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On March 17 2012 08:56 Jayjay54 wrote: why can't you see that? maybe he is compulsive and the early kill unbinds him from any possibilities. cell agent have a prob 80-90 % chance to NOT kill other agents. there's no way we can rule out that this is the other way round and he is a freaking unlucky cell and is now pissed that their shared shadowbender flavour is revealed. I can picture a combination like "has been killed by shadow and fire", "shadow + x" or whatever, you get the idea. I am not saying, it is that way, but the coindidence is quite great in the matching flavour. I think "killed by shadow and flame" is more likely to be a reference to the Balrog from Lord of the Rings. I would argue that since Drazerk claimed the kill that this is likely his role. | ||
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I'll put my hat in the ring for the Wheatley thing, too. While I'm not as experienced as others in this game are, I believe I can play transparently when put in a public office and be accountable for my actions taken with a given power. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:57 gonzaw wrote: I won't lie now though, if I get elected, and the ability is interesting enough, I may lie about it if I'm pressured to confuse scum. This by itself means I will simply refuse to ever vote you in as Wheatley. Nonaccountability isn't a good idea. | ||
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On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote: Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town. What's your reasoning here? A random before-any-posting dayvig shot doesn't really mean a lot - with a game with as many unique rules (and factions!) as this one, I don't see how we can confirm anyone town this early. | ||
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If anyone has doubts about my ability to play transparently, please go take a look at Student Mafia. It's from a while ago, but I think I did a good job of playing very transparently, honestly, and actively in that game. | ||
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I'm not retarded? Kill flavor of "consumed by shadow and flame", and the first thing I thought of was JRR Tolkien's description of the Balrog as "wreathed in shadow and flame". In addition, I knew that the idea of a Balrog role was something that had been used in previous TL Mafia games. | ||
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On March 18 2012 00:24 Bluelightz wrote: Hassy, IF Drazerk is third party, should we lynch him? I'm thinking we should because that its the best bet we have for a day 1 lynch. No way! He's basically a town-controlled dayvig right now. If we decide to kill him later, that's fine, but for now I believe we can use him. | ||
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On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote: Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it. I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item. | ||
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On March 18 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote: yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove. Was this sarcasm? It reads like sarcasm, but it's really hard to tell with just text. | ||
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On March 18 2012 00:50 Maverick32x wrote: Now okay, all of those are people that I would never pick for this election... And I know there are more people than that who put their name in.. so why pick you 3? I picked the three people who had multiple posts/significant interest, from what I could see. If you want the full list: MidnightGladius is voting for himself. gonzaw is voting for himself. Grackaroni is voting for himself. Drazerk and Blazinghand are voting for Blazinghand. Paperscraps, RayzorFlash, Bluelightz, and Velinath are voting for Velinath. Adam4167 is voting for himself. I think that's it unless I'm blind. | ||
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On March 18 2012 01:51 Drazerk wrote: I had two choices upon my win con change - 1) Keep around and just try and get lucky 2) Claim and ally with town and hope scum or someone else does it for me What do you think someone else who has a similar role would do? This still doesn't explain why you should have any preference towards any specific Wheatley candidate as it relates to your win con, which is what you implied. Unless you're still assuming I'm third party because I was able to put two and two together and figure out your role name. | ||
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On March 18 2012 02:00 sinani206 wrote: Apparently because he "understands this whole thing" or something like that. That's complete and utter bullshit. Don't elect Velinath. I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath. Kill me? Why? If we can find a better candidate, I'm willing to throw my support behind them, but honestly I feel I make a fairly good candidate here. I've already said I'm willing to be completely transparent when it comes to abilities that the Wheatley office receives. I'm not a third party or scum. I'm town aligned. Why would you want to lynch me day 1? | ||
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Even given that, however, I agree that his motivations for an early shot and wincon changes are a little shady. I guess the big emphasis here is that we can't take Drazerk's claim of third party at face value. | ||
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On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade. Thoughts? I think his claim's bogus. It's quite coincidental that he just happens to reveal that he has an item that kills two lynch votes on him right when he's about to be lynched. That said, I don't see a problem with being "better safe than sorry". If we have someone that can take Drazerk out tonight, then that's probably better overall for the town. | ||
