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Just /confirming now. I've read through the thread and will be putting together some thoughts shortly. | ||
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On March 19 2012 05:25 Nemesis wrote: It's been 2 hours since then, still gathering your thoughts? Sorry, I'm trying to play EVE with my dad while reading new replies as they come up. I'm not liking Tobon, for his one post which a couple people called out as being pretty terrible and I had the same feeling reading it, but I'll give him that he's probably learning. I'm also not liking johnnywup. Not only do we have everything that everyone else is mentioning, but also his vanilla town claim seems off. As I mentioned though, this doesn't quite have my full attention so I'm going to wait until later on this evening when I've actually had a chance to contribute to the topic before I throw my vote on anyone. I like to put a little more effort into divulging my thoughts before voting someone and I just don't have time right now. | ||
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His posts have been quite uninspiring up until this point. Most of his posts are simply asking questions or pointing out information, such as who hasn't posted. Hmmm, it seems that snarfs and sandroba hasn't posted yet. Hopefully they don't get modkilled as 18 hours have passed since the game has started. This particularly doesn't seem like something a towny would say. He also conveniently skips over comments directed towards himself (VE's made a couple, Sandroba has now as well). His vote is against someone who had given a valid excuse for why he hasn't posted yet (it was his mom's birthday yesterday and he probably just got into work today). I'm really not impressed with his filter overall aside from the defense of Johnny. I think he's the best candidate so far though. #Vote Nemesis | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:35 Nemesis wrote: ##Unvote: Probulous I have to go for a bit for now, but when I come back I'll give you guys my scum read so far. snarfs, mind pointing out which comments I skipped that VE made? I ignored sandroba's question of "what's the point of the question?" because I thought that it was indeed a pretty useless question and wasn't very well thought out. If you are talking about this: I addressed it, but didn't answer it as he expected because it was a stupid question. As I said, what he found to be a scumtell was really just a null tell. I didn't say that it was a newb town tell as he seems to imply with his question. Yes, that was the one I was referring to. From VE's follow up, he made it sound like you were dodging a question, but I see now that you did in fact explain that it was just null tells, not necessarily scum/town. Thank you for explaining your thoughts on the question to sandroba. I am looking forward to getting your scum read as I think that providing some content of the sort would help me ease this feeling that you aren't contributing very much but are trying to make it seem like you are. | ||
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First off, I don't think Nemesis is going down today, and I liked how collected he was in responding to my vote so that's off. He didn't get overly emotional or respond irrationally, which is what I would have expected from scum in his position. ##Unvote Nemesis I liked Nemesis and Probulous's votes on VE. I think since thoses votes we've seen a bit better VE. I'm not going to hop on the Jackal lynch because his play was similar in Wiggles mini and he ended up being shot by our vig when we really could have used him day 3. I don't see a point in trying to pursue his lynch unless he's going to do something scummy. I'll throw my vote on Tobon since I don't see a better option and I feel that in the next 5 hours we need a lynch. I think that using the excuse of it being your first game is no reason to not come off as more town. A big factor is, if he is town, we at least alleviate a topic of uncertainty in the coming days and make for a better town atmosphere. He's acted like scum and he's going to be a topic of discussion for the coming days if he isn't lynched today, which will only detract from further scum hunting. ##Vote Tobon | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:22 Tobon wrote: Morning, all. I am reading TIPD scummiest of the three (TIPD/Snarfs/Dirkzor) semi-lurkers so far, because he's attempted to look the most involved while also contributing the least. And if you guys do end up lynching me today, and I flip town, be sure to notice how both TIPD and Snarfs are band wagoning to get it done. I love the irony in that last sentence. Weren't you the guy who, in one of his very first posts, said he would be happy to band wagon anybody in order to ensure a lynch? Besides, I said in my post why I was voting for you. In order to reach a majority lynch, people need to "band [wagon] to get it done". I don't think there is anything wrong in lynching someone who a large portion of the town feels could be scum and whose only saving factor right now is the fact that they're a new player. If we don't lynch you today, then you'll just take up more of the conversation in the coming days when we could be trying to find