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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 20 2012 11:13 xsksc wrote: @probulous Not saying the case is bad, it's good, I'm just confused by the timing. I've been telling everyone sloosh is scum for ages now and you've had plenty of chances to support me if you felt that way about his case on me. My last post from yesterday was this one (Klicky). I didn't push the Sloosh case because I wasn't sure about whether he was being his usual tunneling self. I also wasn't sure about you. If you remember I was pushing VE for his terrible case on Johnny and you jumped on his wagon. Now yes, you explained your position, which, made sense but that was just before I left. Then I missed the deadline due to stupid work. Sloosh actions since I left made him look even more scummy so I posted what I had when I could. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 20 2012 13:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm just idly speculating because there isn't much to do until morning. *shrug* We can talk about me and the cases surrounding me. I'll address stuff brought up against me one point at a time (if I missed anything let me know) First is Probulous' case He first sets the tone with meta. This is dumb. It neglects the fact that the three games mentioned are all newbie games. When he is town he posts like crazy and forces town to follow his reads. He is forthright and pressuring .Why would I step into my first normal game and decide that my reads are better than all the veterans' and they should follow me? If you actually read the game where I am VT, none of my reads were correct. We mislynched every night and scum got perfect victory. Read my game is medic and find that my first case is a fluke and in the endgame it took a confirmed DT to clear the townie that I wanted to lynch. As a player I am trying to improve and if my town play is crap then of course I'm going to change things up. case on xsksc: I pressured him because something sounded weird and I wanted more information. I don't like how he responds and so I keep on the pressure to get a better read. Making bad cases aren't scummy - I made plenty of em as town in previous game and I am willing to accept that I made one this game too. It's motive behind it that matters - and I don't think I am totally unjustified in suspecting xsksc on his responses. this next point is pulled out of context: Then when this is not enough he moves in another direction VE asked me in this post and I explained myself. It's not another direction - someone has a question on my case and I responded to that. shift onto Snarfs / other stuff: I realized that my focus on xsksc led me to miss a lot of stuff going on in the thread. Which is what I tend to do when I tunnel and as effort to improve myself as a player I stopped. On March 19 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: EBWOP: scratch that I'm rereading the whole thread. Realized I missed much stuff due to my dialogue w/ xsksc. Notice that this is the turning point in which I redirect my focus onto Snarfs / other stuff. The part of "hoping for a modkill" is bogus. I was wary of a possible infringement of rules and therefore I asked the question, because I didn't want the game to be ruined. Lastly is the hop off the Jackal - bandwagon issue: I looked at his filter and from what I understand from the mafia games I have read, jackal himself admits that his reads are really bad day 1. Combine that with the factors that I mention and I saw that it could just be that. The reason I didn't want to sheep Sandroba was because the bandwagon was forming really fast and I was scared that he could have been mafia pulling off an easy mislynch with no repercussions. I was willing to sheep on Snarfs because I could see how he could be mafia and that wasn't a 10 minute before deadline bandwagon, which allowed for additional information input and discussion and a possible change in vote. I didn't have that luxury with Jackal and so I decided no lynch was better than a null read lynch. Now with the Jackal flip I'd be totally content in letting him direct votes and such. But before that he didn't really respond to my questions with his xsksc read and so I was unsure if this was just his style or intentionally not giving his reads, hence the hesitation to do a total sheep (opposed to partial sheep when I could see for myself why Snarfs looked somewhat suspicious). Today is going to be on and off busy for me so I'll try my best to respond - but we shouldn't just wait for night to resolve, we should make most use of our time. Discuss me now so we don't waste most of tomorrow. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On March 21 2012 00:02 slOosh wrote: --cut--- The reason I didn't want to sheep Sandroba was because the bandwagon was forming really fast and I was scared that he could have been mafia pulling off an easy mislynch with no repercussions. I was willing to sheep on Snarfs because I could see how he could be mafia and that wasn't a 10 minute before deadline bandwagon, which allowed for additional information input and discussion and a possible change in vote. I didn't have that luxury with Jackal and so I decided no lynch was better than a null read lynch. --cut--- You were scared that Sandroba was mafia pushing for a mislynch? Sandrobe is at best confirmed town (and was) at worst easy to find scum later on due to his mason claim. So thats bull. On March 20 2012 06:51 slOosh wrote: Catching up and going through Jackal's filter, I don't see anything telling of scum. Additionally, its been pointed out, but this bandwagon is forming really fast and people are just jumping on. From what I understand from my experience w/ TL Mafia, jackal doesn't bother putting in effort D1 since he always dies / his early reads are poor (or at least that is what people say about him). Does it absolve him of lurking? Well, combined with St. Patrick Day, power outage and work I'm really leaning null. And a no-lynch is better than a lynch on (someone who I think is) a null read, especially since this is a true bandwagon where the only true read is Sandroba's and mostly everyone is sheeping. Not gonna lynch someone who I don't think is scum, and can't even apply the faulty "we get information out of it" because we won't. ##Unvote Snarfs ##Vote no-lynch About this post. I disagree that it makes sloosh look scummier if jackal flipped town than if Jackal flipped scum. This post makes perfect sense if Sloosh knew Jackal allignment. We only had 7 votes on Jackal and this was 10 min before lynch. He only needed to convince 1 person to vote differently to get jackal off the hook. He spends most of this post explaining reasons why it is most likely that Jackal isn't scum. Then ends with: And a no-lynch is better than a lynch on (someone who I think is) a null read, especially since this is a true bandwagon where the only true read is Sandroba's and mostly everyone is sheeping. Not gonna lynch someone who I don't think is scum, and can't even apply the faulty "we get information out of it" because we won't. Which is gently telling people to take votes of because the lynch is bad without saying it outright. