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On March 17 2012 10:58 Kenpachi wrote: kk so i lied. im actually not townie but i get super powers if a majority types ##Vote: GLaDOS Also elect me for Wheatly. itll help a lot. Why should we give you super powers? | ||
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Also can someone please explain why valineth is a good choice for wheatley? | ||
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stop posting so i can read the thread. | ||
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-JayJay is smart -Drazerk is scum or liar -MidnightGladius is someone who I'd like to be mayor but it's unlikely that he will win because he has no votes right now -Blzinghand and Velinath are pretty much the same people, still not sure which of them to vote for but since they pretty much have the same opinions it's not like it matters. -Kenpachi is stupid and spamming up the thread as usual; his scum meta is to lurk AFAIK but I still don't trust him since he has done nothing to make himself look trustworthy. I don't like his apathetic mindset. so anyways ##Vote: Drazerk (also this is my 1000th post, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay) | ||
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How much information do you have about this? | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote: Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it. Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess. Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on. Are you saying that there is an item that is being used to create these other items? | ||
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Also, what is your read on Valineth? | ||
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On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote: Game Setup Information [...] This is a Closed setup :D However there will be full role reveal upon death, so at least that’s something. I don't know why there were no flips. The only possibility I can think of is that the flips are delayed and will be revealed to us later. | ||
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I also think that Dirk is scum because he I feel like a lot of his posts are misguiding discussion of the thread. He hasn't posted any of his reads. I've been reading through filters and it's hard to find good lynch candidates. Since Drazerk was 3P it's hard to draw connections/information from his list because pretty much everyone hated him. However we should still look at people that were vocally hesitant to vote him because those people could suspect him of being in the sleeper cell and not want to lynch one of their members. | ||
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I still want to lynch Dirk though. | ||
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On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote: Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 (Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This Case You played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. | ||
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##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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On March 22 2012 13:02 Kenpachi wrote: kk. lets kill GLaDOS ##vote: GLaDOS no. | ||
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On March 23 2012 01:13 Jayjay54 wrote: At that time the vote count was: Lightz 5 Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani) Kenpachi 2 Kita 1 Ghost 1 Wiggles 1 When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit. You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really? I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF. Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again? You say you are suspicious of lightz early on? This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention. Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched. I skimmed the voting thread. The fact is that there was a lot more discussion in the thread about DIrk than Bluelightz, so I thought that he was more likely to get lynched then Bluelightz. And I wasn't randomly dropping a name in that other post. What more do you want than "he goes on my scum list"? | ||
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I got the security camera yesterday and I used it on Velinath. The camera worked just like watcher (I target someone and can see who visited them that day) willz22912 visited him and he was later burned to death. I looked into ghost and I don't like how he has been very hesitant/unsure on all of his reads. Like look at this post: On March 22 2012 05:22 ghost_403 wrote: I'm more comfortable with a Bluelightz lynch than a Dirk lynch at the moment. I don't think either of them are great choices, but of the two, Bluelightz is better. The thing that I find most interesting is the fact that Bluelightz has responded to none of the recent criticizms while he has been paying attention in the thread. Of note is the fact that he posted 20min after PalmarDirk's derp moment (here), while ignoring the fact that a bandwagon was forming against him. Townie who doesn't care, or scum who knows he's going to get lynched? Either way, that makes him a pretty decent lynch target. Other than that, he's posted nothing of substance in the thread. Out of everyone else who's currently being voted: Kenpachi: I'm thinking 3rd party aligned with town Bluelightz: see above Dirk: I'm willing to trust JJ at the time being on this one, and not vote against him today. However, I would expect better play from Palmar. Mr. Wiggles, Sbrubbles, and Kita I have null reads on at the moment, and I'm going to go fix that right now. If I had more time, I would read into the rest of the filters, but I'm headed out in an hour or so. I think I'll just start at the top of the list and work my way down. @Dirk: JJ says you have some kind of town aligned power or something. Care to expand on that at all? He says he doesn't like either lynch target and then attacks Bluelightz. It just seems weird to me. As such, ##Vote: ghost | ||