more scum. It's the same problem with people like Bluelightz, except for you, there is no past history to gather. If Bluelightz had no past posting history (and he wasn't working with layabout), I would want to lynch him just to clear up the town atmosphere. While I agree that this is not the only reason to lynch somebody, I think you're yet to contribute much besides pointing your finger at whoever might be an easy target. While I can't say that I've exactly contributed a ton, I wasn't even around. You've been around and not contributing. | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: I changed my mind about xsksc and I'm willing to give jackal time to step up. However Snarfs dude needs to die. I played last game as scum with him as town and he went around questioning people and trying to find scum, which is not what he is doing right now. His post on nemesis is pretty retarded and now his switch to tobon does not feel genuine at all and it seems he is just trying to get his vote somewhere and try to rise the minimum amount of suspicion. Remember people, the ones that we are really looking after are people that are actively avoiding to say anything that could be considered scummy, trying to blend in and hide, while not actually doing anything thing useful and that's what can be observed about Snarfs posting. ##Unvote ##Vote: Snarfs Sigh, I'm sorry. I'm tired and am rushing things because deadline is in 4 hours. Another reason I'm suspicious of both johnny and Tobon, one which I alluded to earlier when I said that johnny's claim was off, is because they both claimed "Vanilla Town". I'm a "Vanilla Towny". See that? With a 'y' at the end? Why would they have a different title if they're actually townies? It looks like they were trying to match it up with the posts at the beginning of the thread, when that's not what the title that was sent out says. | ||
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I've explained already that I was not on my computer all day yesterday and the day before that I was at a St. Patty's party. When Wiggles started I was on my computer, ready to go and was able to respond to things as they happened in the thread. This time, I have not had a chance to respond to things until just this morning. I thought my reasoning for Nemesis was solid. There wasn't much to go on for most people and Nemesis was spending most of his time either calling out lurkers or simply asking questions of people then disappearing. Since my vote, he has provided solid scum hunting and I no longer feel like he is a good lynch candidate for today. First off ,I don't think Nemesis is going down today, and I liked how collected he was in responding to my vote so that's off. He didn't get overly emotional or respond irrationally, which is what I would have expected from scum in his position. I was wrong to say that first part. I can definitely see how scummy it looks and you guys are very right to bring that up. I don't have a lot I can say about that. It was just before my morning coffee and if I was typing that over again, I would say it. | ||
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On March 20 2012 03:09 slOosh wrote: Are mafia given example PMs of town roles? Also are we allowed to talk about this or is this infraction of rule 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. ? I've seen in other games people get noted for claiming a role that doesn't match up with what the actual role is. People called Palmar out in my last game for claiming Vanilla Town when the role was just Town. That's why I figured the titles of the roles were okay. | ||
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On March 20 2012 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Go read Snarfs' filter from Wiggles Mini...Sandroba posted link. Then come read his filter in this game. Just don't worry about the RolePM bullshit. Honestly, if you give me more time you'll see the same person. I've already explained twice that between yesterday and the day before I was on the computer all of about an hour and a half. I think you're putting too much weight on the fact that I haven't been here. Also appreciate that in the last game I was never under any pressure so you have nothing to compare that to now. This is me trying to make up for the fact that I was gone for almost 2 full days and during that time you said you weren't going to listen to anybody who wasn't voting. So what do I do when I see a more veteran player saying that they're not going to listen to anybody who isn't voting? I put my vote on the person I think is most likely to be scum and then try to reason it out. If you have any specific questions for me please ask right away. Ask me my motives for anything I've done or haven't done so far this game and I will answer completely truthfully because, as I've said before, I have absolutely nothing to hide. | ||
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I'm just trying to look at who is / isn't on the wagon and where the scum team actually is on this one. | ||
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Also, sandroba led the lynch on Jackal iirc. | ||
