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This is frustrating because I'm very confident Nemesis is town too and that this discussion is pointless in sight of what we should be doing.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2012 10:36 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote:"Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy." You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places. I am talking about your vote on cccalf and CC Just because BH was acting stupid doesn't mean he was scum. He also fixed his play in the second half of the day too and actually did some good analysis unlike you. And as Blazinghand pointed out too, your reasoning for your votes are off. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese If he was suspicious of CC for his softclaim, why does he only find it suspicious during the second time he did it? First time he did, Sinensis didn't even mention a word of it. I'll tell you why, because he was trying to make up a reason for joining the bandwagon on CC. Because he is SCUM. His play does not indicate town, his posts are not motivated by hunting scum but with staying out of the spotlight. A VOTE FOR SINENSIS IS A VOTE FOR SCUM.
Okay so I bolded your new reason why I'm scum in the spoiler because I don't want to waste any more thread space on this. I was suspicious of C_C because I believed him to be trying to fish nationalities out of other players by using the flag AND the poorly constructed venn diagram with "me" written in the soviet side. If I thought C_C was soft claiming soviet, why in hell would I vote for him? That would be voting for TOWN. If you go back and read the thread, you can see that fishing for votes and not "soft claiming nationality" was the issue being talked about at the time.
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On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.
But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching.
He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive.
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On March 30 2012 10:45 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.
But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive.
You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me?
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What I am saying in there is that you didn't find his first post "fishing for nationalities" suspicious the first time around, but somehow his second post "fishing for nationalities" suddenly became suspicious. Why? Because you didn't find him suspicious at all in the first place.
I'll wait what everyone else has to say for now before continuing my campaign.
Cmon, where is everybody else? 
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On March 30 2012 10:43 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.
You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry. No one has even voted you yet. -_- Also, you seriously can't find the case against you? You must be quite bad at reading. Here I'll link it for you Clicky
Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz.
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On March 30 2012 10:48 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 10:45 Nemesis wrote:On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.
But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive. You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me?
No I'm accusing you of not scumhunting and only sharing your reads when forced to.
Anyways, I'm going to let other people respond for now and go to sleep.
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On March 30 2012 10:52 Nemesis wrote:What I am saying in there is that you didn't find his first post "fishing for nationalities" suspicious the first time around, but somehow his second post "fishing for nationalities" suddenly became suspicious. Why? Because you didn't find him suspicious at all in the first place. I'll wait what everyone else has to say for now before continuing my campaign. Cmon, where is everybody else?
Wouldn't presenting your entire campaign on how I'm scum BEFORE people comment make more sense? I guess your campaign could turn out to be stupid and you want to judge initial reactions before you commit to embarrassment?
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Zentor, is that all you have to say? Read it again as to why people actually find you scummy. He posts a 2 page essay on you, and the only thing you read was you defending bluelightz?
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On March 30 2012 11:00 Nemesis wrote:
Zentor, is that all you have to say? Read it again as to why people actually find you scummy. He posts a 2 page essay on you, and the only thing you read was you defending bluelightz?
Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum.
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On March 30 2012 10:56 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 10:48 Sinensis wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 Nemesis wrote:On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.
But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive. You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me? No I'm accusing you of not scumhunting and only sharing your reads when forced to.Anyways, I'm going to let other people respond for now and go to sleep.
OKAY SO I BOLDED YOUR NEW REASON WHY I'M SCUM and maybe a pattern is starting to emerge?
Anyway the bolded part isn't true I have shared every read I have had this game, and I would be scum hunting but the person I am suspicious of hasn't responded yet so in the mean time... there is this.
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That Day post really sucked.
Why would scum risk using the nuke on N1?
On March 30 2012 05:38 Nemesis wrote:As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><
Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.
P.S Also hope to see more people post!
Here's what you don't get.
I noticed his odd style of play on Aperture, and I was right. What does this mean? That that style of play is his scum play. He played Aperture AFTER Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II (I think I'm right though).
I can't tell you more than yes, the styles are VERY similar, and the way he posted (remember, he starts making town reads out of a sudden, doesn't act confident, ignores my case against him in the beginning) was similar too.
I find it strange how nobody can see the similarities.
*sigh* Okay people, if ANY of you wants to lynch Blue, then I'll be 100% on it, but it seems I can't convince anyone to vote him not even in 72 hours or so.
I find his unusual fixation with killing cccalf, someone totally inactive, suspicious as well. He just went against him since the beginning, and that would be pretty easy on someone that didn't have any posts.
Either way, cccalf, if you don't contribute anything worthwhile this D2 you should hang, I'm amazed how no vig shot him yesterday.
I am suspicious of Sinensis. I noticed his lack of commitment and activity, and found it suspicious.
BH and others made some other points I hadn't considered by that point, he's a good candidate for a lynch as well.
However, I think there are a few other people more likely to flip mafia.
One is Blue, but I guess nobody will be convinced of him being scum by now, so I'll try and spend my efforts hunting the remaining scum and urge you all to take a VERY CLOSE look at Blue, and see when and how he posts his thoughts, seeing if he tries to fly under the radar, etc.
Another guy that should die is this one:
On March 30 2012 01:25 MrZentor wrote:
What case against me?
I wasn't aware of this injustice!
On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.
You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.
On March 30 2012 10:56 MrZentor wrote:
Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz.
On March 30 2012 11:05 MrZentor wrote:
Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum.
