EPTWill there be time to join GM's same after this is done? Or is this likely to coincide with TL Mafia LI game start? (I only ask because I'd rather play non-themed games to build my experience up)
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Will there be time to join GM's same after this is done? Or is this likely to coincide with TL Mafia LI game start? (I only ask because I'd rather play non-themed games to build my experience up) | ||
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On March 26 2012 18:46 zelblade wrote: I would prefer the deadline to be 11:00KST since 7:00KST happens to be something like 15minutes before I wake up usually -.- Anything is fine though, waking up a little earlier wont be much of a big deal. 7KST for us poor... lonely europeans  | ||
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 . If my humble opinion means anything, I think lying and lurking are just two of many factors to consider when deciding on town's best lynch. I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly). I'll have some more precise questions in the morning. TTFN | ||
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I agree with people's view that discussing the setup is not useful as it detracts from scumhunting. If people want me to explain why I started with the topic here are my reasons: + Show Spoiler +
Had a quick look at Blazinghand's filter as he seems to have initiated the most reactions from people... and that's just it, getting people's reactions can only be good for town. This being said, once you have those reactions you have analyse in a rigorous and systematic way (to prevent chaotic namecalling and mass-hysteria), something I'm not sure Blazinghand has done yet but perhaps at this early stage there is no need to. So onto more contemporary topics: C_C: Until he responds I don't want to feed him any excuses as he needs to respond himself as that nationality slip needs to be addressed as it only hurts town. Gonzaw: @VE I know you weren't asking me in particular but I'd rather add to a new topic of conversation than clog up discussion with old ones. I don't see anything suspicious, neither do I see anything particularly useful to town apart from this: Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. Which I know is a bit of a 'duh, anyone who read the OP and has a brain would realise that' moment, but ensuring that town is clear on how to win (or in this case not lose) can only be pro-town right? | ||
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On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. So, a huge assumption on BH, I think there isn't enough evidence on anyone being 'catapulted' into a townie read. All the other reads could be summarised as: 'people haven't contributed enough; its Day 1'... | ||
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1. Have been busy with uni 2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below. The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch. Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW: BH, cool your jets. johnnywup is pretty new. Give him a chance to get acclimated before you throw all your weight at him. Go look at my case on C_C. I realize you're trying to ignore me because you disagree with my tactics, but have a little faith. Go take a look. and Jdub, don't worry about BH. If he's town then he's "pressuring" you. Don't feed the trolls, ya know? If he's scum then you're only serving to make yourself suspicious by continuing to defend yourself for no reason. I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence: Attention: EchelonTee is not my lynch of choice. I'm compromising for the good of the town. Thank you. I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally. What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy. Finally I don't like this: Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire. VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed. At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument. Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese | ||
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I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. | ||
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On March 28 2012 23:10 johnnywup wrote: he was mocking me here. he wasnt defending/buddying me, he was pissed at me. If you read my post (I realise its a bit long) I am not stating that he was buddying at that stage, more that he was willing to forego a (in his opinion) stronger case against C_C for your (very much) weaker case against ET. That is bad play as you always have to stick with who you believe is most likely going to flip scum. VE defends himself as he wished to go for a town consensus but we hadn't reached that stage where you and he were dividing votes. | ||
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Re your case against blue: he's sheeping... that seems to be basically all you are saying. Day 1 has so little info to work with that it's normal to agree what's been said before. That said in Werewolves II he was much more aggressive early game. But I don't like relying on meta as am such a new player... seems a flimsy way of going about hunting scum. I don't like this: On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote: My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself. I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint. VE should have let Blue defend himself (similarly to how he acted with JW), it would have given us far more interesting information/possible tells/ scumslips. VE is spraying this thread with his ego and I think its bad play. The only reason I'm not voting for him is I think