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On March 20 2012 06:51 slOosh wrote: Catching up and going through Jackal's filter, I don't see anything telling of scum. Additionally, its been pointed out, but this bandwagon is forming really fast and people are just jumping on. From what I understand from my experience w/ TL Mafia, jackal doesn't bother putting in effort D1 since he always dies / his early reads are poor (or at least that is what people say about him). Does it absolve him of lurking? Well, combined with St. Patrick Day, power outage and work I'm really leaning null. And a no-lynch is better than a lynch on (someone who I think is) a null read, especially since this is a true bandwagon where the only true read is Sandroba's and mostly everyone is sheeping. Not gonna lynch someone who I don't think is scum, and can't even apply the faulty "we get information out of it" because we won't. ##Unvote Snarfs ##Vote no-lynch This post sounds kind of look slOosh thought that his vote was going to make a difference. I'm interested in hearing why you decided to make a point about switching to a no-lynch 10 minutes before the deadline unless you thought there was a chance that your vote would actually matter. | ||
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Tobon and jcarlsoniv are most likely to be town. Tobon for his earlier willingness to get on Jackal shortly after sandroba did, which seems very unlikely for a new player. jcarl for masony things. Probulous is right behind them. I think all his posts so far have been helpful and have showed a genuine attempt to either find scum or protect who he thinks is town from bad cases. Nemesis for tunneling of VisceraEyes. It seems very unlikely that a scum would target a player as strong as VE is in this game. I would expect scum to go after the weaker players for the lynch then just kill the strong players during the day. That only leaves slOosh. I think he is most likely scum out of those remaining. Probulous has made a good case and since I believe that Probulous is town, I value that case. Given these numbers, assuming 3 mafia, I also believe that 1 person on the Jackal lynch is scum as well. | ||
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That's why I feel it necessary to point out that there could be a Godfather role as well. | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:22 Tobon wrote: Hitting JCarl or Sandroba was a pretty obvious move. But why JCarl of the two of them? We may want to consider that JCarl was gut reading Nemesis. I think it was probably that jcarl was less likely to be medic protected and thus a more sure kill. I don't think we can infer from this that he was on the right track, but it can't hurt to look over his filter. | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:31 sandroba wrote: Yeah I can agree with that. I'd like to hear arguments from everyone though, since I'm not very sure myself. I'm leaning towards Nemesis being town. After my initial vote, he hasn't done anything to raise my suspicions, and as I stated before the day post I think his tunneling of one of the stronger players this game doesn't make much sense from a scum point of view. | ||
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I had a look back though for some contradictions in things he's said that might give us a better idea as to his alignment, but I'd really like to see him post a bit more. Maybe I'm biased because he was really nice to me last game (even though he was serial killer  ).Something interesting: In his case against slOosh, first he claims that he has no problem with slOosh's post against me and that he's actually more interested in the timing of it: His next major contribution is his case against Snarfs (Klicky). I have no problem with the post itself. It did come after Tobon, sandroba and jcarlsoniv voted for Snarfs so the timing looks like joining a wagon. But later he claims that actually the content of his jump onto me was indeed bad: Your jump onto Snarfs' was bad. There were others on him already and then you call him out for a simple mistake. The most telling things was the comparison with his previous play which is indeed quite different. Saying something that can be interpreted as contradictory does not make a case. Like I said though, I want to see Probulous post more like it seems most people do. I thought besides the timing of his case on slOosh he was looking pretty good. | ||
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Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)? | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote: No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN No time? We have a full day | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:30 Probulous wrote: VE's hammer on Jackal confirmed him in my eyes so I had to look elsewhere. I know you keep using this word and I'm verifying that by 'hammer' you do indeed mean '2nd to last vote'? | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:Does everyone else understand what VE is saying? Not a fucking clue, but what else is new? He's confused me all game. | ||
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That TIPD did not want to give the impression that Jackal could be scum. Especially by referencing Wiggles mini where he was town and did a similar lurking day 1. If it wasn't for his miraculous 3 minute reading of my filter before hopping on my wagon which sandroba pointed out, I probably would not have voted for him yesterday. | ||