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I'd like to hear more on Dirk before I make a decision as far as voting him, but I do agree that Foolishness made a good point. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. Man, your credibility is already shot. Give us something more than this to explain why this is a good idea. | ||
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Same with your "Cyber_Cheese is scum" call. How do you get there based on a complete lack of posting especially this early? If he's lurking due to being scum, he'll have to post soon or risk modkill. If he's lurking due to something else - say, real life - well, I guess my big issue here is that this early especially, there's no way to really discern this. | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:11 phagga wrote: I think you do have a leg to stand on, specially as he made several other types which were more severe and were not EBWOPed. the last two are even from the very same post where he EBWOPed the "link" typo. Why fix only the "link" one and not the other two? It might be a bit of a stretch, and I don't think it justifies a lynch already, but it's noteworthy. The one thing that stands out is that "link" to "links" is the only one of those typos that actually changed the content of the sentence (which is something that was brought up on the last page). Does that mean anything? No idea, but it should be noted anyway. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:29 Blazinghand wrote: Fair enough. I still consider the chief goal to avoid electing a power role to Wheatley. We want someone as (rule-wise) worthless as possible, since if he turns, we won't lose hard assets for the town. I also thing we want someone who's definitely town. So... me. Another thought (and I'm not sure this will work) is that we could just never kill GLaDOS, and Wheatley won't turn evil? So if you're arguing that we should vote you on the basis of avoiding electing a power role, are you claiming vanilla townie? | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:12 Blazinghand wrote: You MUST be aware that asking/answering that question is a bad move for town. I feel like you kind of made it an issue with your last post. | ||
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On March 19 2012 00:27 Drazerk wrote: We don't know how many town there are as it is a closed set up. 4 super third party 4 sleeper cells 4+? scum Then you have all your lurkers etc and people who won't vote me so your looking at around 10% of them going to someone useful at best And if you have an item that kills 2 random people that vote-lynched you, and it's mostly TP/scum voting for you as you're theorizing...well, personally speaking I'm fine with losing 3 non-town-aligned people early (assuming your theory's true which I honestly doubt) | ||
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On March 19 2012 01:21 Drazerk wrote: I've traded the items to the cell leader who nicely contacted me. See what you have done Excellent now we have absolutely no reason not to lynch you | ||
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm just going to assume this is still your thing about how I must be third party. I've already explained how your reasoning doesn't work there. | ||
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On March 19 2012 02:26 Drazerk wrote: Yeah your arguments didn't work up and I had the cell leader DT scan you  Alright, now I know you've been lying basically the whole time, because I've stated before (and will again now) that I am town. | ||
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On March 19 2012 02:28 Grackaroni wrote: He can correct me if I'm wrong but I think his only other game was student and he acted transparently in that game as well. My only completed game to date is Student Mafia, yes. | ||
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Let's think about this. You supposedly give your items to the sleeper cell leader, which pretty much equates to you saying that you're not going to help the town at all. Then, you try to destroy my credibility. Yeah, that's believable. | ||
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On March 19 2012 02:49 Kenpachi wrote: This town sucks Because you've contributed so much? You expected us to fulfill one of your objectives without anything concrete to back it up, and when people expressed skepticism you gave your item to the now-hostile third party. Okay. | ||
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On March 19 2012 03:12 Grackaroni wrote: I went through his filter he never even claimed to be chell Where are you getting this from? Drazerk claimed for him | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:05 Grackaroni wrote: Great so he told the truth about Velinath being 3rd party. How do you figure? He had role names, throwing out random accusations means nothing. I'm town. | ||
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It's kind of like an inventor, but limited. Basically, I can give items to players. These items are essentially equivalent to roles, but they're one-shot. I also can't just give items out to everyone; I'm limited in how many I can distribute. That's all I know right now, but I think this role might expand as the game goes on. I'll keep you posted if anything else happens or the scope of the office expands. | ||
