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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
March 29 2012 20:17 GMT
#621
Hope to see you guys in the morning! And remember, Sinensis made no goddamn sense even under repeated questioning. He's scum.

good night.

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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 29 2012 20:38 GMT
#622
Meh, you beat me on doing an analysis on sinensis.

I would also like to add to that to CHECK sinensis' filter. You will see that he hasn't done shit this game. He hasn't even given out any of his reads besides C_C being scum.

Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics:
On March 27 2012 11:34 Sinensis wrote:
gonzaw when you do line breaks, only use one of them please.

Like that. Also I agree that NO ONE should claim Nationality for any reason, as that information can only hurt us.


On March 27 2012 11:48 Sinensis wrote:
Also, I work every day from at least 5pm to 10pm EST. I will post very consistently after work near 10pm.

So VisceraEyes, "what's" "with" "all" "these" "quotation" "marks" you use whenever you talk about "liars" or "scum" or "bad play"?

Several Examples
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool guys, am I really one of the only "vets" in this game?

ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU!


That being said, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if we can't find a good scum candidate (fat chance) and I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play".

"But VE, isn't lynching a lurker the same thing as lynching to punish bad play?"

No kind sir, lurking isn't just bad play...lurking is a very viable strategy that scum often employ to hide.

For my part, I'll be keeping my eye on C_C and to a lesser extent BH due to them being among the only names I recognize as players who have played more than like 2 games here. This is one of the first games I've played where the average experience level is so low...so I'm probably not going to be on the offensive as much this game...but I make no guarantees.



On March 27 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, lying is situational and obviously we need to scrutinze any inconsistencies we find...but lynching by policy anyone found to have been untruthful about anything? Not today sir. Not ever as far as I'm concerned. If someone is scummy because they lied, they should be scummy for other reasons. If someone's lying is the only thing that makes them "scummy", then I'm not on-board with a lynch of said person. That's what I meant by "I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Policy lynches, on the whole, are a bad idea and allow scum to control the lynch.



On March 27 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 09:52 Nemesis wrote:
Yo VE why you so scum this game, I'm getting my gun ready for you.


Maybe if you accompanied your question with reasoning as to why I'm "so scum this game" instead of empty threats, I'd be more inclined to answer your question fully. What part of my play so far indicates that I'm "so scum"?



On March 27 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 11:24 gonzaw wrote:
Got back from uni.
Let's hunt some nazis.


On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:27 slOosh wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:21 froggynoddy wrote:
I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly).


It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question.
Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play?


honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs.

and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them.

gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now?



I doubt I need to ask 100 questions to everybody, considering this is a smaller game, so don't worry about that too much.
I'll try not to "hurt your eyes" this time

I think it's obvious that nobody likes lurkers, but lurking alone doesn't mean they should be lynched immediately. It just means you need to call them out, make them contribute, and put them under more scrutiny than other players, since they can easily fly unnoticed.

@VE: I have to agree with johnny here, why do you prod someone about taking stances 1 post into the game?
Even as pressure that doesn't seem very helpful.

Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con.
So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them.
If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else.


I'll prod whomever I want whenever I want for whatever reason whether you think it's helpful for you or not gonzaw. Now, let's talk about this generic/obvious advice you gave. I know why you did it (glare @ C_C) but the part that concerns me is bolded in your quote.

As a member of town, I happen to know for a FACT that I don't know what "nationality" people are. So that begs the question...why preface your "advice" with the statement "As far as I know..."? It seems to me like you're trying too hard to appear clueless.



On March 27 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote:
Also, there's only been one topic. It's topic. Not "topics [sic]." VisceraEyes using quotes. You weren't even part of that conversation.

SUCH USEFUL TOPICS MAN!

As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too.
On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><

Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.

P.S Also hope to see more people post!
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 21:58 GMT
#623
##vote: Blazinghand

Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.

Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
March 29 2012 22:00 GMT
#624
On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:
posts that require attention for one reason or another:
1 2 3 4+5


#1: cyber saying something about sinensis. the case has potential, but last time I played with him his town was similar to this. it's like nisani 2.0

#2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C.

#3: jwup randomly goes scared and says "plz dont lynch me im badddddd". there were ppl accusing him myself included but the tone of this sounds rly desparate

#4: VE implies "ppl who respond are scummy"
#5: "jwup didn't respond, i think he's town". see #3. VE logic in action. I'd like VE or jwup dead tomorrow
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
March 29 2012 22:00 GMT
#625
Day Two

[image loading]

Blazinghand looks out the window, cursing the San Francisco weather. What started off as a beautiful summer day has turned into torrential rain, and his Blue Mazda will be totally ruined now. Damn him leaving the windows open!

