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The only viable lynches to me today are Sinensis and Bluelightz. JW alleviated my initial suspicion of him sufficiently by the time I finished reading.
Bluelightz, one post in particular caught my attention and largely flew under the radar:
On March 31 2012 08:57 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay I admit, I made many contradictions >_> have buddied VE on d1, on the vote switch I didn't understand that >.<, but, have I done anything to help town? I shared my reads, tried to start discussion, have added to discussion, etc
This was when MrZentor's craziness was in full swing, which is why I guess it did not receive the proper attention at the time. This, to me, is the equivalent of Blue putting his hands up and saying, "Yep, ya got me. I have done multiple scummy things.". He gets pressured a bit for it immediately afterward, but it is largely dropped. He admits to 3 scummy actions that remain scummy whether he acknowledges them or not. Posting many contradictions, actively buddying VE, and sheeping VE hard. And as for the other half of his claim? He shared a town read on ET, a desire to lynch ccc, and sowed suspicion on Gonzaw without pushing him for a lynch. Most everything else he has 'added' to the discussion has been sheeping and echoing back other people's statements.
Then we have Sinensis, my vote is going to him because if he is not scum then this game is already over. I also agree with slOosh's case against Sinensis and I don't want to be the one splitting the focus in LYLO. But those reasons are secondary. From where I stand, with it being LYLO and Sinensis stubbornly refusing to vote anyone but me, the game is already over if Sinensis is town. I have to vote him, and I'm happy to after reading his scummy behavior.
##Vote: Sinensis
After Sinensis is lynched we need to lynch Blue. I could easily see them being scumbuddies with posts like this interaction:
On March 27 2012 14:33 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,
I'm gonna take more looks at people,
Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.
IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up. IMO I find Bluelightz generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, I feel he needs to step up. Did you notice I couldn't even mock you fully because you've managed to contribute less than me?
Which makes it look like they are hostile towards eachother, but that is proven to be false when he posts this:
On March 28 2012 14:06 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, scum are trying to mislynch you Blue. No biggie, it happens ^^ Every game I have played with Bluelightz this happens. I would go so far as to say voting for Bluelightz day 1 is a scum tell on TL mafia.
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Going to sleep now.
The lynch is basically locked in at this point, but if you are town still vote for sinesis please. We are not risking some sort of mass vote switch at the end of the day.
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Oh and one last thing yes bluelightz is scum. Bleh, think I had a wrong read day 1. Considering that he has time to be relatively active (around the time of this post at least) in DF2 and cant even answer a simple question of his strongest scumread apart sinesis shows that hes probably scum.
We have got 2 scum locked down I believe, now all thats left to worry about is the last two (and the mafia alt win con.. but no point mulling over it). I need to go look through fliters and stuff again tomorrow but I feel that the last 2 scum are ET and froggy.
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@zelblade, you said you wanted a detailed write-up....... And I can't be in two tabs with a black berry. Anyway, short answer is gonzawbecause he never fully escalates from posting I.e me is scummy. I can make a more detailed explanation once my wifi gets fixed......
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@Mods: Oh right, forgot it was only about total voters 
Okay, it seems we arrived at an agreement.
If you are a townie DON'T VOTE ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN SINENSIS!
If you are a townie, and the day ends with you voting another townie, then scum can make a last-minute switch towards this player and instantly win the game.
This happened on Newbie IV where I was scum, and I'm sure scum already thought about it, so ALL of us need to be on Sinensis by the time the day ends.
If one of us IS NOT on Sinensis, but Sinensis is still lynched and flips red, it either means you are scum, or your target is scum (since scum wouldn't switch their votes at the last minute).
So unless your vote is on Bluelightz or lucky enough to be on one of the other 2 scum, then just don't risk us the game and keep your vote on Sinensis.
@Blue: I'm wondering what explanation you could give that I'm scum by this point lol
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@DYH: What do you think about other players then?
I agree that we have plenty of time finding the remaining scum though lol (assuming Blue is scum and we lynch him tomorrow).
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bump
Don't let this game go yellow 
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Sorry dude, am travelling all of tomorrow to get home for easter break. Will hopefully post before deadline to see what people are saying. Stick on Sinensis today, anyone who doesn't is scum unless they somehow convincingly defend the cases on Sinensis (highly unlikely).
Reverse all kill coming up.
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I'm reluctant to speculate too much before Sinensis's lynch. If I add 1-2 more people I think are scum right now then I have practically a fully fleshed out scum list before even 1 red has flipped. Doing exactly that is what screwed me last time I was in LYLO. I don't want to alienate a townie by presenting a full scum team that may not be totally accurate.
I'm thinking ahead lynch wise, but I want to keep my focus small scale. Sinensis lynch + Bluelightz scum case today, Bluelightz lynch + a new scum case tomorrow.
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Yeah, I don't see any way sinensis is getting away from this lynch. I think we should concentrate our efforts on digging up scum tells from Bluelightz (and others you may find suspicious). Then, after sinensis is lynched, we'll see who is the best pick for a lynch tomorrow.
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RE: Sinensis
I've read the Sinensis's cases, of which Nemesis has posted the most about, catalogued here.
