioned the people who have claimed Fourface as scum.

Thats why tonight we kill VisceraEyes then tomorrow we can kill his scumbuddy Fourface
(But please for the love of god, can we get rid of VE first?)
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 12 2012 12:15 GMT
#1885
VE or Toad? gah...dammit. Et, im feeling like you, a wishy washy mess not sure what to do in this town. Really, don't believe that toad claim though, at all, i think he is lieing. Although, the other claim was just as poorly timed, and calculated. Nice to see that im not the only one that thinks people other than these two should be discussed for lynch, eg: the mass switch on blzinghand, which i would be a part of.

Why would Toad call for protection? His reasoning doesn't make much sense, seems to made up on the spot. Isn't the job of veteran to soak up some shots to keep alive our other blues? I am going with my gut and sticking with the Toad vote. If its VE vs Toad. I am voting Toad.

Prplz thats an interesting point, espeically for someone who has just read through the thread. Lynching someone other than Toad or VE then trying to use tracking or night role checks, or otherwise to confirm. Artanis does seem like scum for sure. But so does BH. How late in the day is it, no lynch would be awful...

But is it;

2 late to dizcus n e thing other than VE n Toad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
April 12 2012 12:17 GMT
#1886
On April 12 2012 20:58 ghost_403 wrote:
Would you look at that? Overnight, the town has become all quiet and helpful! :D

@prplhz: I'm happy with an Artanis lynch. That guy has been lurking like none other.

@zealos: Assuming you're right (that VE is scum), there are five more scum out there. Name one of them, and tell me why I should be lynching them.


Gonzaw + VE + Toad + Bugs sleeping ftw!

So I come back to the thread from school & sleep and it seems that VE has decided to claim Detective randomly for no bloody reason when there are goddammed sanities in play. This feels so f^$&!@ing retarded and I have no idea why the fuck he did so. I dont see why a town VE would claim at this point when the lynch was still split rather evenly (I think) WHEN HIS SANITY IS UNCLEAR WTF. The fckin problem is that it makes even less sense for mafia to claim cop in this setup at this point. Screw this shit -.-

And than the thread goes into flipout mode.

And than Toades decides to claim too - and as a Veteran. As said asking for medic prot when ones a vet makes approx 0 sense, since the chances of toad getting doublestacked last night was close to none in the first place. So why the fuck ask for medic prot? His reason makes no sense to me wtf and he even admits that he had no thread presence n1, and that medics wouldnt listen to his "protect Jackal" plea which shows that even he knows that his reason for "confirmed" is dumb as hell.

I have no goddammed idea if this two claims are actually true. Both are so goddamed bad, and yes this feud is stupid as shit.

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 12 2012 12:18 GMT
#1887
Mementoss, despite previous shenanigans, we still have over 24 hours till lynch. So no, nothing is too late yet.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
April 12 2012 12:19 GMT
#1888
On April 12 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, despite previous shenanigans, we still have over 24 hours till lynch. So no, nothing is too late yet.


Acutally its about 14 hours.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 12 2012 12:20 GMT
#1889
On April 12 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, despite previous shenanigans, we still have over 24 hours till lynch. So no, nothing is too late yet.


Good, the amount of people who seem to think lynching VE is the game winning move and only option scares the shit out of me. Being pushed hard by all sorts of randoms with no sorts of hard pushing before. Just to put it out there Artanis[XP] and BH and both pretty scummy in my book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 12 2012 12:21 GMT
#1890
On April 12 2012 21:19 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, despite previous shenanigans, we still have over 24 hours till lynch. So no, nothing is too late yet.


Acutally its about 14 hours.


Wow. Apparently 13:21 -> 03:00 = almost 26 hours. I promise I did maths at school until I was 18.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
April 12 2012 12:22 GMT
#1891
I am starting to consider the possibilty that both of them are town. It seems pretty unbelievable our "vets" would be playing this "well". Gosh.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 12 2012 12:23 GMT
#1892
I don't think it is the only move, mearly based on current facts and what has been said, I think it is the best one.
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zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
April 12 2012 12:24 GMT
#1893
On April 12 2012 21:21 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 21:19 zelblade wrote:
On April 12 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, despite previous shenanigans, we still have over 24 hours till lynch. So no, nothing is too late yet.


Acutally its about 14 hours.


Wow. Apparently 13:21 -> 03:00 = almost 26 hours. I promise I did maths at school until I was 18.


Doesnt it end at 10:00 HKT?

Its about 20:25 HKT now.

Im quite sure thats ~ 14 hours...?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#1894
On April 12 2012 21:24 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 21:21 marvellosity wrote:
On April 12 2012 21:19 zelblade wrote:
On April 12 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, despite previous shenanigans, we still have over 24 hours till lynch. So no, nothing is too late yet.


Acutally its about 14 hours.


Wow. Apparently 13:21 -> 03:00 = almost 26 hours. I promise I did maths at school until I was 18.


Doesnt it end at 10:00 HKT?

Its about 20:25 HKT now.

Im quite sure thats ~ 14 hours...?


No, you are correct. I meant I had worked it out as 26 hours (i.e. 12 hours extra) and I am an idiot.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 12 2012 12:27 GMT
#1895
On April 12 2012 21:17 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 20:58 ghost_403 wrote:
Would you look at that? Overnight, the town has become all quiet and helpful! :D

@prplhz: I'm happy with an Artanis lynch. That guy has been lurking like none other.

@zealos: Assuming you're right (that VE is scum), there are five more scum out there. Name one of them, and tell me why I should be lynching them.


Gonzaw + VE + Toad + Bugs sleeping ftw!