its less likely that Mafia would actively defend someone on this thread as they have their own QT to coach one another allowing BL or JW to post their own defence. Note that I said less likely, not impossible. I also admit theres a slight element of WIFOM in that reasoning. I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information: 1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases 2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases One rogue element I'm struggling in dealing with is BH... I will be reading his filter over the next few hours. @everyone: this is my 3rd game, I got shot in my 2nd game N1. My logic therefore might not be up to scratch and am more than willing to listen as to how I may be wrong. I am not a stubborn person if confronted with strong evidence and sound reasoning but OMGUS-ing and general name-calling will make me think you are a dick and I therefore will be less inclined to listen to you. | ||
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On March 29 2012 00:46 johnnywup wrote: no, he was never willing to change his vote. he never planned on keeping his vote on ET, he was mocking my vote. (at least thats how i understand it) Re-read the thread, you're wrong. | ||
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On March 29 2012 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Froggy, I'm playing the way I'm playing because it's allowing me to get a read on people. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's not, strictly speaking, "bad play"...it's only bad if it doesn't get results...which we don't know yet. I'm sorry I'm intimidating...but I think you'll find that I'm cuddly...like the world's softest cuddliest grizzly bear. I never said you were a bad player, just that I disagreed with some of your decisions e.g. defending JW and BL. Your case on C_C , as my vote attests to, is pretty good for day 1, or at least I feel that his lynch will give us some good information. | ||
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On March 29 2012 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: What's with the explosion in activity froggy? I couldn't help but notice this came DIRECTLY after a day-long lurkfest and me asking others what they thought of you. Coincidence? Coincidence? Yes and no. Yes: I've explained my lack of activity yesterday due to RL commitments, I also thought the thread was chaos, first due to BH, then due to you and people were OMGUS-ing quite hard, thus making a noobie like me less likely to stick his head out. No: I know that I'm townie, therefore it is in (my and) town's interests for me to do my best to assuage any suspicions so that we can lynch scum. Also, as you can see from my first wall of text, I partly blame myself for your dominating of the thread and weakening town's general position so... here I am. | ||
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On March 29 2012 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't so much "defend" Blue, only pointed out why C_C's case on him was awful... You are playing on semantics: attacking C_C's case on Blue is the same as defending Blue from C_C's attacks. Regardless, you have to admit that it would have been more valuable to town if you'd allowed Blue to post some content, particularly as I find his posts so far to be surprisingly lacking (though perhaps he hasn't been given the opportunity... which he would have had had you let him). | ||
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However I feel like you are misunderstanding me, nothing I have said criticises your case on C_C, nothing I have criticised you on refers to your read on him. Surely I can agree with you on C_C but disagree with some of your other decisions? Again I'm confused at your answer, I was not criticising your post count... If anything I was criticising others and myself for not contributing enough. I feel like either I'm not being clear (which is very possible), | ||
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Am in class until an hour before deadline so hopefully will post my thoughts just before in case I yet again die N1. @ BH: What should we do should if we don't have any Vigs? I feel like there are juicier scum targets than him. I guess he'll have 48hrs to defend himself. | ||
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On March 30 2012 07:00 EchelonTee wrote: #2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C. I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have): @C_C: Yes I've pointed out VE's faults, but he's contributed a lot to town, more than you, and you haven't answered for your faults that have been listed out comprehensively, and in my eyes are more telling. Also my above reasoning does not necessarily lead to scum play and could just be aggressive/wild town play. I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing: ##Vote Sinensis | ||
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On March 30 2012 12:02 gonzaw wrote: Why don't you post cases against those players and me? So far this Day 2 you have just been defending yourself and bickered with Nemensis, you haven't posted any cases, or thorough reads or thoughts. Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him. Sorry for late reply, manic day at work. @ Gonzaw: Please do not defend me, I don't need your buddying. I had the same gripe with VE defending JW and Blue. @ Sinensis: I did not sheep you, I agreed with the analysis and thought you weren't defending yourself properly because you were scum... guess what I still think you are scum, you know why? Because you just OMGUS-ed me... again. And have continuously failed to address BH's case against you. Just because he is dead does not mean his case will go away. @ET: For the upteenth town. My post about VE was not a scum post, I was warning against him taking a town leader role. Which with hindsight looks like I was pretty darn right as 1. He flipped town 2. the thread is now in chaos because two of our most vocal scumhunters/town leaders are dead. More to follow as I read the thread... | ||