The reasons why I didn't agree with the main aspects of the cases, which are
1. bad reasoning for voting C_C and DYH/cccalf
2. unwilling to take a stance / scumhunt
is because #1 applies to almost everyone in the game, and while #2 is true in some respects, I still find Sinensis's tone forthright and committal overall, such as in these posts:
On March 27 2012 16:03 Sinensis wrote:So what changed? Or do you not like being in the same voting boat as johnny? You defended him earlier. On March 28 2012 12:00 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is? It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality. Explain how the segregating names in his graphic based on nationality does anything to help scum or hurt town? Mafia wins if they kill every citizen of one nationality. Dividing reads by nationality supports that agenda. On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: Blazinghand
Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.
Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.
#1: points out my unexplained unvote, assertive.
#2: has a slightly legitimate reason for voting C_C
#3: makes an early push on BH whereas many players have been generally sheeping.
However it's true that he has mostly just been questioning around and not providing reads (#1), his reason for voting C_C is loose (#2), and his push on BH was an badly formed OMGUS (#3). Posts like this:
On March 31 2012 13:44 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:
ladies and gentlemen, i present our host!
lol
Is situational voting allowed? In C9++ they weren't, so wondering
If they are allowed, I'm willing to vote for c3 if he votes and posts today, or if there is enough interest in it. at the moment zentor or ccc are ok votes by me.
and its very likely they're bussing him if hes scum, which i think he is. Show nested quote +Voting List (Updated up to March 31 2012 08:34)
[Format] Player with vote on him/her will be bolded; player with the majority will be red.
MrZentor (7): gonzaw, slOosh, EchelonTee, zelblade, johnnywup, froggynoddy, Nemesis
cccalf (2): Sinensis, Bluelightz
Sinensis (0): Nemesis froggynoddy
Not voted
MrZentor
cccalf Look. There are 7 votes for zentor. So unless me and/or Bluelightz are scum, which for the sake of this argument we are not, then there are three scum voting for MrZentor right now. Would mafia vote for mafia? On March 31 2012 13:11 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 13:07 johnnywup wrote:
anyways, thats a valid excuse imo. don't fret, you've got a bunch of time to clear your name
also, i would like to know your thoughts on who you think is scum though. 4 scummiest people, in your opinion, and why? Sure. 1st suspicion is cccalf because he does nothing. Then froggy, gonzaw, zentor and zelblade for less provable reasons, mostly just context stuff I picked up here and there. I am aware that is five people and not four. I wanted to give you all of them though. On March 31 2012 12:45 Sinensis wrote:
I'm more inclined to go MrZentor's way and just not co operate with you guys, if that means getting lynched so be it. My vote is staying on cccalf. Period.
Showcase how Sinensis has been
#1: soft defending bluelightz needlessly and using faulty logic
#2: has completely, utterly unsupported reads that just list half the players in the game
#3: absolute apathy
While scum/town can act differently to high pressure and apathy isn't a direct scum tell, the synthesis of all of this means I have to agree with the consensus, that there is no way this is town play. for these reasons +already presented cases:
##Vote: Sinensis
I fully acknowledge that I've have been wrong wrong wrong this game; I mean, one of my biggest scum reads, sloosh, flipped DT right in my face. The fact that I am voting Sinensis after he is already hammered makes me look like a scummy fck, I know, but from the looks of things, scum has definitely decided to bus Sinensis so as we continue through the next few LYLO days, everyone is going to need renewed scrutiny on them. Town needs a string of successful lynches from here, so I'll be stepping up my game. I admit that after N1 the game looked grim as fck, but I'm not throwing in the towel now.
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RE: Bluelightz
I think I was blinded by VE thinking Blue was town, Blue calling me townie, and seeing telltale signs of BL town play like
1. post lists of town reads
2. push whoever he wants whenever
However, derp moves like voting randomly:
On March 28 2012 08:17 Bluelightz wrote:
What teh hell, every man for himself -_-?
Fuck it,
##Unvote
##Vote: EchelonTee
being defensive about bad logic (i have never seen BL do this before:
On March 31 2012 08:57 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay I admit, I made many contradictions >_> have buddied VE on d1, on the vote switch I didn't understand that >.<, but, have I done anything to help town? I shared my reads, tried to start discussion, have added to discussion, etc
I believe C3 has a better chance of flipping scum therefore I will keep my vote on him.
and he hasn't posted a list in ages, aka hasn't displayed his opinions on players in a while, which is both generally scummy and definitely unusual for BL. I was perturbed by people directing vig shots at BL when a misfire would mean instant loss, I can't blame people for thinking BL is scummy fck; he's on my shortlist. i I find it really weird that in a game flavored after US vs SU, there is no nuking power for town, but eh w.e.
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Did VE even think BL was town? oO
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RE: My accusation on froggynoddy
In a game with a lot of loud, brask town leaders, it's been easy for scum to lay back, and I feel that froggy has been a big example of putting in enough fluffy posts to look townie while not actually contributing or taking hard stances.