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On March 22 2012 10:32 xsksc wrote: I am? I thought he just argued that he had a town read on VE because he voted for Jackal, and that it didn't matter that VE had defended Jackal. Now his arguement on TIPD being scum...totally contradicts that, do you not see? Did Probulous clear this up for you, or do you still need me to explain it? | ||
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Another thing that I wish Probulous had time to respond to would be his reasoning for why johnnywup gets the confused noob treatment but Tobon is clearly scum day 1. Stupid timezones. Then there is the gap between his last statement on day 1 and his case on slOosh, which doesn't make sense with the called into office thing because the last statement on day 1 would have been around 4:30pm his time. I don't like voting people just for reasons such as that because everybody gets busy and that's not a good reason to lynch, but adding it with everything that everyone else is mentioning it seems more suspicious. I hope this isn't wrong. ##Unvote ##Vote Probulous | ||
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On March 23 2012 06:35 Probulous wrote: I play this game when I am at work, I finish at 5pm. The next time I get on is when I get back into work THE NEXT DAY. This is not a reason to vote for me. Johnny responded completely differently to Tobon. Johnny replied quickly and openly. He admitted his mistakes and changed his read. This is a townie response. Tobon told me to fuck off and that he wasn't going to explain himself. This is not a townie response. I know it's not a reason to vote you... I just don't know what to do... /crawls into corner and cries ##Unvote ##Vote slOosh I have no idea which one is scum, if either. I'm going to make this closer than it is and let someone else decide. | ||
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On March 23 2012 06:58 slOosh wrote: Snarfs you want to sheep Sandroba this time? Kinda T_T | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:03 johnnywup wrote: I want to explain why i had a change of mind. The roleblock really did do it for me, theres absolutely no reason for someone with, apparently, no role besides vt, to make it up. So if sloosh was scum, why would he bother saying something like that if hes being suspected? it doesnt make sense. only explanation is town, from the way i see it. also, ghost D: Because if town roleblocks him and he doesn't claim it, doesn't it seem really suspicious? | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:17 slOosh wrote: YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH I would like to award me and VE the "99% confirmed townie" badge. And me and johnny? | ||
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If the mafia member chosen to kill on a particular night is roleblocked, no kill will occur. So the question is pertinent. | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:56 Nemesis wrote: Except I'm not scum But, you must admit that for the good of the town, you should die. | ||
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To be fair/more dumb, I'd only switched to slOosh about 30 minutes before that. | ||
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We will go down fighting till the last drop of amphibian blood!!!! :D /bluey | ||
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VE, I think you opened both mine and Nemesis' eyes to a different style of town that, at least for myself, seemed quite intimidating. I honestly didn't know what to think of you for almost the entire first day and with sandroba throwing some doubt in there as well I think if more people had pushed against you on day 2 I would have been right there with them. That's actually where a lot of my indecision came for the vote on day 2 - being unsure of whose side you were on. Looking back I see that it was just an interesting style of town play that wasn't in my first game and I feel I definitely learned something here. I didn't think my vote on Nemesis day 1, nor my switch to Tobon would generate as much negative attention as they got. Both players had been FoSed by a few players by the time I came in and cast my vote. I guess it was more the way I went about it, which was entirely due to the circumstances of it being St. Patrick's day, followed by a day of being hungover, followed by being tired as hell the day after. I think that regardless of whether my claim should/shouldn't have been allowed, it was more powerful than it should have been. Once I realized that, I sent wbg a PM requesting a modkill without a flip because I knew that I shouldn't have been confirmed town at that point. It should have been up in the air whether I was actually town or scum still and I won't be doing that in future games, again, regardless of whether it's allowed or not. Overall though, sandroba and VE did a great job and basically showed a bunch of new town players how to destroy a poorly coordinated scum team. Lots of takeaways from this one for me. Thanks to both of you! | ||
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