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I'm more comfortable with a Bluelightz lynch than a Dirk lynch at the moment. I don't think either of them are great choices, but of the two, Bluelightz is better. | ||
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On March 23 2012 10:16 MidnightGladius wrote: You received a watcher item at the beginning of Day 2, used it, and saw that willz visited Velinath during the Day? I got the camera d2. I used it last night. | ||
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On March 23 2012 19:54 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Haven't read the thread yet. I have a lemon. Nisani's bus on bluelightz was basically a scumclaim ##Vote Nisani201 Lol. What makes you think it was a bus? I've explained everything in the thread. You should read it. | ||
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Voting Dirk does not make me scum. Other people were talking about his scumminess in the thread. Your case is stupid. | ||
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For the most part of this game I've generally had a town read on you. But the fact that you're keeping this up even though I've adequately defended myself makes me start to think that you're scum. But I wont push you today. I still want everyone to look at Ghost's filter and see how much he has been avoiding giving confident reads. He is the best lynch for today. Lynch him. | ||
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On March 23 2012 23:51 MidnightGladius wrote: Yeah, Nisani surviving the Night had to be some kind of fluke. Yeah I know. Who would have guessed that a potential lynch candidate would have been left alive by scum? | ||
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You have to stop looking at this from a scum perspective and look from a town perspective. The fact is that there is a town motive for everything I did. | ||
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Foolishness, can you talk some sense into these people? | ||
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I am the inventor. I can invent anything and give it to anyone, but I can't give to the same person twice. I gave myself the security camera n1. I won't say who I gave the puppet strings to but I can tell what they do. You target someone and all actions done against you are instead done to the puppet. You can also kill the puppet. It works just like the puppet master role in ptp2. If you need more confirmation I will let someone else decide what I invent tonight. | ||
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Yes I gave the strings to jayjay on purpose, because he has the case on me. If I had given them to someone else and they had claimed an item, jay would think that that person was lying. It's absurd to think that I was able to correctly redirect those items two nights in a row. If you need anymore confirmation, as I said, I'll invent whatever you want tonight. I'd much rather not lynch Sinani since he's the guy we're supposed to lynch when there aren't any other candidates. I'll look into it once I'm off my phone. | ||
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On March 25 2012 00:37 ghost_403 wrote: @sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today. I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game. I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.) There's nothing I can do about that. | ||
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On March 25 2012 00:41 kitaman27 wrote: Since when can an inventor give himself an item? That would be incredibly imbalanced and there would never be any reason for a player to ever give an item to anyone else other than themselves. Read my claim. I can't give to the same person twice. | ||
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On March 25 2012 00:52 Sbrubbles wrote: He claimed he can't give to the same person twice. But still if you're an inventor and can give yourself an item (if only once), why the hell wouldn't you give yourself a protection-type item, on night 1? Maybe because I wanted information. | ||
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On March 25 2012 05:55 Jayjay54 wrote: but why me? why not give it to someone else you got a townread on? This might not convince me, but certainly all the others. Actually I'd be a lot more convinced if I heard it from someone else. Now it looks as if you checked me out with a portal gun and then claimed... You think that I correctly guessed who the inventor target was-- two nights in a row, without even knowing that an inventor was in the game? | ||
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Repair tool wouldn't give us any information. | ||
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Should I make the N1 reveal item or not? | ||
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I'll see if I can just make a color radiator that works on dead people. | ||
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At any time you may choose 4 targets. In return you will get the number of alignments in the selection. eg 2 town 1 scum 1 cell | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:18 Hassybaby wrote: Ok, i'm now almost certain Dirk isn't town enough to keep alive, so I think he should be a good target tomorrow. If he was around and cared, he would have just said shoot. So he either doesn't care enough, or isn't town. Defo think of him as a target tomorrow What about Kita? | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote: This is a flat out lie, I've repeatedly said I received no indication I was going to be shot, or that I had been shot. Your case on wiggles is bullshit. You posted dumb shit throughout day 2. You need to die now. ##Vote Kitaman27 This + the random letters makes me want to kill Kita. ##Vote Kitaman27 | ||