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 21 2012 00:17 Dirkzor wrote: Hindsight is 20-20. I wasn't willing to blindly believe the mason claim as it could have been a gutsy mafia ploy - just because it was improbable doesn't mean it was impossible, and therefore I was wary of the possibility. Yes I was scared because it could have been a mislynch with net result 1 dead townie and no voting pattern information. You were scared that Sandroba was mafia pushing for a mislynch? Sandrobe is at best confirmed town (and was) at worst easy to find scum later on due to his mason claim. So thats bull. On March 21 2012 00:17 Dirkzor wrote: About this post. I disagree that it makes sloosh look scummier if jackal flipped town than if Jackal flipped scum. This post makes perfect sense if Sloosh knew Jackal allignment. We only had 7 votes on Jackal and this was 10 min before lynch. He only needed to convince 1 person to vote differently to get jackal off the hook. He spends most of this post explaining reasons why it is most likely that Jackal isn't scum. Then ends with: And a no-lynch is better than a lynch on (someone who I think is) a null read, especially since this is a true bandwagon where the only true read is Sandroba's and mostly everyone is sheeping. Not gonna lynch someone who I don't think is scum, and can't even apply the faulty "we get information out of it" because we won't. Which is gently telling people to take votes of because the lynch is bad without saying it outright. The post should also make sense if I was suspected the possibility of Sandroba being mafia and pulling off a mislynch with no repercussions, which I did. You are approaching this with confirmation bias. I didn't say Jackal isn't scum - I said I don't see him as scum, that I see him as null and that I don't think a null lynch is a good idea. And if you interpret my post to think I am subtly suggesting people take their votes off then I really don't know how to defend myself there because I just did what I thought best, and if it came off that way then what can I do? Inability to clearly express thoughts is a neutral tell - if you think I am intentionally obfuscating my posts than say so, but calling my ability to post clearly / play mafia as bad is just smearing mud on my name. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:20 Dirkzor wrote: Last scum: Probulous Nemesis Sloosh Or 2 therein if only 3 scum. GG What are your thoughts on the other two? Does Prob look townie for building that case against me? What is your stance on me? Are you just discussing my no-lynch post to say that it actually gives off scummy vibes or are you saying that I am indeed scum and doing it in a roundabout way? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On March 20 2012 01:27 Jackal58 wrote: Anybody else see the problem here? There really was no wagon and what little of it there was could be argued jcarl started. However Dirkzor feels compelled to make more out of it than what anybody could possibly do. Plus the man really needs to start picking it up. He's posted less than I have and I spent yesterday without power. Mother nature is a bitch. What should we make of this post? The way I see it, there are two options, and I'd like to hear which is more likely from everyone.
For my part, I believe this was his one chance to push a mislynch through and he was trying to get it done. What about you guys? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 21 2012 01:55 sandroba wrote: @sloosh can you please provide your complete and analytical read of nemesis and tobon? Shoot. I can't give complete read right now as I have something to go to but I want to give my reads unaffected by whatever night actions may resolve in case I am unable to post before deadline so I'll give quick thoughts: Nemesis: I liked him because VE was pushing johnny hard on what I thought was flimsy stuff, and he called VE out on it. That is my current impression of him but I haven't had a chance to read his post lynch posts. Tobon: Weird because several times he buddies up to me / tends to agree with me (but only after I post). Other than that it is hard to recall any of his posts without actually looking at his filter, which indicates he hasn't said anything that has impressed me. I promise to give the complete reads whenever I can. But this is the best I can do as I don't have time to reread right now. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
So I believe Dirkzor is now most likely town. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
About Probulous: I like his filter. I liked his pushing and case on VE and I like his case on you. Of the three on my list I find him the least likely to be scum. His case on Sloosh might come to push a mis-lynch if sloosh is town. Most people seemed willing to lynch sloosh even before probulous case, so probulous made a case to get a townie lynched. That will clear up when/if sloosh flips Nemesis have been tunnelling hard on VE. Don't really know what to make of it. Both Nemesis and Probulous made cases on VE within a 20 min timeframe. Combined with this post On March 20 2012 06:44 Nemesis wrote: I don't quite buy the case against him, and when he was talking to VE, he said that snarfs was "non-existant." I'm guessing he meant that snarfs was lurking. I'd still prefer a VE lynch right now. The meat of his lynch is that he is lurking, which he seems to do a lot day 1 in other games too. just before sloosh made his vote for no-lynch. It just seem to fit. VE: Option 2? Maybe you wasn't asking me? =) | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:20 Dirkzor wrote: Last scum: Probulous Nemesis Sloosh Or 2 therein if only 3 scum. GG I also believe Dirkzor to be town, because his thought process here mirrors mine. Most likely the scum are non-Jackal voters, and jcarl is "confirmed" mason, and I know I'm town. Which leaves these three. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Especially you if you're scum and feeling in a particularly honest mood. lol No, I tend to agree with you - having been on scum teams with Jackal, he's not the biggest fan of bussing mates. Like, verbally opposing it when mentioned for the most part. Exceptions exist (he was all about bussing Sandroba in XLVIII when it became clear he wasn't playing with the rest of us) but the majority of the time, he'd much rather off a townie. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
Of Probulous, Nemesis, and Sloosh, I think sloosh looks most scum-like. (for his unvote among other things mentioned) | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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