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@Blue: 3C is causing less havoc than Sinensis and Mr Zentor at the moment. That is why unless they start defending themselves properly I see them as better lynch targets. Remember the 'no useless townie' post VE made: On March 27 2012 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote: ET: I'm going to share with you a post from PTP1. A little backstory: it was like my second game here and I was still REALLY bad at this game. Like, real bad. But the one thing I had going for me was my willingness to go after site veterans if I thought they were acting shady. I had just smoked BloodyC0bbler because he led a lynch on me and that shit pissed me off. I thought I was clearly town and this guy gets everyone in town to vote for me. So I killed him. Jackal58 was in that game and he posted this. It changed the way I viewed this game, and it made me realize something very important: there's no such thing as a useless townie. Someone actively bad at the game, who disagrees with obvious townies and helps scum push their objectives, even they help town by BEING ALIVE. Scum's win-condition is based on NUMBERS. That's why they say the lynch is town's greatest weapon: because scum can't stop the lynch by any means. If we start feeding "useless townies" to the lynch, then that reduces town's number by one, putting scum one step closer to victory. In short, I don't know yet if johnnywup is scum, but he's certainly not scummy enough to lynch yet. DEFINITELY not for the reasons Blazinghand has stated. Until you disprove this 3C is less of a lynch target. JW has been quiet today. Where you at? | ||
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dude... this actually forces me to vote for you... if you flip town this you are so stupid. ##Unvote ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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On March 31 2012 12:17 EchelonTee wrote: Hmmm.... froggy I've re-read that post multiple times now. you're wrong that town shouldn't try and take a leadership role (it's really important to have leadership or at least direction) and comparing it to when Palmar wrecked town is an implicit reference to the potential of VE to be scum, but this is one of the most sensible tidbits posted this game. high 5 There's a difference between making sure town is being pro-active and dominating the thread with your own agenda. I'll try and explain more in when I wake up (its 5 am here...). Good night/morning froggynoddy | ||
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Gratz. ##Unvote ##Vote cccalf | ||
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On April 01 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote: I'm here too. Now that I think about it, if I was SU Doctor I would never claim at this point, no matter if someone else (in this case Zentor) claimed it as well. Once I get killed at night (and scum have a 100% chance of hitting me, assuming there are no other doctors), then it would reduce the number of SU players by 1, and rid town of any Doctors. So yeah, the real doctor wouldn't counterclaim. @froggy: If he's mafia, he got pinned down by me on N1, and decided to troll the hell out of D2 and fake-claim SU Doctor to draw the real doctor out, and survive one more day. This would mean that once the real doctor claims, they can off him and we will waste all D3 in lynching Zentor as well. sloosh, I really hope you are right. ##Unvote: cccalf ##Vote: MrZentor sorry didn't reas your post. If the two others switch their votes that makes me more comfortable: ##Unvote ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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On April 01 2012 06:25 slOosh wrote: Do you honestly think that we would let someone who does that go without intense scrutiny, especially that we have talked about it in detail right now? Don't let fear dictate your actions - use reasoning and logic. Heh, ... isn't it ironic that this game is called "The Sum of All Fears" .... Nice. You and gonzaw convinced me. Lets hope we're right about this. | ||
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On April 01 2012 07:03 gonzaw wrote: wtf? sloosh, I thought YOU were the SU Doctor!! fuck yeah thatas what I guessed too | ||
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PREAMBLE: If you wish to dispute any points I make, do not argue 'But froggy some of these points apply to you too'. Rather say 'froggy, you are wrong because either 1. your logic is wrong because of X and Y or 2. Your evidence is flawed because of Z. Dismissing anything I write because you think I'm scum is a scum move i.e. OMGUS-ing, unless you can back it up by 1. or 2. I present to you my strongest of three scum-reads (in order of conviction): I. Bluelights (or lurking the Nazi way) As opposed to 3C (who we have no info on), BL has been posting the absolute minimum, enough to appear less scummy than 3C (or at least more active), and, lets be honest, with VE/BH Day 1 townie-induced chaos and Mr Z's Day 2 townie induced-chaos Mafia had no reason to post anything risky (i.e. sowing the seeds of discord themselves... as we were doing that ourselves). His first post of content was this: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. About as sheepish as it gets, posting who he thinks is townie, thus appearing to be pro-town but in fact contributing nothing. Don't get me wrong, knowing who you think is town is good, but if that is all you contribute then town is not going to win. HIs reads are also oddly certain, it seems like an easy scum move to post who you know is town, so that when they flip you can go 'hey see how townie I am!'