He turns from the window, sitting back down at his desk. Just then, a fax from his Russian colleague came through. He quickly read through the message, but threw it away after a while. A death through poisoned vodka! He could not be concerned with that right now, with all the patient files on his table right now. He picked the first one up, when a bright flash from the window caught his eye. He turned his head just as the nuclear shockwave hit his office building.



Blazinghand (US Doctor) is nuked.
VisceraEyes (SU Citizen) is killed.
+ Show Spoiler [US Doctor Role PM] +
Blazinghand, you are US Doctor! Every night you may choose to protect one player other than yourself from NK. However, it takes great effort to protect someone which is why your protection will only work when you and your colleague - SU Doctor - pick the same target. This restriction is removed when SU Doctor is killed, but you will become one-shot (be able to protect someone only once in the game). Your protection will also not be refunded if you fail to save someone. Neither you or the target will be informed upon the successful protect.

Don't forget you have to PM both Hassybaby and me.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.


It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to cast your votes.

The deadline ends at April 1 2012 07:00 KST, which is 22:00 GMT (+00:00) your time-zone.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 29 2012 22:00 GMT
#626
Can't vote yet Sin...but I like your enthusiasm.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 29 2012 22:00 GMT
#627
OH.....GG I GUESS
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 22:03 GMT
#628
OH SNAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED FUCK
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
March 29 2012 22:03 GMT
#629
WHAT
THE
FACK

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 22:03 GMT
#630
Till he posts again.

##vote: cccalf
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 22:03 GMT
#631
EBWOP ##vote: cccalf
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 29 2012 22:08 GMT
#632
On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: Blazinghand

Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.

Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.

Is that seriously all you have to say?

You have contributed nothing all day yesterday. You are obviously not interested in scum-hunting. A vote for sinensis is a vote for scum. GOGOGO!

##Vote: Sinensis
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
March 29 2012 22:13 GMT
#633
On March 30 2012 07:00 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:
posts that require attention for one reason or another:
1 2 3 4+5


#2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C.


I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have):

@C_C: Yes I've pointed out VE's faults, but he's contributed a lot to town, more than you, and you haven't answered for your faults that have been listed out comprehensively, and in my eyes are more telling. Also my above reasoning does not necessarily lead to scum play and could just be aggressive/wild town play.

I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though.


Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing:

##Vote Sinensis
'better still, a satisfied man'
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 29 2012 22:27 GMT
#634
Ok fine you want a better case Sinensis. Besides bringing up useless topics, here is your most useful post:

On March 27 2012 14:44 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 14:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Sinensis, what do you think of Blazinghand now with his vote on Johhny? also srsly cool down we're all friends ==".


I think he is being aggressive and unreasonable. Johhny wasn't wrong about anything he said about Blazinghand as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Blazinghand's vote possesses any substance. I think he is just trying to see who goes after him, and to what end they will continue to go after him. As of now I will be watch his vote the closest toward the vote deadline.

he gives his opinion on Johnny's and blazinghand's play. But still notice what is missing? He doesn't take a stance on whether he thinks BH or Johnny is town or scum. Also says he will be watching BH towards the end of the day, but even at the end of the day he doesn't give his stance on BH's alignment.

On March 28 2012 14:39 Sinensis wrote:
I don't find froggynoddy to be a priority. Neutral at the moment. He's picking easy targets, but I haven't seen a lot of effort so that seems right.

Once again, he doesn't take a stance.

On March 29 2012 13:45 Sinensis wrote:
Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway.

Tries to push for BH with WIFOM logic.



He doesn't take a stance on anyone except for C_C who everyone already thought was suspicious.

Conclusion: He is being non-commital with his play, and is just trying to avoid contact with everyone. He is not interested in scumhunting at all.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 29 2012 22:29 GMT
#635
EBWOP: His push against BH was during the night. So really day 1 he has done NOTHING.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 29 2012 22:41 GMT
#636
WTF WHY THIS JUST HAPPENED , VE the kittenz need you

That aside,

##Vote: cccalf
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 29 2012 22:44 GMT
#637
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhh
uh
uh
what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk....
holy shit....this is what i come back to????


ok so I'm all for cccalf lynch but I think it won't promote enough discussion to find the rest of the scum. SO I think we should search for others today and if there's not enough evidence to support someone else being scum, then we lynch cccalf. But until then we should be actively looking for other scum.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 29 2012 22:46 GMT
#638
If we do want to discuss all of us still alive take a look at Zentor and gonzaw
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
March 29 2012 22:48 GMT
#639
Gonzaw I think is town, zentor is also a good lynch, but I'm sticking with sinensis lynch for now.

And yeah a cccalf lynch will pretty much kill discussion, so I don't really want to go with that right now.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 29 2012 22:48 GMT
#640
Killing discussion is prevented by bringing up discussion =="
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
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