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On April 03 2012 06:20 Dirkzor wrote: Eh... WBG if it works you just gave Palmar the item... smart? If it works we kill him. If it doesn't work then we've confirmed he's telling the truth and he looks more town. | ||
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On April 03 2012 06:25 Acrofales wrote: WBG: you're complaining about people wasting PoPs, but don't even read the thread properly?! You just wasted a pull. In fact, the very pull that made me decide he was speaking the truth: And then, 8 pages later, you come in and just throw away your pull. Derp much? What are you talking about? How was that a waste? That pull was the single most significant action anyone could have made today. It confirmed that Palmar was telling the truth, and had it worked, it would certainly meant a dead scum Palmar. Now it's far more likely that Palmar is town. Also, I still have my pull, so yes VE, I will help save you. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote: Hey guys I'm around for a little while. @VisceraEyes You would be alright with a syllogism lynch because syllogism is setup speculating from a scum perspective when he says that Bill Murray's role is too powerful? Think about it from an objective stand point then because that's what syllogism surely has whether he's scum or town, the role is actually quite powerful when you keep in mind that scum only has 1KP. My problem was that the claim seemed like, the role was kind of well thought out but how he communicated it to town was pretty shabby. I would expect a scum to pretty much have the role PM written down so they know exactly what their claim is about. Bill Murray didn't really do anything besides his claim and that's bad. Overall I wouldn't want to lynch him. Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. Are you defending syllogism with this post? Do you think syllogism is town? Why do you prefer lynching Cephiro over syllogism or Sbrubbles? Why do you say we should lynch all of them and then say we should lynch Cephiro? Is it because you know Cephiro would flip town (thus necessitating multiple deaths?) | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote: Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. rofl On April 01 2012 18:45 prplhz wrote: I'm against pushing Palmar up to the item slot and then back down again. On April 03 2012 08:15 prplhz wrote: Hey Cephiro I think you were being irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item, I had a really hard time following that train of thought. Can you tell me again in a couple of sentences why you were so opposed to it? On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes It means that if you do a cost/benefit analysis of getting that item for Palmar, you'll eventually reach the conclusion that it's not worth it. It's way too risky and the item is not very powerful. Since you're apparently going ahead with it anyway we should just stop talking about it. I'm just very displeased with it. Why are you so focused on being reckless? ...(omitted parts here) Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24. rofl x2 prpl, now that you can't push/pull Palmar, what are you going to do with your actions? | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:20 prplhz wrote: Yes. I dont' think we should lynch syllogism today. I prefer Cephiro because I think he was being too careful in his early posting and because he seemed to be irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item. The lynch-'em-all idea was just an observation, it's most likely infeasible to lynch them all today which is why I took a more pragmatic stance later in the post. Lyching into them gives us at least a 2:1 chance to lynch scum which is pretty good and I think we should definitely see if we can't agree on something like that today. I'm proposing Cephiro, but after just reading his filter a bit more carefully maybe I'll go for Sbrubbles instead. He said he'd post some more so we'll see how that goes. Is the "yes" to "you think syllo is town", "are you defending syllo," or both? Why not syllo? You keep choosing to avoid talking about syllo, constantly making the conversation about Cephiro and Sbrubbles. Why is syllo town? | ||
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This stalling looks like a scum prplhz. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:55 prplhz wrote: ##Push VisceraEyes What is you guys' problem? I gave people a heads up so we didn't have any unfortunate accidents and then I went to prepare myself for bed. Jesus christ you're paranoid for absolutely no reason at all. What scum motivation is there for saying that I'm going to push somebody soon and then wait a little while to do it? "What if it's just a decoy and currently making his way out to steal all of our cereal?" @wherebugsgo I would really appreciate it if you would at least write out single sentences explaining why you are quoting my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "rofl" so it seems to me like you're just trying to get on my nerves and I don't want any part of that. Mostly, it seemed to me like you weren't thinking at all, you took things out of context and then instead of actually trying to use any arguments you just wrote "rofl" to ridicule me. I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to. Cephiro's early posts seemed very careful and I didn't understand his irrationaly fear of Palmar getting the item. This made me think he was scummier than Sbrubbles (who was just afk) and syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging I ask you why you're defending syllogism. You respond with: I am not going to write a huge syllogism-town analysis when there's no case against him and it doesn't look like he's going to get lynched. Sufficient to say, I'm against lynching him today and I don't like the "scum POV setup speculation" argument that I already responded to. and syllogism (who didn't do anything scummy yet). falls under: Creating an excuse not to answer ("I'm feeling sick, I can't answer now.")