. As town, and that early on there was no way making such 'certain' town reads. All his next posts throughout day 1 are 'who he thinks is town' posts. Absolutely useless day 1. Gives no content and adds nothing. He then sheeps on ET, proceeds to sheeps C_C (ok... we all did so not a factor) and says that actually he thinks ET is town (wtf). Day 2 he posts this: If you guys would like to lynch gonzaw, that would be fine with me, Ill change my vote asap if you guys do want to. Some more reads, I think that Nemesis is town, he has been following discussion, not lurking, has provided reason for his vote on Cyber_Cheese. Wtf! Thats not even sheeping whilst agreeing with someone's case (something we all pretty much did Day 1), its unconditional sheeping. This IMHO is the scummiest post I've seen so far. He then proceeds to want to kill 3C for lurking, an easy lynch to bandwagon, whether 3C is town or scum. The rest of his posts are oneliners. Part 2 to follow... (in an hour or so, giving people enough time to respond appropriately; I don't like multi-case posts) | ||
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Also, Gonzaw, what do you think sloosh's death means? I'm seeing it as WIFOM with regards to ET's alignment. What do you think. @Nemesis: what... the ... fuck: Anyways we have to vote together. The DT should probably roleclaim right now since we are in LYLO. Don't reveal all your claims though if your ability is similar to sloosh. Reveal only what you need to, that is if the lynch targets today are innocent or guilty. US DT, do not do this. This is a stupid move. If perhaps both of you were still alive the info might be worth the risk (especially if we had two SU left...) but definitely not with just one of you. Also: slOosh, you are KGB Agent (Soviet Union)! You can choose to investigate one player every night. At beginning of the next day, you will receive Innocent result for those who have SU nationality and Guilty result for those who do not. You know there is two Godfather role in this game. Don't forget you have to PM both Hassybaby and me. You win when all threats to town are eliminated. If there are 2 GF's then his checks are pretty worthless (assuming GF return as Innocent), unless we get to like Day 5+... ##Vote Sinensis | ||
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I get the feeling there's some kind of scum DT role that can check alignment, or else how would they know which is us/su? Unless its just blind luck. Its possible, especially considering the NUKE on BH. Absolutely useless to discuss now. | ||
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On April 02 2012 08:08 EchelonTee wrote: bro I got an open mic night to attend to, I'll re-read when I get back. my scumreads stand at DYH/froggy with the notion that I will reconsider my opinion on SInensis Post your case, throwing random unsupported suspicions around is anti-town. Can we have an agreement that any suspicions be backed up by a case/reasons (which can include someone elses case on him, unless that has been adequately defended against)? Saying X is scum, Y is townie with no backing only promotes confusion as there is no way for the suspect to respond. Also, if the accuser is wrong, it allows Town to identify possible scum slips. I don't know how many times I can say this but: judging DYH on 3C's behaviour is stupid as apart from the fact that he did not contribute, at all, not even enough to stay in the game (which to me sounds more like bored townie than noob mafia), we have no information. DYH please be active or I may change my mind. | ||
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On April 02 2012 13:35 johnnywup wrote: Sinensis, any reason you're voting DYH other than that he replaced the very inactive ccc? The fact that he didn't post much means (in my eyes) hes probably town because if he was scum, scum would tell him to post more..but i dunno. WIFOM maybe but I don't think they'd WIFOM like that and tell someone to get modkilled/replaced lol. Its not so much WIFOM as making assumptions about someone's inactivity. It seems to me like its simply more likely for a vanilla town to get bored. not engage in the game as for scum. | ||
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Regardless I think there are 2, maybe three people here that show more scumminess than simple inactivity (which as previously mentioned i.e. Jackal post means nothing or at least very little) | ||
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On April 02 2012 10:56 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: DoYouHas Looks like I'm going to die trying, and I'm okay with that. This is possibly the biggest scum slip you've made so far. I would have preferred a BL lynch than you at this point just because I'm more sure of him flipping Nazi, not anymore. This is LYLO, only you know for sure whether you are town (if you are town), so to say I'm going to vote without defending myself even if it means I die (when in fact it means the end of the game, were you town) is about the scummiest reaction ever. You and BL, even maybe ET (though ET at least tried to defend himself) have far better cases than simply 'he didn't post = scum'. Am going to work, will hopefully post in three or so hours. | ||
