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Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 10 2012 09:35 GMT
#33
/in

This theme just speaks of awesomeness.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 16 2012 22:45 GMT
#216
I would have to agree with VE, there has been a trend in the past games where town players don't put the necessary effort into the game and get lynched for it. A certain level or participation and serious should be required. Ultimately the game will be better for it.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 16 2012 23:10 GMT
#226
Sweet! Excited to get this started.

I need to earn back my collaboration points for halting science.

Question: Should people out if they have/receive items?

Full transparency and what not is good for town.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 16 2012 23:17 GMT
#232
On March 17 2012 08:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:10 Paperscraps wrote:
Sweet! Excited to get this started.

I need to earn back my collaboration points for halting science.

Question: Should people out if they have/receive items?

Full transparency and what not is good for town.


I don't know man, there's probably thiefs, item blockers and so on.

It's the small version of a mass roleclaim, I guess...so I am against it.


Yeah, I didn't think about thiefs, etc... Probably best to not disclose things right now.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 16 2012 23:24 GMT
#245
On March 17 2012 08:22 Drazerk wrote:
I claim the day vig that killed VE


You have got some balls, haha.

Well now we know there is third party roles in this game. Should make things interesting.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 16 2012 23:25 GMT
#246
EBWOP: I should clarify we know of one third party role in the game so far.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 17 2012 08:59 GMT
#419
Just wanted to clarify when I said we know that a third party is in the game, i.e. the sleeper cell, I should have said that this game is multi-factional. That is what I meant. As third-party suggest one lone person trying to win by themselves, so I was mistaken by saying that.

Regardless of Drazerk's motivations for the vig shot, town is in a good spot and has more information. His reasoning behind the shot is sound.

I am going to vote Dirk Hardpec until he posts something and stops lurking.

Also I like Velinath for Wheatley right now. Everyone voting themselves aren't really helping much.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 17 2012 20:01 GMT
#573
On March 18 2012 03:16 gonzaw wrote:
@Paperscraps: I hope you come back before the day ends, now that Dirk posted. Why were you absent previously? You live in the States, so your time zone is not that different from mine. However perhaps you were indeed sleeping (for instance), and I'd like to know if that's true or not.


It was a Friday night. I went out with friends to get food, then we gamed. I posted when I got back pretty late. I am going to unvote Dirk now, since Dirk has posted something.




Velinath continues to be a good candidate for Wheatley.

I like MidnightGladius. He has been posting good content.

Also Foolishness is good people.




As far as the Drazerk lynch is concerned. I am okay with lynching Drazerk if we can't decide on another decent target.
I won't condemn him for claiming after he shot, since I did the same thing in my last mafia game. I do find it hard to believe that town will be able to control him, if we let him live until tomorrow. Already out of the gate he has proved to be controversial and a bit of a wild card. Unstable comes to mind when I think of Drazerk.

Everything he says seems legit enough, but if he has to kill Gandalf to win, then he must be killed. His random shot makes me think that his win con was to kill Gandalf all along and he was going for a very lucky snipe from the beginning.




I would actually be good with lynching Bluelightz as well, because I can never read him. He always posts non-sense and trying to follow his logic on things is straining to say the least. So far Bluelightz has not been playing to his meta, but who knows what that could mean, haha.

He hasn't buddied with anyone or made a town list which I find odd.




Hmmm, the more I think about it, the more I want Bluelightz over Drazerk at the moment.

Two things for this.
1. Scum or vig will possibly shoot Drazerk tonight. This either wastes a scum shot on Drazerk or gives us a cleared vig tomorrow, hopefully.
2. Bluelightz has been playing this game very different from the last game I was in with him. His posting is still bad, but not the same kind of bad.

I am voting up Bluelightz.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 17 2012 22:36 GMT
#589
4. Holder gives it/them away to a target (May not use an item the night it is given away or recieved).


Question: Can items be given away during the day as well as night?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 18 2012 08:58 GMT
#665
Foolishness is a boss. Definitely a good target to be saved tonight.

Velinath continues to impress upon me he should be elected.

I am also ok with lurkers being shot in the night. Just make sure you claim before you do so.




On March 18 2012 17:40 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 17:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Why are people giving me their votes?



What is this... I don't even...



On March 18 2012 17:51 Bluelightz wrote:
Seriously Dirk, step up, like others said your analysis post is fluffy as derp and your not helping town in any way.


This looks like buddying to me. Bluelightz or Dirk are a good lynch. I will keep my vote on Bluelightz for my reasons stated earlier.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 18 2012 22:17 GMT
#890
So yeah just woke up and caught up with the thread a bit.

Drazerk is by far the best lynch now.

##Unvote: Bluelights

##Vote: Drazerk
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 19 2012 21:10 GMT
#1143
I just woke up and was at work all weekend. I have finals this week, so my activity level might be a bit low. I still feel I will be able to contribute and find scum.