On March 27 2012 19:37 froggynoddy wrote:Right, lots of content, makes a change from the previous game I was in (still ongoing so I know no discussion). I agree with people's view that discussing the setup is not useful as it detracts from scumhunting. If people want me to explain why I started with the topic here are my reasons:+ Show Spoiler +-
There may be a hidden town role out there that functions depending if its target is US or SU, or depending on how many there are of each.
Maybe there's a mason that can only recruit US players. Maybe there's a medic that can only save SU ones.
How would I know if I wasn't one of these roles myself?
I was kinda thinking along those lines. Backed up by this: Nationality of the player have effect on PR roles
- It was a mistake. I agree that any discussion of nationality is only good for scum at this point, the only way in which I see that changing is if 1. is true. Which, if discussed at this point is only helping scum.
Had a quick look at Blazinghand's filter as he seems to have initiated the most reactions from people... and that's just it, getting people's reactions can only be good for town. This being said, once you have those reactions you have analyse in a rigorous and systematic way (to prevent chaotic namecalling and mass-hysteria), something I'm not sure Blazinghand has done yet but perhaps at this early stage there is no need to. So onto more contemporary topics: C_C: Until he responds I don't want to feed him any excuses as he needs to respond himself as that nationality slip needs to be addressed as it only hurts town. Gonzaw: @VE I know you weren't asking me in particular but I'd rather add to a new topic of conversation than clog up discussion with old ones. I don't see anything suspicious, neither do I see anything particularly useful to town apart from this: Show nested quote +
Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con.
Which I know is a bit of a 'duh, anyone who read the OP and has a brain would realise that' moment, but ensuring that town is clear on how to win (or in this case not lose) can only be pro-town right?
His first big post made me suspicious of him; I'm surprised that the only person who ever has been even slightly against froggy was VE. In this post we have
1. being apologetic about something that no one is even accusing for him, sounds guilty for something that no one accused him of (latent scum guilt)
2. talks about BH's reaction grabbing calling it"sorta townie", but uh "sorta not townie if he doesn't analye it", but uh "he can do it later NP". Essentially, talking about the crazy town happenings but not taking any sort of stance it. Contrast this with how mr. wup said "BH ur logic is bad, ur scum", or how Nemesis was like "dude, stop BH ur being a dumbass". Froggy is loathe to confront this issue, essentially.
3. using C_C vote information is weak yah, but in this line, I don't even get what froggy is trying to say. is he saying C_C's flag thing is anti town? pro town? Like his comment on BH, he approaches the big topics of the thread but is listless in doing so.
I've already talked about why I don't like this post, talks about problems with VE blah blah blah votes C_C. if you don't think there's anything wrong with this post there's nothing more I can say.
In this next post:
On March 29 2012 02:18 froggynoddy wrote:
[redacted]
I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information:
1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases
2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases
One rogue element I'm struggling in dealing with is BH... I will be reading his filter over the next few hours.
@everyone: this is my 3rd game, I got shot in my 2nd game N1. My logic therefore might not be up to scratch and am more than willing to listen as to how I may be wrong. I am not a stubborn person if confronted with strong evidence and sound reasoning but OMGUS-ing and general name-calling will make me think you are a dick and I therefore will be less inclined to listen to you.
Froggy reveals that he one of the main reasons he wants to lynch C_C is for information; he hardly comments on thinking C_C is scum. The primary reason for a townsman to want to lynch is actually thinkign someone is scum; instead froggy speculatees on how C_C flipping will make this person or that person look scummy, which is illogical and irrelavant to if C_C should be lynched.
And that last paragraph seems really weirdly stuck in; out of the blue, he says "my logic might be good guys so correct me". nothing wrong with that, but why does he bring this up out of no where? being randomly apologetic is scummy because he is giving an excuse for bad logic.
Overall I don't get why no one has scrutinized froggy. He hasn't presented any original cases and sheeps like hell. Look at his filter and tell me that his actions even compare to the pro-town actions of other people in this game.
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On April 03 2012 10:19 johnnywup wrote:
Did VE even think BL was town? oO
he put that picture of you two as kitties; I interpreted that as him saying scum are targeting you two as hapless targets, aka cute kittens.
and he soft defends BL when he dismisses C_C's case on him:
On March 28 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why Bluelightz C_C? That's some defense/case you got there sir.
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As usual there are accidental typos and misformatted sentences, ask me if anything is unclear, or if you want me to answer for my previous actions or current suspicions.
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So you'd be willing to lynch Blue tomorrow if Sinensis flips scum?
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...."if Sinensis flips scum"; if he doesn't flip scum then we lost. Why didn't you simply say "so you'd be willing to lynch Blue tomorrow?"
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Because lynching Blue tomorrow if Sinensis flips town is impossible...?
Really, you keep nitpicking the wording of my posts to discredit me or something, say I'm on "your plate" or something, but you don't even think I'm scum?
Seems to me that you and Blue are doing this to try and get me lynched later.
I think you are bussing Sinensis at this point, and you are even bussing Blue. At least that gives you 2 more nights to snipe the remaining SU and if you don't you could convince people you are town because you were on 2 scum lynches.
But I wouldn't want to deal with that now, we need to focus ENTIRELY on very few candidates (Sinensis+Blue at this moment) if we ever want to win this at all.
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