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On April 02 2012 19:19 zelblade wrote: Assuming that sin does indeed flip mafia, I presume that that should clear DYH as town too since there was no point in starting a long term bus plan when the mafia team wasnt even close to being threatended yet. This logic is bad. We simply don't KNOW about 3C/DYH, whilst we DO have information on other players which makes them better lynch targets than DYH. That does not mean DYH isn't scum, just less likely to be with the information we have at this time. It could be just very clever scum play to tunnel an inactive scum player (WIFOM), though to me it still seems more likely that he's just picking the easiest alternative. | ||
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The majority is worked out by the total VOTERS not players i.e. those not voting do not affect the majority. (I believe this is correct :s) | ||
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5. This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the number of total voters, rounded down + 1). In case of tie, first player to the highest vote will be lynched. If no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. Those who not voted at the deadline will either be replaced or mod-killed. | ||
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Reverse all kill coming up. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On April 04 2012 10:10 Hesmyrr wrote: Thanks to everyone for playing my game! Theme I wanted to go for in this game was two formerly antagonistic factions forced to work together in face of common enemy. You can see this in my design for PR. The cops are extremely weakened because they classify players of different nationality also as 'enemy' (Hint to anyone that might wish to join my future games: I despise alignment checks. You can always expect them to be weakened to throw some doubt in the investigation result). Doctors as had been pointed out actually work better in absence of their partner, though of course if there had been obvious town leader they would've been pretty good. The blues were probably weak, but - like most of my setups - their value was in its claim-ability anyway. Because all power role were in pairs it required scum to invest two players in order to fake claim. PR could also be expected to claim and meet lessened suspicion because of this fact. Considering that scum also want to shoot good players, these four power roles can become hindrance merely by existing; I thought town would be in decent position if cccalf had been lynched D2 and mafia forced to waste their shot on decidedly mediocre MrZentor. That is why I found the hypothesis that there might be six blue roles in the game surprising because role claim downright breaks the game. In fact, this set-up was initially open setup until Foolishness wisely pointed out mass role-claim D1 would be too strong. As in regards to the game itself, both QT contain extra analyses I could never hope to give. It was mostly straight-forward anyway; the mafia outplayed the town. One example of why ability to separate poor player from scum is more important than one might think. All the discussion about Cyber_Cheese applies here. Thanks for hosting, I do agree with others that this set up was kinda hard for town, but that's not a criticism in my eyes. Maybe allowing PMs would be interesting as this would allow for Power Roles to be more effective (e.g. one DT declares on thread, medics can protect him, other DT can contact him privately), just a thought. Would love to play in your games in the future regardless of theme :D Well played Gonzaw, I had you pegged as town (as well as C3 i fact... am going to have to seriously analyse those assumptions I was making), I should have identified you as soft buddying me, congratulations you have no made me paranoid in all future games  . You guys used 3C's abseteeism well. Good kills N1 (that and NrZ's trolling fucked everything up for town IMO). I had BL and ET pegged though (got a read+guilty check with high far higher likelihood of Mafia giving me a guilty read). thanks for the game all, hopefully will improve in future games. gg | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On April 04 2012 13:19 Blazinghand wrote: I find giving up, ESPECIALLY at LYLO, to be unforgivable for a townie. If you give up, that means you stop playing to your wincon. I don't know how anyone finds this to be acceptable play. Even when there's almost no chance whatsoever to stop your own lynch, and even if it's LYLO and the game is about to be over, you die with your finger on the motherfucking trigger and push your scumreads. Anything less is a death without honor. Yeah I honestly believe that MrZ, Sinensis and to a lesser degree C_C went against this: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. Thus fucking up any clean reads we could have made on them. However I realise I really wasn't the most pro-active player, but this will hopefully change as I become more confident in playing the game. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
. I was not finger pointing as I think we all got outplayed (having noobs like me doesn't help:s), I just felt that Mr Z and Sinensis rlly screwed with my reads.re C_C: I was referring to the flag and to a lesser degree the diagrams... if you read the OP then its clear soft-claiming nationality is playing against town. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:42 MrZentor wrote: I still don't see why you guys killed me when nobody counter claimed SU doctor. I thought slOosh was claiming he was SU medic by making his case against you. It was a mistake though. | ||
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