So I come back to the thread from school & sleep and it seems that VE has decided to claim Detective randomly for no bloody reason when there are goddammed sanities in play. This feels so f^$&!@ing retarded and I have no idea why the fuck he did so. I dont see why a town VE would claim at this point when the lynch was still split rather evenly (I think) WHEN HIS SANITY IS UNCLEAR WTF. The fckin problem is that it makes even less sense for mafia to claim cop in this setup at this point. Screw this shit -.-

And than the thread goes into flipout mode.

And than Toades decides to claim too - and as a Veteran. As said asking for medic prot when ones a vet makes approx 0 sense, since the chances of toad getting doublestacked last night was close to none in the first place. So why the fuck ask for medic prot? His reason makes no sense to me wtf and he even admits that he had no thread presence n1, and that medics wouldnt listen to his "protect Jackal" plea which shows that even he knows that his reason for "confirmed" is dumb as hell.

I have no goddammed idea if this two claims are actually true. Both are so goddamed bad, and yes this feud is stupid as shit.



No I said medics wouldn't medic ME. I honestly thought someone would be smart enough to medic Jackal and not only consider WBG / VE...
What does the doublestack thing mean? If I get protected and shot I keep my 2nd life. That's a townie with 2 lifes, who claimed a hit while having a shitload of threadpresence and out there is some guy who knows exactly that I am not making stuff up. I mean i did not go for that, I never thought someone would medic me in the first place but that as a "bad case szenario" sounds still preeeeeetty awesome because mafia has to shoot/eliminate that.

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
April 12 2012 12:28 GMT
#1896
Counterwagon on Artanis is getting started it seems.

If you guys don't want to be lynching VE (or Toad) you better have some AMZING case on the one you are pushing for. Otherwise it is just a massive derail. This little hints about this guy beeing scum and this guy beeing scum just to see if it picks up speed is something I find very anit-town and very suspicious.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 12 2012 12:29 GMT
#1897
I don't see anything wrong with finding other scum, but not at the cost of derailing all ongoing discussion.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 12 2012 12:30 GMT
#1898
On April 12 2012 18:40 prplhz wrote:
A lot of people mentioned Artanis[Xp], which is perfectly reasonable, and I actually think that guy is scum. In Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX he wasn't afraid to give reads and he was being the town leader for a big part of the game. In this game he's just looking for insignificant stuff and is generally not caring about this game.

I do care about this game, but the game is a LOT bigger than the previous game. 12 players compared to 30 means a ton more to read and a ton more to analyze. If you look at my previous 30-player game (TL Mafia XXX) you'll see I posted even less the entire game then I have so far. In Mini Mafia IX I had 3 pages over 4 days, I have one page over one and a half day now. It's not a big difference.
His "scum on all of wherebugsgo/VisceraEyes/Toadesstern"-read is just ludicrous.

All three have been playing suspicious. Wherebugsgo has been stepping it up since, but the other two are playing terrible. Do you disagree with that?

See how he hides his big scum analysis at the bottom of a page in a filter in this post? This doesn't look like anybody who wants people to listen to him, more like someone who is ashamed of his shabby case but wants to post it anyway.

Wait, you think I f5 the thread waiting until it's the last post on a thread to post something? That's amusing. I post my posts when I'm done writing them, which is what happened. That it happened to be the last post is nothing but pure chance.

His next significant post is this where he responds to someone calling him scum. The first paragraph is interesting because if he really believed in the "we"-thing, then a townie would be like a bloodhound who just found a scum slip. Instead he backs out of it because gonzaw berated him and because nobody else picks up on it. It looks like he's afraid to spearhead anything, something that is also very different from his behavior in SNMMIX.

I did believe in it when I first pointed it out, but I didn't have the time to go through gonzaw's filter. After noticing gonzaw's very pro town attitude in the rest of the game I backed off from it because he's been actively scumhunting with almost every post. If I was scum, it makes more sense to try not to be flip floppy and push it further. However, I changed my opinion because I didn't think he was scum anymore after reading his filter, and presume it was an honest mistake after that.

As for not spearheading anything, when it was between Janaan and Tunkeg I once again brought up Sputnik whom I really thought was mafia, despite him only having two votes. I just haven't found anyone to spearhead just yet because this thread has become a massive clusterfuck.


Regarding VE/Toad
If we don't lynch one of these two today this clusterfuck will just keep going. I don't like Toad's claim at all, but it still makes slightly more sense then a DT check from someone who didn't know he was sane or not. Honestly they both look so scummy that I don't know which to lynch first, yet it seems unlikely that they're both scum given how much they've gone after eachother since day 1. I'm going to leave my vote on VE because a DT claim at the point that he did seems dumb.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 12 2012 12:31 GMT
#1899
On April 12 2012 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Regarding VE/Toad
If we don't lynch one of these two today this clusterfuck will just keep going. I don't like Toad's claim at all, but it still makes slightly more sense then a DT check from someone who didn't know he was sane or not. Honestly they both look so scummy that I don't know which to lynch first, yet it seems unlikely that they're both scum given how much they've gone after eachother since day 1. I'm going to leave my vote on VE because a DT claim at the point that he did seems dumb.

This is the key for me. Something has to be done.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 12 2012 12:32 GMT
#1900
Here's the problem I have with wbg's explanation of toad's posting, which is "it's his meta". Meta or not, I don't like the FoS flying everywhere, the OMGUS, the terrible cases, the walls of nonsense text, the nightkill wifom etc. NONE of this is conducive to town doing well. Even if I am inclined to believe wbg (increasingly it seems he is probably right about it), it still feels like:

Someone: "So, Mr Toadington just killed another baby."
Me: "what?!?!?"
Other: "Don't worry, he does it all the time."
Me: "Shouldn't we call the police? This is horrific!"
Another: "Na, it's only Mr Toadington killing babies."
Me: O.o
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