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I think we should lynch into the color radiator. Starting with Dirk. | ||
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On March 28 2012 09:45 kitaman27 wrote: I can't imagine the two cycles required for equiping and using a different core would be better than the medic core. Is there a reason you ask? If there is an anti-town player searching for a certain item, I'd rather not have to worry about them knowing what I have. I can't make anything that breaks the game. That would probably break the game. | ||
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On March 28 2012 11:35 Foolishness wrote: To make tomorrow a double lynch is a great idea if we're in a pinch. Maybe you submit a vote check kit? Finding mafia, it might help us clinch. Could you elaborate? I'm not sure how this would work. | ||
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On March 28 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote: @JJ: The problem with that is there aren't a lot of not townies with the same alignment left in the game. We have one or two cell, one or two scum, and up to three third parties left. Chances of hitting two people with the same alignment is pretty low. I agree with this. Scatter shot probably isn't a good idea. Right now I'm considering a day vig shot. Also Jayjay is your puppet still alive? | ||
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On March 29 2012 08:04 Kenpachi wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS lets try this again. I might consider this, since we know you're not 3rd party. | ||
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##Vote: Dirk Hardpec | ||
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On March 29 2012 23:35 ghost_403 wrote: Just like Dirk said, role != alignment. We've bent Nisani to our will at this point. He's being forced to help town. In addition, remember that he gave the color radiator to Hassy. Without kita's vig shot, we never would have gotten it in the first place. Food for thought. How does this make me scum? I don't know who's going to get shot at night. | ||
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On March 30 2012 03:17 ghost_403 wrote: Foolishness, Dirk is on fire at the moment, which leads us to believe that without intervention, he will die tonight. Why are you pushing for a Dirk lynch when he's going to die anyway? Did Kita ever claim burning Dirk? Dirk could be lying about being on fire to draw votes off of him. | ||
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Yeah, I'm an idiot. I must have misinterpreted what jk said. At least we can get some info from it | ||
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On March 31 2012 03:14 blubbdavid wrote: Before I go down, I want to hear Kenpachis claim. He can't claim. | ||
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On March 31 2012 15:44 Jayjay54 wrote: WASTE THE SHOT don't shoot the two scummiest persons. That's nothing more than a backdoor for an intentional misuse. I mean, I am thinking that there are 2 scums out there. One Cell. Assuming those numbers, you have a chance of excatly 2,5 % of hitting both of the scum. On the other hand, you have a 46,666% of "accidently shooting two twonies. And loosing us the entire game. You have a 51% or so chance of know that they don't share an alignment. Now what? Yay. No worth. Foolishness, use the shot on Kenpachi and Dirk. If you end up shooting two townies, you are scum. Because I showed you the numbers. This item is anti town. The risk & reward is non-existent. DOOOOON'T USE it. @mav: third is never town, third means third party which is not town...that's what my comment says. This is bullshit and you know it. Probability doesn't work the same way in Mafia. I didn't tell him to randomly shoot two people; I told him to shoot the two scummiest targets. It's very likely that at least one of his best scumreads is actually scum, and that's all we need for the weapon to at least not be entirely wasted. The point is that if he does end up killing two townies, he's going to have to target at least one person that's is 80% town. And if he does that, we lynch him, easy. We get much more information if he actually uses it. | ||
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##Vote GLaDOS | ||
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On April 01 2012 08:46 Jayjay54 wrote: also (I think) GLaDOS needs to be voted in the separate thread... IIRC Kenpachi said it had to be done in this thread. | ||
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Therefore we are left with phagga and maverick. I'm going to sleep. If no one makes a significant case against either of them by morning, I'll look into them myself. | ||
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On April 02 2012 05:04 phagga wrote: Oh, and food for thought: We don't know if Foolishness used the double-kill shot last night. Perhaps he saved it to use it later to gain instant victory as cell? (He could triple kill if he combines it with the cell KP) Also, who has the detective item? Kenpachi had it, but he got removed fro the game. I'm not sure what happened to them. Where do Kenpachi's items go? Are they distributed randomly to people who voted for GLaDOS? | ||
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So after reading through the filters of Phagga and Maverick, I have deduced that Maverick is the last cell. Phagga was actively commenting on a lot of people, something that a Cell member wouldn't want to do, in case they accidentally call out one of their teammates. Therefore that leaves Maverick. Pretty sure he's the last cell. ##Vote: Maverick | ||