Dirk is probably scum. He wants to lynch Foolishness who I think is very town. It is definitely OMGUS and he hasn't really provided any enlightening material. He is AtEing pretty hard to not be shot tonight, instead of actually scum hunting.

Bluelightz is still suspicious to me. His filter is different than other games. A lot of one liners and not as many bad cases as usual. Honestly I have played with Bluelightz enough now I think I can kind of read him. This game I think he is scum. Bluelightz has buddied with Dirk a bit, then he is setting him self up for a soft bus. I find it odd how Bluelightz singled out Sinani from the beginning. Maybe it was just luck or maybe Bluelightz is bussing again.

Sinani is another scum read for me. His complete flip on the Drazerk lynch bothers me. He has contributed anything concrete. Just look at Sinani's filter and this isn't a hard read.

The interactions between all three of Dirk/Blue/Sinani have brought me to this conclusion. I am using meta to read Bluelightz as well. I just don't see Bluelightz calling out Sinani like that so early on without knowing something others dont. Dirk is pretty obvious scum as well.




gonzaw is interesting this game. I have only played with him once before when he was scum. I don't see that gonzaw right now. He is very active, but his incessant amount of questions bothers me. Right now I am leaning town on gonzaw, but he might possibly be third party. I dont think gonzaw is scum.




Zephirdd is going to push on me tomorrow, so I will just refute it now and to give us more time tomorrow to hunt real scum.

On March 19 2012 01:32 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 17:58 Paperscraps wrote:
Foolishness is a boss. Definitely a good target to be saved tonight.

Velinath continues to impress upon me he should be elected.

I am also ok with lurkers being shot in the night. Just make sure you claim before you do so.




On March 18 2012 17:40 Bluelightz wrote:
On March 18 2012 17:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Why are people giving me their votes?



What is this... I don't even...



On March 18 2012 17:51 Bluelightz wrote:
Seriously Dirk, step up, like others said your analysis post is fluffy as derp and your not helping town in any way.


This looks like buddying to me. Bluelightz or Dirk are a good lynch. I will keep my vote on Bluelightz for my reasons stated earlier.


> Directs blues
> Asks for blue claims

Yeah, I'm electing BH and I got my scum right here.

[b]##Elect: BH[/b
##VoteLynch: Paperscraps



Extras for his case:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=62048

> Unnecessary clarifications
> Finds a lurker to park his vote in
> Keeps saying how good Velinath is, even though it was suggested by the one player he wants to lynch
> Wants to lynch Bluelightz because Bluelightz is Bluelightz; Never has a solid target

And most importantly, a very low activity as to be very careful with his own posts.

If anything, I'd say Veli is scumbuddy with Paper; However I am not sure about that at this point. Still, it's pretty clear that all Paper has done is to try to buddy up with a relatively well accepted player(as in, many people want him elected) while staying wishy-washy with his lynch targets. Oh, and of course, blue fishing.



Honestly I thought Zephridd was joking or something, because the arguments against me were so bad. Hence why I didnt respond.

1. I said Foolishness would be a good save, because he is pro-town and has great reads so far. I don't control the blues, but if I can help them save an asset to town I will.
2. Completely misinterpreted my asking for vigs to claim their shot before shooting as role fishing. This point is so bad I don't know what to think.
3. The second part of his post isn't objective at all. I took my vote off Dirk when he posted and put it on some one I thought was scum. The rest is just weird conjecture on how Velinath is scum, so I must be scum and I am buddying a "well-accepted" player. Velinath is well-accepted for a reason. Use your head bro.

Low-activity does not equate scum. I have explained why I haven't been super active. I have however provided more thoughtful posts than half the players in this game.

With all that being said I think Zephridd is town for now. (LOL at him calling me noob/town after making this case against me, haha. Dat irony)

"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 20 2012 10:29 GMT
#1224
So anyone else think that Kenpachi's win con has something to do with getting Glados lynched?

Not sure what to think of it at the moment. Wheatley also supports it. Something to think about.

Honestly I would like Kenpachi to share some reasoning on why he wants Glados dead so badly.



Am I correct in that Sinani will be killed by some residual effect? If so, I think that is pretty cool.




I am still for a Dirk or Bluelightz lynch today. Will post more stuff, once I wake up.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 21 2012 02:17 GMT
#1313
Like I stated earlier I have finals this week and worked a ton over the weekend. That is why my posts come in bursts. I will be more active between now and the deadline. My filter is small, but there is very little filler in it.



Anyways on to things that matter.

Dirk is the best lynch now if he is only going to leave a one liner for his defense.

JJ's defense of Dirk is confusing me. I think JJ is town, but he is defending one of the scummiest people in this game. I guess this is going to come down trusting some report from JJ or our reads on Dirk. Reports can be falsified and/or inaccurate.

Bluelightz recent case against Kenpachi is more in line with his town meta, so I will need to re evaluate my read on him.

Kenpachi is hard to read for me. Based on pure meta he is town, but he isn't helping scum hunt at all. My gut says he is town, but logic says he is scum/third party.

