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On April 04 2012 02:27 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm thinking it might be better to ignore sburbbles ceph and syllogism for now.
Even if one of them dies and flip scum, it doesn't actually say anything about the others alignment.
It's good enough that we just have the information that there is evil toys in there.
Um... what? If one of them dies and flips scum, we're that much closer to winning this thing. The point of the game, remember?
(Total WIFOM time, but this post makes me doubt risk's claim for the first time. It's really dumb. It makes me wonder why the red light that we saw is a different one than the one in DFM1. Much less cop-esque. Much more evil-looking.)
However: I think both Sburbbles and Syllo are scummy enough that I'd be perfectly happy with pulling off whichever one of the two ends up closest to the bottom of the queue when our placement is randomized at the beginning of day 2.
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Yes, it didn't matter for my plan whether Palmar was town or not, yesterday. Once the nullification of his power happened, though, I'm now convinced that Palmar is town. (I'm willing to discount the small chance that there is some dumb non-claiming towny with nullifying powers.)
I also think Nemesis is more likely to be town now too, both because he did some helpful stuff later on in the day, and also because his continued tunneling of me is beginning to feel like a more genuine town-but-wrong situation rather than an opportunistic scum-trying-to-wrongly-convince town. If he was scum he'd probably be bandwagoning more on someone else whose already under suspicion.
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On April 04 2012 02:49 Nemesis wrote:
Note how he says he is suspicious of cascades but is not willing to lynch him.
Oh, and this part. My read on cascades is here: link. In short: scummy.
The bit you quoted is me saying that the timing of the PoP on cascades was poor because we hadn't decided for sure on a target yet. As many of us are agreeing now, a lot of us (me definitely included) used our PoPs poorly and in an uncoordinated way on day 1. Hopefully we can do better from here on out.
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@Sbrubbles: you are posting well, but you need to stop and pick someone else to analyze. Pointing the finger at Syllogism is too self-serving for you at the moment. Provide town with more analysis of someone _not_ in your little suspicious group of 3, and maybe you get reconsidered.
What do you think of Bluelightz, for instance?
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@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?
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On April 04 2012 06:20 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote:
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE? because concluding that would be fucking dumb
Layabout confirmed town. ;-)
I'm thinking syllogism, Bluelightz, Mr.Zentor for lynching, in that order.
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On April 04 2012 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
I currently have 0 qualms about killing Tobon.
Why's that Bugs? Lay it out for us.
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On April 04 2012 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
No thanks, I don't explain stuff to scum. Especially not at night.
If I was scum, wouldn't I want you dead before you explained how scummy I was, instead of after, when your death would make your case look like it has that much more weight?
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On April 04 2012 05:52 layabout wrote:
why did risk nuke lie about the red light belonging to him?
and why did risk nuke not bother to explain his ability?
These are very good questions, by the way. The first one especially. The second, I could just see just not doing it in time - I did my stupid PoPs pretty quickly after the light came on.
Especially because risk.nuke is now trying to dissuade us from testing his role claim by killing some of the potential scum that it supposedly revealed:
On April 04 2012 02:27 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm thinking it might be better to ignore sburbbles ceph and syllogism for now.
Even if one of them dies and flip scum, it doesn't actually say anything about the others alignment.
It's good enough that we just have the information that there is evil toys in there.
So Risk, why do you think we should ignore these guys now? And what was your thought process in not wanting to claim the red light initially?
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On April 04 2012 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
No thanks, I don't explain stuff to scum. Especially not at night.
On April 04 2012 06:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Who says I won't be explaining it later? There's still plenty of time left in this night.
So you don't explain at night, except that you do explain at night?
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On April 04 2012 08:06 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I wanted to leave it until tomorrow, but it's probably worth the discussion, so here's my reads.
Leading the scumomenter are Sbrubbles and Bluelightz, for reasons posted earlier.
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Tobon: extremely useless posts.
You don't know how hard it is to resist replying to that with something extremely useless! So there, that part is extremely useless, now let's move on.
How do you square Sbrubbles being number one on your scumometer now, with this post:
On April 03 2012 07:26 Acrofales wrote:
No. I disagree with both lynches atm. The case on Syllo seems to be just meta and I don't know him long enough to say anything. In GoT mafia he was disinterested and played a similar style, but he was town there (of course, he was a hydra with Sandroba, so not a very good read). The case for Sbrubbles was that he's a lurker and hasn't done anything useful. He seems to be back and posting more actively.
... especially since Sbrubbles has posted even more actively after you wrote that?
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I was going to suggest we agree on pulling Syllo down to the bottom, and as soon as enough people agreed, we'd all do our pulls. Now that we're in the dark and can't know how many it will take, I don't see any reason not to just do it.
I'll be pulling Syllo in 5-10 minutes unless people tell me it's a bad idea.
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On April 04 2012 13:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
let's push Tobon and pull syllo lol
I agree with half your plan. :-) Are we going to get to see your reasoning on me, now that it isn't night?
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On April 04 2012 13:29 Cephiro wrote:
Also Tobon, please do not use your pull on syllo yet. I should be able to kill him if you help me.
I am certainly willing to wait. You want to be pushed, then?
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Okay. I am hereby promising to push Cephiro and (should his plan fail or it otherwise becomes necessary) pull Syllo.
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Now, that having been said: Assuming that your power is some sort of swapping ability, so you end up safe and someone else ends up in the fire zone, doesn't it require the same number (well, similar number, since we don't know actual positions) of PoPs to get you there as it would require to get the presumed scum there? So is the advantage only that you get the item as well? Or is there something more clever going on here?
And I suppose feel free not to answer if it reveals too much, I just want to know if we could fry scum with the same PoPs and save your power for a day when you could see what you were doing...
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On April 04 2012 13:39 Snarfs wrote:
Why would scum kill Sbrubbles unless they want syllo to die? It doesn't make sense....
There's also the possibility that we had a mistaken town vig. Sbrubbles was under suspicion, I could imagine him getting killed by a towny with poor judgement.
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For informational purposes, given the random locations on day 1, it would take 3-8 pushes to get someone into the fire zone:
3,4,5,5,5,5,5,6,6,6,6,6,7,7,7,8,8,8,8,8
It would take 6-11 pulls to pull someone off the bottom end:
6,7,7,7,7,7,8,8,8,9,9,9,9,9,10,10,10,10,10,11
That gives us the sort of numbers we'll need to work with to lynch. To get Cephiro to the item is potentially up to 4 spots more, so 7-12.
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EBWOP: Congratulations Nemesis! If you are lucky, your 3-push may already have killed me! 
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On April 04 2012 13:53 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 13:49 Tobon wrote:EBWOP: Congratulations Nemesis! If you are lucky, your 3-push may already have killed me! Hopefully the flamethrower grew so there's an even better chance 
Ah, I'd forgotten about that wrinkle. So are you in the Tobon-is-scum camp, Snarfs? Cuz I'm not.
If we get one scum along with me dying, that would be a fair trade, but obviously I'd prefer to live through the day, so I'm at your disposal should you have any questions. You too, Bugs.
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