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Like I said, it's not exactly like inventor. I guess I could elaborate a bit more than I did - I'm limited in what I can give out to a predefined list of items. | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:29 Hassybaby wrote: Lemonade or grenades? Either way I'd expect you to demand to see the manager if you get it at first. Vel, a bit more explanation if you can. You say you can make one-use items, so does that mean you can make more that one of the same item to pass out? Like if grack wants two lemons? I can get more than one of the same item, as far as I can tell. Lemons are not among those items though. | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:43 gonzaw wrote: Eh? The point of my questions was about how you should STOP talking about GLaDOS and contribute more. And I asked you for your reads. I can't "find answers" to the "What does player X think of player Y?" question if they never state their reads. That's not enough, give us more information. What is the exact list of items you can invent? Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it. Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess. Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on. | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:51 Nisani201 wrote: Are you saying that there is an item that is being used to create these other items? It's not an item. I need to clarify with the mods to make sure I can share how it works, please hold. | ||
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On March 19 2012 09:00 gonzaw wrote: Why could you create a bucket of water? What specific thing about your Role PM tells you you could create such an object? Stop being vague Velinath, you promised to be transparent about this, so stop wasting our time, just spill everything out from the get go. What resource? Again, spill it out. I'm waiting for the mods to get back to me before I clarify because I'd rather not risk getting modkilled and wasting the entire day 1 election. | ||
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On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote: My opinion now is that Velinath is now a huge danger to town. We now we have possible evidence from Drazerk's claims that Velinath could be a 3rd party along with his Wheatley ability. Yes Drazerk lied about many things, but he also didn't lie about other parts. What possible motive would he have to have to initiate the election for Velinath and then do a 180 and say "don't vote for him he's a 3rd party" if he didn't run his DT check and it came back great power on Velinath? So based on this, 3rd parties can win with any faction, why does Velinath have to stay town-aligned? He doesn't, and he's a item factory that we cannot control. I don't know why you're trusting Drazerk on anything given that he was all over the map with his claims. He also claimed that Wiggles was not the same as he was, which would be the use of his power as well. Since from what I can tell of his role PM he could only use this once per day, at least one of those claims is false. | ||
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I am a Town player. I am not 3rd party or a Planar Dragon. I will be more than happy to follow town consensus regarding the item thing. It's not exactly creating items, and I'll explain how the whole thing works once I get confirmation from mods that I can. Inventor was the easiest way to describe it in the context of the game, but as I said there's more to it. | ||
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The Wheatley role gives me access to the Black Market, where I can buy items (and apparently, "services" from other people with access to this) with currency. Right now, I can buy the items I've listed for you previously in the thread. I know for a fact right now that there are others with this access, but I don't know who they are or what faction they are. I can sell items too, I think, but I'm a little hazy on that. The way the whole "giving items" thing works is that I can buy an item and immediately have it given to a person I specify. The Black Market is based around aliases, so if you ask me to buy a specific item and I then purchase it in the Black Market, other people with access to the Black Market will know the alias I post under (they'll be able to compare post times, etc). Please keep that in mind, if you'd like me to purchase items. | ||
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@Grack I can gift myself items. I will not do so unless the town's okay with me doing so since people probably still have some reservations about my town alignment. | ||
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I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. | ||
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On March 19 2012 12:06 gonzaw wrote: Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could. Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least? Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it. Aliases are based on BW players. As far as I can tell these aliases have no relation to the actual game. I'd post a list, but there are like 3 people on that list so far and I'd rather not out myself that quickly to the other members of the market. Unless you think that getting rid of my anonymity to two people I don't know is a good idea, in which case I guess I could. | ||
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On March 19 2012 13:41 Lanaia wrote: He claimed the angry core would take two people down with him, no? Doesn't matter, even if he got it it would be disabled per his role PM. | ||
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On March 19 2012 15:00 gonzaw wrote: Posting clear is a good thing, but not enough. The Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around every once in a while and makes a single "clear" point. If you were anybody else, this would have been fine (for the most part). But you are not, and I expect a lot of you; initially I expect you to be more active, and at least have posts that have more than 6-7 lines. You tell me you can't write a 30-line poem or so? If you really want to keep up with this rhyme bullshit, then at least do it right. If rhyming is your post restriction It doesn't mean you have to follow it perfectly Trying too hard to do it is just a constriction You don't even need to do it subtly For instance you can just make it apparent that you want to write in verse but then just post whatever is your intent I mean, you can still write verse without it being a rhyme. His post restriction's probably limerick. That makes things a little trickier. | ||