Also @Zephirdd Why do you think that Dirk and Bluelightz are easy targets? Who should I be focusing on then if they are such easy lynches? I am not sure what you are trying to get at.

I am voting up Dirk Hardpec. I am not going to doubt myself like last game and let some I think is scum slip away.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 21 2012 21:34 GMT
#1418
Switching to Bluelightz so we can have a majority lynch today.

LOL at the Palmar smurf slip, haha. Now his play makes a lot more sense. Time to meta read his filter.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 22 2012 19:33 GMT
#1525
Why did everyone think Kita was the companion cube again? Am I missing something?

Also what is the logic behind the companion cube being scum?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 22 2012 20:24 GMT
#1532
On March 23 2012 04:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 04:33 Paperscraps wrote:
Why did everyone think Kita was the companion cube again? Am I missing something?

Also what is the logic behind the companion cube being scum?

Cube posted a link as if he was talking as kitaman ie. Forgot to log off the CC account, similar to how Palmar slipped his idendity.

also, cube is related to aperture sci. Similar to how the turret(bluelightz) was. However now we know it was bought from the black market.
considering its disruptive behavior, I think it is safe to assume that the cube is controled by an antitown player.


Oh ok, that makes sense about the smurf slip thing. Even though Kita is denying it.

Doesn't the cube help you get through levels? Like it isn't a hostile object, but a tool to be wielded to pass obstacles?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#1549
Foolishness is back! wooooooo

Excited for dem ryhymes.

I can understand the Zeph and Grack kills, but not the Willz kill.

So, Blazing and Zeph were killed by the same flavor.

Willz, Cwave, Cyber Cheese and RaysorFlash were killed by the same flavor.

Interesting.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#1557
Maybe because he is Wheatley he has to do dumb things. Velinath has become progressively scummier over the past couple days.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 24 2012 21:08 GMT
#1759
Finals are done! Wooooooooo

I think Nisani is the real inventor. He had no counter-claims. Also the idea of him being a scum inventor seems pretty ridiculous.

I do agree with the Sinani lynch.

So, I will be voting him up.



Has anyone figured out yet what type of role Kenpachi might be? He has talked about lynching Glados everyday, so it seems like it is apart of his role. Like the Cave Johnson thing "We're done here." Lynching Glados seems like it would be
a good idea at some point and would probably tell us a lot about Kenpachi's alignment.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 25 2012 21:38 GMT
#1886
On March 26 2012 05:34 Nisani201 wrote:
Invention Name: Color Radiator
At any time you may choose 4 targets. In return you will get the number of alignments in the selection.

eg 2 town 1 scum 1 cell


That would be sweet. Don't use it on the dead yet though. Alive players are more of a threat, unless someone is going to use the Jesus ability again on someone else.



Dirk Hardpec
After reading over Palmar's filter I still read him as scum. Town Palmar puts more effort into the game and isn't afraid to piss people off and call them out for stupid things. Dirk has done nothing of the sort this game. Now that being said, that is just the read I get. Multiple people say that he is a mason, so I will be inclined to believe that for now. Until some more flips occur.

If Dirk/Palmar is scum, then Jayjay is most likely scum as well. Because of the hard defense and some of Jayjay's cases and reads have been slightly off base in my opinion.

All in all Jayjay seems town to me, so his read on Dirk hold some weight with me.

blubbdavid
Read through blub's filter. He is scum. Very little analysis. He has been tunneling on Nisani and Sbrubbles. blub's cases on Sbrubbles is pretty thin. Sbrubbles' filter is small, but the content is actually decent. Nisani has been pretty transparent over the past day about the inventor role. The slight defense of the Kita smurf thing by blub is interesting.

kitaman27
kitaman is scum as well. This is harder to explain. kita's slight interactions here and there with some of the more scummy players in this game are something to note. I guess the biggest tell will be if Dirk dies tonight from being marked from death, even though he denies it right now. Dirk / Kita being on the same team seem very unlikely. Kita could possibly be third party though.

tldr; blub and kita should die.

The above reads are just what jumped out to me when catching up on the thread. I still need to re read and look into some of the more lurkish players.



foolishness
foolishness is somewhat of an enigma right now. A lot of his reads are spot on, but now he is calling me scum. I am going to assume it is a reaction test. His read on me seems to be from meta and more specifically when I was blue roles. I always seem a bit scummy every game, because that is how I get reactions from people and scum hunt. I will agree that I haven't been the most active this game, but activity != alignment. I just finished final's week.

Over the past day he has made a lot of accusations. I would like to see a more focused effort on who is scum, rather than just pointing fingers at everyone. Also I find it convenient that foolishness is able to use meta to read us this game, but we have no real basis to read him this game due to his unique posting style. Just something to consider. Although right now foolishness seems very town to me, due to the majority of his reads and him being resurrected. Plus his rhymes are baller.
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