[ I ask you whether the "yes" was to "are you defending syllo" or "are you calling syllo town" or both, no answer there. Refusing to answer ("No comment.") So, are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue dodging? Your day 1 effort in trying to find scum has been nonexistent, to say the least. Day 1 ends in 4 hours, and you've done nothing but meekly state we should lynch cephiro based on risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:10 prplhz wrote: CONTEXT No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"? I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline. What is this, your fourth dodge? Why don't you answer one simple question I ask of you? | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote: Yes, I am defending syllogism, yes, I think he is town. No, I'm not going to write a lot about syllogism. "Dodging" is probably a poor description of what I'm doing, I'm straight up refusing to do it because I see no reason to do it right now. Overall he seems to care about the game, he's been reasonably active and then I don't like the idea of lynching syllogism on day1. "I don't think he has done anything scummy yet", do you want me to go through all of his posts and explain sentence after sentence why they're not scummy? I want to lynch Cephiro because I think his early posts looked very careful and because he seemed irrationally afraid that Palmar should get the item. I already stated this in the thread I believe so you're just misrepresenting when you say it's based on "risk's roleclaim and the apparent lack of a better target". He was nullified by scum and would be a pretty poor move if Palmar was scum. It looks to me like you're speculating wildly and writing dumb stuff in bold letters. Maybe you're not scum after all. syllo seems to care about the game? Is that why he advised against random PoPing and then pushed BM randomly? Is that why he's advocating that others join him in trying to kill BM? You have no basis for your assertion that Cephiro was "irrationally afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Indeed, in no way have you even shown how fear of Palmar getting an item is scummy. All you do is continually assert this single thing over and over, and you of all people should know that is no way to find scum. I find it hard to believe that you are actually town with your stubborn refusal to cooperate so far. | ||
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Why? Because I think he's the most likely to be scum out of the 3 of Cephiro, Sbrabbles, and he. ##pull syllogism I advise anyone with a pull left to consider which one of Cephiro/Sbrabbles/syllo you think is most likely scum. So far merely by the effort put in by these three players, and the tone of their posts, syllogism looks the scummiest to me. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:44 prplhz wrote: Really? wherebugsgo, really? You have been screaming out for hours for me to prove that syllogism is town, how terribly stubborn and useless has that been? Do you really think anything you've said so far makes me scum? I see that you appear to think I have contradicted myself, been stubborn, and refused to give reads, but do you think any of this makes me scum? What a stupid question, of course I think all of those things make you look scum. You could have answered very simply with one word what you meant, but you chose to continue dragging this out. Had you answered simply the first time, perhaps I would never have caught you to begin with! Maybe next time when you roll scum you can consider that. On April 03 2012 09:44 prplhz wrote: Okay. Then lets assume that. If there's 95% chance of the thing that I'm assuming then why are you even complaining? What do you gain by this other than just ruining whatever shred of a case you had against me by proving conclusively that you're just tunneling me? I can understand wherebugsgo, he has some crazy idea that getting on people's nerves will make his read of them better (I totally disagree with that, he's better in observer QTs because he isn't in the game to screw everything up), but why are you doing it? I'm kinda leaning more town on you after reading through your filter. You seems excessively active for a scum, even though a lot of it has been mindless OMGUS aggression against me spurred on by wherebugsgo. If you're leaning town on Cephiro then who is the scum out of Sbrabbles + syllogism + Cephiro? | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think about Wiggles, Bugs? don't really have a strong read on him, to be honest. I'll reread his filter now. From what I saw earlier I didn't find anything suspicious. | ||
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Wiggles, who would you push right now for scum and who would you pull? I know you said you liked syllo for lynch best out of the trio; what do you think of prplhz and Palmar? As a general note I think we need to keep tabs on the missing players right now; notably, Mattchew, BM, and cascades. Out of those 3 I'm most comfortable with killing cascades. | ||
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Wiggles you have less than 2 hours to use your actions. I doubt syllo is even here to be honest, it's night time in Europe. | ||
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Palmar has so far done nothing, but the combination roleblock + push nullification makes it very unlikely he was targetted by a single person, IMO. Even if one person has that role, no one claimed it, and no one seems to be that interested in killing Palmar, so that must mean scum were behind it. So, don't bother regretting it, VE. We need another 3 pulls to kill syllo. Dirkzor can be one, but I don't think there will be anymore. Bluelightz hasn't pulled (which is pretty suspicious) and Zentor is gone, which means no one is likely to die unless cascades or wiggles gets pushed (I'd rather cascades gets pushed) | ||
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On April 03 2012 12:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm okay with any of those 4 dying (syllo, Sbrubbles, Wiggles or cascades) - they all have about the same chance of flipping scum as far as I'm concerned (pretty high). Personally I prefer a syllo/Wiggles double-kill...but that's not feasible with current activity. | ||
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On April 03 2012 14:03 syllogism wrote: That was a sad attempt at getting rid of me. Now that I will actually be around to defend myself against the inane accusations, do actually specifically point out what I've said has been "contradictory" and why "outguessing the mod" is bad and what has been scummy about my play (nothing). WBG you basically lied about me "immediately " considering Cephire town and Cephiro you seem to be selectively pretending to be dumb. I lied about you? I'm excited to see this one. Please explain, syllo. Who would you have killed yesterday? | ||
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