Okay, this guy is not even taking this seriously anymore.
You don't even attempt to defend yourself, NOR post anything constructive, post any other thoughts of your own, NOTHING.
Just die for christ's sake.
##Vote: MrZentor
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There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both.
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On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both.
It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.
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On March 30 2012 11:15 gonzaw wrote:That Day post really sucked. Why would scum risk using the nuke on N1? Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 05:38 Nemesis wrote:As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too. On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><
Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.
P.S Also hope to see more people post! Here's what you don't get. I noticed his odd style of play on Aperture, and I was right. What does this mean? That that style of play is his scum play. He played Aperture AFTER Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II (I think I'm right though). I can't tell you more than yes, the styles are VERY similar, and the way he posted (remember, he starts making town reads out of a sudden, doesn't act confident, ignores my case against him in the beginning) was similar too. I find it strange how nobody can see the similarities. *sigh* Okay people, if ANY of you wants to lynch Blue, then I'll be 100% on it, but it seems I can't convince anyone to vote him not even in 72 hours or so. I find his unusual fixation with killing cccalf, someone totally inactive, suspicious as well. He just went against him since the beginning, and that would be pretty easy on someone that didn't have any posts. Either way, cccalf, if you don't contribute anything worthwhile this D2 you should hang, I'm amazed how no vig shot him yesterday.
I am suspicious of Sinensis. I noticed his lack of commitment and activity, and found it suspicious. BH and others made some other points I hadn't considered by that point, he's a good candidate for a lynch as well. However, I think there are a few other people more likely to flip mafia. One is Blue, but I guess nobody will be convinced of him being scum by now, so I'll try and spend my efforts hunting the remaining scum and urge you all to take a VERY CLOSE look at Blue, and see when and how he posts his thoughts, seeing if he tries to fly under the radar, etc. Another guy that should die is this one:
Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 01:25 MrZentor wrote:
What case against me?
I wasn't aware of this injustice!
Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.
You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry. Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 10:56 MrZentor wrote:
Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz. Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 11:05 MrZentor wrote:
Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum. Okay, this guy is not even taking this seriously anymore. You don't even attempt to defend yourself, NOR post anything constructive, post any other thoughts of your own, NOTHING. Just die for christ's sake. ##Vote: MrZentor
I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself.
Let me interpret this post.
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On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both. It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.
Why don't you post cases against those players and me?
So far this Day 2 you have just been defending yourself and bickered with Nemensis, you haven't posted any cases, or thorough reads or thoughts.
Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him.
On March 30 2012 11:50 MrZentor wrote:
I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself.
Let me interpret this post.
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....is this a joke?
Saying "Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz." is a defense? Really? Who do you expect will buy this bullshit?
*sigh* Okay people, I want people to post their thoughts on this.
Froggy, jhonny, ET, zelblade, Blue, etc, tell me what you think about Zentor, and tell me if you would be okay lynching him or not.
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Will read filter and report back with my opinion!
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Just noticed something:
On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote:
cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity.
If you have more specific questions for me, please ask them.
On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both. It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.
Sinensis, why are your reads so different here?
You conclude that cccalf is mafia on both. However, in the 1st one you say that zelblade and Zentor are likely his scumbuddies, but on the 2nd one you don't mention them at all, and it even seems like you try to buddy up with Zentor there.
If in the 1st post you think ccalf is scum, and Zentor/zelblade are his scumbuddies, then since nothing important happened between these 2 posts, if in your 2nd post you think cccalf is scum, then you should still think Zentor/zelblade are his scumbuddies.
If something changed your mind, then you specifically state so, you don't casually talk with the guy you thought was scum earlier like if nothing happened.
Also, remember basic logic:
P1)If A is scum, then B and C are scum
P2)I think A is scum
T)I think B and C are scum
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cccalf, froggy, gonzaw, zentor, and zelblade. You have correctly re-pointed out every person in this game I have suspicions of. Good work. For redundancy's sake, I will re-explain where my vote is going today: cccalf if he doesn't post, froggy if cccalf does post and I like it.
Also:
Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him.
On March 30 2012 07:13 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 07:00 EchelonTee wrote:On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:posts that require attention for one reason or another: 1 2 3 4+5 #2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C. I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have): Show nested quote +@C_C: Yes I've pointed out VE's faults, but he's contributed a lot to town, more than you, and you haven't answered for your faults that have been listed out comprehensively, and in my eyes are more telling. Also my above reasoning does not necessarily lead to scum play and could just be aggressive/wild town play.
I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing: ##Vote Sinensis
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So does that make him scum alone? Just because he voted you? Can you try and put a little bit more effort here?
And no, you didn't say you were suspicious of Zentor nor zeblade in your second post. This wouldn't have been important, if it wasn't for the fact that you seemed to try and buddy up with the guy that supposedly was suspicious to you.
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On March 30 2012 12:47 gonzaw wrote:
So does that make him scum alone? Just because he voted you? Can you try and put a little bit more effort here?
And no, you didn't say you were suspicious of Zentor nor zeblade in your second post. This wouldn't have been important, if it wasn't for the fact that you seemed to try and buddy up with the guy that supposedly was suspicious to you.
I am not buddying up I am trying to come eventually come to a mutual lynch agreement with someone. Yes I am suspicious of him. Yes I am okay if he votes for someone on my scum list. Hell, he could vote for himself and I'd be happy.
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