EPTWill there be time to join GM's same after this is done? Or is this likely to coincide with TL Mafia LI game start? (I only ask because I'd rather play non-themed games to build my experience up)
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froggynoddy
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Will there be time to join GM's same after this is done? Or is this likely to coincide with TL Mafia LI game start? (I only ask because I'd rather play non-themed games to build my experience up) | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 26 2012 18:46 zelblade wrote: I would prefer the deadline to be 11:00KST since 7:00KST happens to be something like 15minutes before I wake up usually -.- Anything is fine though, waking up a little earlier wont be much of a big deal. 7KST for us poor... lonely europeans  | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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 . If my humble opinion means anything, I think lying and lurking are just two of many factors to consider when deciding on town's best lynch. I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly). I'll have some more precise questions in the morning. TTFN | ||
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froggynoddy
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I agree with people's view that discussing the setup is not useful as it detracts from scumhunting. If people want me to explain why I started with the topic here are my reasons: + Show Spoiler +
Had a quick look at Blazinghand's filter as he seems to have initiated the most reactions from people... and that's just it, getting people's reactions can only be good for town. This being said, once you have those reactions you have analyse in a rigorous and systematic way (to prevent chaotic namecalling and mass-hysteria), something I'm not sure Blazinghand has done yet but perhaps at this early stage there is no need to. So onto more contemporary topics: C_C: Until he responds I don't want to feed him any excuses as he needs to respond himself as that nationality slip needs to be addressed as it only hurts town. Gonzaw: @VE I know you weren't asking me in particular but I'd rather add to a new topic of conversation than clog up discussion with old ones. I don't see anything suspicious, neither do I see anything particularly useful to town apart from this: Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. Which I know is a bit of a 'duh, anyone who read the OP and has a brain would realise that' moment, but ensuring that town is clear on how to win (or in this case not lose) can only be pro-town right? | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. So, a huge assumption on BH, I think there isn't enough evidence on anyone being 'catapulted' into a townie read. All the other reads could be summarised as: 'people haven't contributed enough; its Day 1'... | ||
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froggynoddy
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1. Have been busy with uni 2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below. The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch. Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW: BH, cool your jets. johnnywup is pretty new. Give him a chance to get acclimated before you throw all your weight at him. Go look at my case on C_C. I realize you're trying to ignore me because you disagree with my tactics, but have a little faith. Go take a look. and Jdub, don't worry about BH. If he's town then he's "pressuring" you. Don't feed the trolls, ya know? If he's scum then you're only serving to make yourself suspicious by continuing to defend yourself for no reason. I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence: Attention: EchelonTee is not my lynch of choice. I'm compromising for the good of the town. Thank you. I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally. What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy. Finally I don't like this: Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire. VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed. At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument. Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese | ||
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froggynoddy
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I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. | ||
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On March 28 2012 23:10 johnnywup wrote: he was mocking me here. he wasnt defending/buddying me, he was pissed at me. If you read my post (I realise its a bit long) I am not stating that he was buddying at that stage, more that he was willing to forego a (in his opinion) stronger case against C_C for your (very much) weaker case against ET. That is bad play as you always have to stick with who you believe is most likely going to flip scum. VE defends himself as he wished to go for a town consensus but we hadn't reached that stage where you and he were dividing votes. | ||
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froggynoddy
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Re your case against blue: he's sheeping... that seems to be basically all you are saying. Day 1 has so little info to work with that it's normal to agree what's been said before. That said in Werewolves II he was much more aggressive early game. But I don't like relying on meta as am such a new player... seems a flimsy way of going about hunting scum. I don't like this: On March 28 2012 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote: My responses to your bluelightz case are bolded. You're going to be lynched today, if you're town you'd better come up with some better reasoning than this if you expect to save yourself. I expected more C_C. I am dissapoint. VE should have let Blue defend himself (similarly to how he acted with JW), it would have given us far more interesting information/possible tells/ scumslips. VE is spraying this thread with his ego and I think its bad play. The only reason I'm not voting for him is I think its less likely that Mafia would actively defend someone on this thread as they have their own QT to coach one another allowing BL or JW to post their own defence. Note that I said less likely, not impossible. I also admit theres a slight element of WIFOM in that reasoning. I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information: 1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases 2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases One rogue element I'm struggling in dealing with is BH... I will be reading his filter over the next few hours. @everyone: this is my 3rd game, I got shot in my 2nd game N1. My logic therefore might not be up to scratch and am more than willing to listen as to how I may be wrong. I am not a stubborn person if confronted with strong evidence and sound reasoning but OMGUS-ing and general name-calling will make me think you are a dick and I therefore will be less inclined to listen to you. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 29 2012 00:46 johnnywup wrote: no, he was never willing to change his vote. he never planned on keeping his vote on ET, he was mocking my vote. (at least thats how i understand it) Re-read the thread, you're wrong. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 29 2012 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Froggy, I'm playing the way I'm playing because it's allowing me to get a read on people. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's not, strictly speaking, "bad play"...it's only bad if it doesn't get results...which we don't know yet. I'm sorry I'm intimidating...but I think you'll find that I'm cuddly...like the world's softest cuddliest grizzly bear. I never said you were a bad player, just that I disagreed with some of your decisions e.g. defending JW and BL. Your case on C_C , as my vote attests to, is pretty good for day 1, or at least I feel that his lynch will give us some good information. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 29 2012 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: What's with the explosion in activity froggy? I couldn't help but notice this came DIRECTLY after a day-long lurkfest and me asking others what they thought of you. Coincidence? Coincidence? Yes and no. Yes: I've explained my lack of activity yesterday due to RL commitments, I also thought the thread was chaos, first due to BH, then due to you and people were OMGUS-ing quite hard, thus making a noobie like me less likely to stick his head out. No: I know that I'm townie, therefore it is in (my and) town's interests for me to do my best to assuage any suspicions so that we can lynch scum. Also, as you can see from my first wall of text, I partly blame myself for your dominating of the thread and weakening town's general position so... here I am. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On March 29 2012 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't so much "defend" Blue, only pointed out why C_C's case on him was awful... You are playing on semantics: attacking C_C's case on Blue is the same as defending Blue from C_C's attacks. Regardless, you have to admit that it would have been more valuable to town if you'd allowed Blue to post some content, particularly as I find his posts so far to be surprisingly lacking (though perhaps he hasn't been given the opportunity... which he would have had had you let him). | ||
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froggynoddy
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froggynoddy
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However I feel like you are misunderstanding me, nothing I have said criticises your case on C_C, nothing I have criticised you on refers to your read on him. Surely I can agree with you on C_C but disagree with some of your other decisions? Again I'm confused at your answer, I was not criticising your post count... If anything I was criticising others and myself for not contributing enough. I feel like either I'm not being clear (which is very possible), | ||
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