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Foolishness isn't scum because he's been acting pro-town this entire game, much like Phagga. Mementoss is a good lynch for tomorrow if Maverick flips town. | ||
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@Foolishness - I would have made a bulletproof vest if you suggested one. Also I was not informed of taking a hit last night. | ||
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On April 04 2012 05:12 phagga wrote: Ok, this is... unexpected. As for the item: How about an item that will reveal once the alignement of its owner at the beginning of the day? So if Nisani gives this item to Mementoss, we will know Mementoss alignement. Should Mementoss be killed, the killers alignment will be revealed. Like this, we would know if mementoss is on our side or not. Also a bit powerfull, but perhaps the hosts allow it? Or else just a single-use DT item, if possible with Vet-functionality (blocks 1 kp). I'm quite curious to see what happens with the night post, but I'm even more tired, so I'm off to bed for now. I hope we can get one of the two proposed items, and I hope to see you again tomorrow. That would be overpowered. I'm just going to make a bullet proof best. | ||
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I might make a day vig item. | ||
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On April 04 2012 06:20 Jayjay54 wrote: what for? I mean, what do you plan to achieve with it considering who your options are for giving it to? I am giving it to either phagga or maverick. | ||
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There is no way that Foolishness had any kind of extra power on top of being the Godsend. That would be overpowered. | ||
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I'd rather not die, but if it will narrow down the last cell then I guess I can do it. | ||
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Works during the day. Target two people, and kill them if they are of different alignment. | ||
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But anyways. I gave the Space Core to hassy after Foolishness died in hopes that it would have some sort of anti-town ability that could be used to grant me an edge. Unfortunately he ended up dying. The mistake scatter shot was a real mistake that I made (I lied VERY little in this game, and most of the mistakes I made were genuine mistakes). So anyways, on the final night Jayjay was telling me to make the real scatter shot. If I didn't make it, I would have been insta-lynched so I had to make it. During the day I had to make 2 very bold assumptions, neither of which ended up being true: a) either or both of Jayjay and Phagga were 3rd party AND b) I would be able to use reverse psychology on Maverick by telling him to kill me, and hoping that he would think that me wanting to sacrifice myself would be too much of a town thing to do, and instead target Jayjay and Phagga. This ties into the first assumption because if one of them were third party they would have both died, winning me the game. But that didn't happen. Yes I played pretty badly that game, but it was still fun. Thanks a ton to GreyMist for hosting | ||
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On April 06 2012 13:54 gonzaw wrote: Why did you invent a watch ability on N1 and gave it to yourself? Of all the things you could invent and give to yourself you chose that? I am horribly uncreative. | ||
Nisani201
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On April 06 2012 13:55 GreYMisT wrote: Yea at this point in the game that was pretty much your only option, you didnt have enough cred to convince the town to lynch jayjay, and even after you did they would lynch you the next day. My idea for they way you could have gotten into a good place in the final few days is this: 1. Claim to the thread you have a cool invention idea, but for balance reasons you can't say what it does or you can't invent it. 2. Name it something kickass, like the "Incendiary Ion-Depth Charge" 3. Its effect is "reveals who holds this item when its creation is announced, the item is destroyed upon its holder dying." 4. Give it to jayjay 5.Day post comes and it says Jayjay has recieved the invention..... 6. Tell jayjay in thread that he should know what to do with it. 7. Call Bullshit when he says it doesnt do anything, and pray you can lynch his ass. I considered this, but I figured that I would have got lynched anyways. I suppose it had to potential to work better than my plan though... | ||
Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On April 06 2012 14:04 gonzaw wrote: Yeah I thought he couldn't be SC because he made so many bad inventions (for him being SC) lol I mean if I was SC I would probably sacrifice myself rather than invent that Color Radiator that got 2 of your mates lynched. Make a day vig, give it to a fellow SC (if you figured out who he is) or someone you think is scum, and then try to talk your way out of it if they accuse you of not creating the CR. My plan throughout the entire game was to act as townie as possible. It would have worked if Jayjay didn't tunnel me N1. Most of the things he said against me were bullshit anyways. | ||
Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On April 06 2012 15:35 Foolishness wrote: From this I really began to resent Nisani for this whole chain of events. I brought my palm to my head and to myself I then said, "Can't he think of something better to invent?" If I made the right item would you have still thought I were scum? | ||
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