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On March 20 2012 08:27 ghost_403 wrote: An interesting flip. Saw the Gonzaw one coming a mile away. I think it's safe to assume at this point that Kanti has the stabilizer whatever. Velinath, were you the one to get the security camera? What's it do? Also, I thought there was supposed to be "full role reveal on death" ie no flip. Hosts, is this actually a no flip game? Also, can we update the OP with the correct time? No, I do not have a security camera. Inventor is obviously an actual role in this game | ||
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On March 20 2012 08:34 Hassybaby wrote: It wasn't exactly a clever move...there was literally no need to do it. I'd guess the security camera is a DT check. Vel should be able to confirm though. There are 3 people who have been burned to death, so I assume that's the Mafia KP? obviously you didn't read when i explained that inventor was just the most convenient way to explain the black market before i got mod confirmation that i could reveal the black market | ||
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On March 20 2012 08:42 ghost_403 wrote: Kenpachi, why should we lynch GLaDOS over scum/3rd party/everything else that's trying to kill us? More importantly is it actually a lynch or is it just a majority in the thread? | ||
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On March 20 2012 09:27 Jayjay54 wrote: ==> seems legit and has nothing to do with new information you got concerning your rule, right? @david: you're welcome bro <3 And then a night post and a day post happened, and GLaDOS is acting just as sadistic as she did in Portal. It doesn't sound healthy. Plus, I can see "sent to android hell" being a GLaDOS kill flavor, and I had a town read on Foolishness. | ||
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On March 20 2012 11:06 Zephirdd wrote: hmmm GlaDOS kill flavor would be something of the kind "killed during testing", "tore in thousands of pieces by turrets", "punished for jumping into toxic water" or simply "neurotoxined". Android hell? Nope, that's not GlaDOS. You don't think so? It was something that she threatened during Portal 1, as has been previously mentioned. I wouldn't immediately eliminate the possibility | ||
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On March 20 2012 12:45 Nisani201 wrote: ...or are you just speculating? I assume you're talking to sinani, but I can probably answer. If there is a takeover mechanic (which isn't confirmed), I know nothing about how it works. I don't think it's even possible to confirm other cores as in the game unless they were roles and not voted offices. | ||
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Nobody's bought anything from the black market yet. | ||
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On March 21 2012 04:00 kitaman27 wrote: Given the opportunity to buy a watcher/medic/whatever role, you decided not to? Why is that? You've used the black market to cover up the fact that you aren't scum hunting. Why aren't you being transparent with you scum reads like you promised when elected? They're one-shot items, and I'm limited on money at the moment (only got 700 to start, and the sentry gun for example is 300 by itself). | ||
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Bluelightz I said it day 1, and his play got put down to meta. That said, like it or not, 90% of his posts have been one liners, fluff, and sheeping. The only halfway serious post I've seen out of him was that on Kenpachi, and it's my feeling that Kenpachi, while he may or may not be town (he claimed to win with town), is at worst a third party, and we need to be focusing on lynching scum day 2 onwards. Also, as has been stated, opposed policy lynch and then voted to lynch a lurker (rather than a guaranteed non-town lynch day 1, which is near-best case scenario honestly). One thing that jumps out at me was an immediate sheep on Drazerk's voting me, and then switching to BH with nothing given past "Well, I caught up on the thread..." Dirk is a null read for me right now mainly due to Jayjay's most recent post ("I know stuff about his role which is a semi-strong - strong towntell") - I'll go with that for now. I'd like more though at some point. That said he's obviously a smurf (1 post? Wha?) and if so, he's not playing up to the potential I'd expect from a smurf. blubbdavid On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote: Because I am town. Same as I was in Kaller. Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town So if he posts well, he's scum, and if he posts badly, he's bad town? I fail to see how, either way, we'd lose out by getting rid of him. That said his recent posts haven't been terrible and I assume that the post I quoted was at least mildly hyperbolic. If he continues posting at least semi-quality stuff I'd be willing to hold off. GLaDOS Not a player in the game, but I've been reading the nightpost and dayposts. She seems kind of sadistic. Regardless of whether Ken is a third party or town aligned, I feel that we should get rid of her. I'll add that I think that she killed Foolishness given the kill flavour as I have stated before. | ||
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On March 22 2012 04:43 blubbdavid wrote: There is the possibility that they are not allowed to claim their party or wincondition. I got suspicious when Grack siad that he was 4th party, but later he then said that he was town. And I should have looked around better before I asked Kenpachi if he was town, because he answered that in his second post. Grack's claim was really obviously a joke. | ||
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On March 22 2012 09:49 catplanetcatplanet wrote: If this was really like Portal you probably wouldn't throw me in the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator. This mafia seems to have taken away the uniqueness of GLaDOS and made her just a narrator rather than a controlling antagonist. just want an explanation. Are you even playing in this game? | ||
