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okay, here's what I would rather do, then:
either push you toward the item and pull someone other than syllo (e.g. Tobon or Bluelightz) OR pull syllo and push someone other than you (i.e. Tobon or Bluelightz)
I'm actually curious to see what will happen if we push you toward the fire. If you die or the plan fails, then of course that means syllo is a free kill tomorrow and we haven't lost all hope because we would have (in the optimal situation) killed someone else today.
Anyone have a problem with the push Cephiro, pull Tobon/Bluelightz plan?
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On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.
I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.
Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.
Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim.
Explain why you're calling Bluelightz confirmed-scum? His role doesn't bode well for him, but Palmar had a role I thought might be in the hands of scum.
It certainly seems like you like playing with extremes this game. I certainly have no problem with killing Bluelightz, but from what I recall you defended him just in your previous post. Look:
On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.
I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care.
What gives?
Indeed, early in the game when I asked you about Blue, you said this:
On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote:
I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling.
You look scummier by the minute, prpl.
In addition you were pretty much defending syllogism yesterday and now all of a sudden you want to kill him. Why the change of heart? You wanted to kill Cephiro over syllo yesterday; now you want to kill syllo. Surely, you can change your mind, but this seems like a very calculated and spur of the moment move.
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On April 04 2012 14:48 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.
I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.
Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.
Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. Explain why you're calling Bluelightz confirmed-scum? His role doesn't bode well for him, but Palmar had a role I thought might be in the hands of scum. It certainly seems like you like playing with extremes this game. I certainly have no problem with killing Bluelightz, but from what I recall you defended him just in your previous post. Look: On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.
I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care. What gives? Indeed, early in the game when I asked you about Blue, you said this: On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote:
I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling.
You look scummier by the minute, prpl. In addition you were pretty much defending syllogism yesterday and now all of a sudden you want to kill him. Why the change of heart? You wanted to kill Cephiro over syllo yesterday; now you want to kill syllo. Surely, you can change your mind, but this seems like a very calculated and spur of the moment move. I already explained why I'm calling Bluelightz confirmed scum. It's not because of his role, that doesn't mean anything about his alignment. It's because he used a scum favored role. If town had that role they would just not use it but he chose to use it so he is scum. Both layabout and I warned him about it when he claimed yesterday. His first posts looked very trollish to me and I don't think that scum would put their ass on the line like that. With him using his scum favored role when he's been asked not to, I would want to lynch him almost no matter what other indication there was about his alignment. I was defending syllogism yesterday because I'd much rather kill Sbrubbles. I wanted to kill Cephiro over syllogism some part of yesterday but I changed my mind and I'm pretty sure that is reflected in my posts too (I think I called Cephiro town at some point).
Fair enough. I agree with your reasoning about why we should be killing Bluelightz.
So, without further ado:
##pull Bluelightz
Let's pull this mofo off the board.
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syllo is not mod confirmed red because risk nuke has not flipped.
There is still a chance you're both green and risk is red.
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I'm actually curious to see what other players say first. There is plenty of time in the day and there's no rush.
I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about.
risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill.
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I'm at a cafe on my phone having breakfast (weird for me actually) but this is oddly relaxing.
Wait wtf Wiggles is suddenly against lynching Bluelightz?
What's with the meek response Wiggles? Why do you not want to see him flip immediately? You claim we should use our PoPs on other people but don't even offer one to begin with. The hell?
Bluelightz I really don't see how you could be town. If you actually are town you must be deficient of about 3/4 of the brain cells everyone else possesses, for reasons already mentioned several times (I.e. The position 24 bull)
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I am illiterate and retarded.
Thank you Cephiro.
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There is one big thing I disagree with, though.
First of all, Bluelightz's role might not necessarily be scum-favored in itself but definitely his use of it (or his choice to use it at all) is incredibly scummy. Why would town choose to use an ability that places bombs at random locations on the map? It could very well cause multiple people to die unexpectedly because they start the day on a trapped position, or are moved into a trapped position by scum.
As town you want to facilitate order and hunt scum in an organized way, because this game is about a race against the clock. The mafia need to kill us faster than we can find and kill them. Bluelightz used his role in a way that would hamper our effort and accelerate the effort of mafia, since his role causes disruption and death at random. If I were town and I had his role there would be no way I would ever use it.
I don't know if we'll be able to control who dies today, because the bomb could have been placed on a square with a townie (or who knows, TWO townies) who will not get moved.
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Also I find no reason to be overly suspicious about the players who would rather push syllo than you, Cephiro. Unfortunately you both ended at very low positions, so unless you moved it would take a lot of pushes to achieve the goal. It's still quite a risky proposition to just trust you and expect no action from scum even if you turn out to be telling the truth.
I'll think about it some more. Others seem to have similar concerns as well.
What do you think of Wiggles?
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Actually what am I saying, the ending position shouldn't matter
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He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all.
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I meant you and syllo ended up at low positions yesterday, but that shouldn't matter unless the positions are carried over. I can't find that info in the OP.
are positions carried over more or less day to day or are they randomized every day?
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I don't know whether scum are scared by you. How can you tell who the scum are? How do you know the people who are concerned aren't townies?
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I would say the same about you. Are you going to definitely kill syllo if the plan succeeds?
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Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it?
At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon.
There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first.
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On April 05 2012 02:12 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:45 Cephiro wrote:On April 05 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all. This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end. Explain this please. Is it because we should just blindly trust Bluelightz to tell us truthfully that the traps are placed where they can be of absolutely no use?
It's in the daypost iirc
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Actually daypost doesn't contain the positions, so Bluelightz very well could be lying about everything.
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Snarfs who would you most like to kill today?
Is there anyone outside of Bluelightz and Cephiro/syllo you find suspicious? Please explain your reads.
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On April 05 2012 02:21 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it?
At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon.
There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first. Because it makes it easier to push him and actually makes him a real lynch candidate as very few people seem to be looking at him. I'm pretty sure he's scum at this point as the only thing that he has really done this game is rolefish.
You're probably right, and I could be overly worried simply because we haven't properly flipped anyone yet. I'm most concerned with getting that first scum killed because that'll at least give confirmation that we're on the right track. Perhaps I just lack confidence.
I don't want to split the votes too much, but at the same time I want to kill 3 people today (syllo, Tobon, and Bluelightz).
I'm really curious about this Cephiro thing and I'm very close to just pushing him as well.
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Yeah, he's chosen to ignore my request for reads and he's flip flopped about Bluelightz as well.
You've already pulled Bluelightz, correct? Would you rather push Cephiro or Tobon?
I think we need to get town on the same page here relatively quickly. The only person I'm waiting to hear from is layabout; if he gives a solid opinion that's in agreement with what I currently think is true then we're probably on the right track.
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