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Might be anti town, no way to be sure due to anonymity on market. I doubt it is kita though, Palmar's slip should have rwlly given anyone with smurfs (ie companion cub) would normally make people more watchful on what acct they werelogged into | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:20 Jayjay54 wrote: Ghost is your BIGGEST town read right now? are you kidding me? One of three or four that I have pretty pegged as town. I wasn't going to give the item to someone like Dirk or blubbdavid, anyway. I'm not entirely stupid. | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:23 Paperscraps wrote: Maybe because he is Wheatley he has to do dumb things. Velinath has become progressively scummier over the past couple days. I don't have to do dumb things -_- my reads differ from yours? deal with it | ||
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In contrast, sinani hasn't really contributed any content yet, and really didn't "pressure" me at all when he accepted that I said I was town at face value (day 1). Frankly I think he was trying to sneak by and make it look like he was contributing; I certainly wouldn't back off as quickly if I was really trying to pressure someone. I find this unimpressive and honestly, it looks like scum trying to pull a fast one. ##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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Obviously you think you have better reads than me, and that's cool, but I made a call. I didn't give him anything that could kill someone, for what it's worth. | ||
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On March 23 2012 09:31 Jayjay54 wrote: I don't think, I have better reads than you, where did you read that? I just question your ghost read and want to know why you think he's town over a bunch of other players. And why didn't you use the item yourself? I didn't use the item myself because people have had doubts since day 1 that I was town, so I gave it to someone who looked town to me (again, based on his defense, which certainly persuaded me). If I were to use the item myself I didn't believe it would have as much credence if I reported results from said item. Does that make sense? I'm really tired.  | ||
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On March 23 2012 09:44 Nisani201 wrote: Velinath do you have any abilities that activate when people visit you? No. | ||
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On March 23 2012 09:48 MidnightGladius wrote: Velinath, are we supposed to trust ghost to also be transparent and use the item for the good of the town? From his last post, it surely doesn't seem like it :/. I would personally have felt much more comfortable if you had just used the item yourself and announced it. People had expressed their distrust in me so I went with someone who I thought was town instead. Obviously people think I made a bad choice. | ||
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On March 23 2012 10:18 Nisani201 wrote: Townie who doesn't care, or scum who knows he's going to get lynched? Either way, that makes him a pretty decent lynch target. | ||
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On March 23 2012 10:20 Nisani201 wrote: Velinath the point is that he was hesitant. alright, point taken | ||
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On March 23 2012 11:00 ghost_403 wrote: @nisani: Why are you do you think that I'm scum for admitting that I'm not 100% sure of my vote, and have nothing to say about the players who joined on the bandwagon saying nothing? Perfect example, our dear friend sinani. I voted to lynch a scummy lurker. He voted to avoid a no lynch. What makes me so much more scummier than him? while you're here, could you confirm that you received an item please | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
@Wiggles I already stated that I have no powers that activate on someone visiting me, 1 or 2 pages ago. I assume that's what a PGO is. | ||
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United States694 Posts
Keep in mind there are items in the game that do this too. | ||
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United States694 Posts
On March 23 2012 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, then I want to see what Dirk claims. I can't really see anyone besides one of you two attracting 3 people on night 1, so if he claims he doesn't kill visitors, then we most likely have a liar between the two of you. If anyone else has ideas for what might have killed them, I'm all ears. For reference: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner Thanks for the reference. Yeah, definitely not me. | ||
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United States694 Posts
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I have some stuff to take care of today, so I will be able to post later on more | ||
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United States694 Posts
On March 26 2012 00:39 zelblade wrote: Lose or gain? Realised I forgot to do some importatnt assignment, went to do it. Going back to bed now.. Hope i didnt forget anything. Im such a retard sometimes >< Gain, sorry. | ||
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United States694 Posts
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Loved the postgame from Foolishness  | ||
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United States694 Posts
Jayjay54 (blue) MidnightGladius (green) kitaman27 (blue) zelblade (blue) Foolishness (blue) Velinath (green) Phagga (green) Sbrubbles (green) Adam4167 (blue) ghost_403 (blue) Mr. Wiggles (cell) maverick32x (green) Mementoss (scum) Kenpachi (green/lyncher) Nisani201 (cell) Dirk Hardpec (scum) Paperscraps (scum) blubbdavid (cell) | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
I was pretty happy about that, heh | ||
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